Baron Davis

[mike3]

So many Clippers fans seem to be hating on Baron, honestly i've seen like 3 full clippers games this season cause im in Aus. So i dont really see exactly how Baron plays, but from the highlights i've seen i thought he played with his heart. And the things that annoys people about Baron is his decision making and throwing up bad shots yeah? is there anything else that frustrating Clippers fans about Baron? Cause a lot of people seem to willingly let him go in the offseason.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I want to keep him.

However, there are many games when he looks disinterested. Less this 2nd year than his 1st yr with the Clips, but it happened too often.

He also allowed himself to get out of shape as the season went along. Again, better than the 1st yr, but still not very professional.

I think if the Clips get a solid free agent, like Joe Johnson or Rudy Gay (it sounds unlikely any real big game free agent will sign with the Clips) and Griffin returns and becomes a beast, then Baron would play hard every night and be a top 10 PG in the NBA again

[PlinkingPanda]

He's played a lot better this year. I think there's so much hate just due to last season. He was non-existent and didn't give a hoot. I think next year will really show what he can do since he doesn't have Dunleavy and the slow pace offense holding him back. Let's just hope we get a coach that fits with the players.

[DangerCurtis]

Hopefully the rule of 3 applies in the 10-11 season. The first two seasons with Baron have been a bust, but he'll turn it on soon.

[donemilio21]

Baron is very good when he attacks the basket for layups or dishes out assists. The problem is he takes many unnecessary shots and he missed a lot of them.
If we could get a good coach the he would respect and do whats expected of him, he can lead this team to the playoffs.

[Recently]

He has a few critical flaws, that tend to annoy me as a fan (I've probably watched around 75-77 of this seasons games)

1.) Wildly inconsistent effort. Its really obvious when he tries harder against certain teams, and other nights he seemingly disappears completely. This isn't about stats really, just the effort level noticeably fluctuates.

2.) Propensity to chuck up bad shots (when the clippers are down) which leads to the gap widening further. Everytime he pushes the ball up then takes a pull up 3 with 18+ seconds left on the shot clock makes me want to punch a kitten.

3.) Unwilling to tough out small injuries. Wasn't as bad as the 1st year, but it still showed up this year, especially near the end of the season.

That being said, he definitely improved over the 1st year (but then again he sucked REAL bad his first year) He might get even better once griffin starts playing, as Kaman isn't your typical P&R finisher

[pageC4]

Baron Davis had a good stint with the Golden State Warriors. In the 2007-2008 season he put up the following numbers: 21.8 PPG, 7.6 APG, 3P% .330. These were impressive no doubt, and most of us thought that was the production we were going to get from Baron. However, during his first year with the Clippers he averaged: 14.9 PPG, 7.7 APG, 3P% .302. On the assist category he actually got better, but on his scoring and three point percantage we saw a very drastic decline. Baron had repeatedly said things such as "I don't even know who that was." In response to his 2008-2009 season with the Clippers. Baron was clearly disapointed with his performance, and so were some of Clipper nation. Baron vowed to come back next year in better shape and more focused. What we got the following year was 15.3 PPG, 8.0 APG, and 3P% .277. His PPG average rose a mere .4 points, his assists got better by a mere .4, and his 3P% pummeled for a consecutive year to .277. Sure his offense and assists got a bit better, but they were still not the remarkable 21.8 PPG, 7.6 APG, 3P% .330 that we saw from him in his last year in golden state.
However, numbers don't tell the complete story. Baron aliented many in the Clipper fan base by talking the talk but not walking the walk.
Perhaps it's unfair for us to expect 21.8 PPG, 7.6 APG, 3P% .330. every year, which i understand is not an easy feat. What I can't understand is getting $65 million dollars for a 5 year deal when you are putting up numbers like 15.3 PPG, 8.0 APG, and 3P% .277. Some in Clipper nation are angry because Baron is earning a lucrative contract, and is clearly getting paid handsomely for what some would view as a subpar performance (at least judging by Baron Davis previous seasons with Golden State). I think we all want Baron to suceed, but whether he will is a different story. Therein lie some of the reasons why some fans don't like him

[Komodo]

If you were trading him, what would you realistically want in return?

[mj_shoefanatic]

George Hill or Nick Collison

[christianh213]

I myself don't like his game and believe he's holding the Clippers back. I really think that the Clippers would be so much better with a point guard that can create for others. Also he likes to play street ball and a team can't contend playing like that. So I say trade the guy and it actually looks like Detroit is searching for a starting caliber point guard if they don't win the lottery. This could be the Clippers chance to get rid of his horrible contract. I don't know what the Pistons can give the Clippers in return though.

[ClipperEric]

He improved a lot this year. Its mostly his conditioning and effort.

I think our best bet is to keep him.

[pageC4]

I myself don't like his game and believe he's holding the Clippers back. I really think that the Clippers would be so much better with a point guard that can create for others. Also he likes to play street ball and a team can't contend playing like that. So I say trade the guy and it actually looks like Detroit is searching for a starting caliber point guard if they don't win the lottery. This could be the Clippers chance to get rid of his horrible contract. I don't know what the Pistons can give the Clippers in return though.

Detroit is a curious trading partner, especially since they have a young guard (Rodney Stuckey) that is putting up decent numbers: PPG 16.6 RPG 3.80 APG 4.8 EFF + 14.71. I don't know if they are looking for a caliber point guard (but if they are then I wonder why they would even consider Baron Davis lol). However, there was talk about them showing interest in Chris Kaman, especially since he has ties to the state of Michigan.
If Detroit would want Baron though I would easily say trade BDiddy for Rodney Stuckey. Could you guys imagine a backcourt of Rodney Stuckey and Eric Gordon? We would be running circles around the Lakers...since we know that the young point guards give them problems (refer to what Darren collison, Russel Westbrook, and Brandon Roy have done to them in recent games). Either way if we do manage to find anyone interested in Baron we should always look for a young point guard in return that we can pair up with Eric Gordon...still I just don't see anyone wanting Baron Davis.

[glowsticks]

I think his disinterest is overblown. I mean, sure, if he tried harder then the Clippers would have a better record, but maybe at most 3-4 games better. I think it was clear to him they wouldn't be making the playoffs this year when Blake Griffin got injured. If I were a Clippers fan, I'd be pretty confident if you guys have a decent off season and Griffin has a good year, then Baron will have a good year in 2011 as well.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I myself don't like his game and believe he's holding the Clippers back. I really think that the Clippers would be so much better with a point guard that can create for others. Also he likes to play street ball and a team can't contend playing like that. So I say trade the guy and it actually looks like Detroit is searching for a starting caliber point guard if they don't win the lottery. This could be the Clippers chance to get rid of his horrible contract. I don't know what the Pistons can give the Clippers in return though.

Detroit is a curious trading partner, especially since they have a young guard (Rodney Stuckey) that is putting up decent numbers: PPG 16.6 RPG 3.80 APG 4.8 EFF + 14.71. I don't know if they are looking for a caliber point guard (but if they are then I wonder why they would even consider Baron Davis lol). However, there was talk about them showing interest in Chris Kaman, especially since he has ties to the state of Michigan.
If Detroit would want Baron though I would easily say trade BDiddy for Rodney Stuckey. Could you guys imagine a backcourt of Rodney Stuckey and Eric Gordon? We would be running circles around the Lakers...since we know that the young point guards give them problems (refer to what Darren collison, Russel Westbrook, and Brandon Roy have done to them in recent games). Either way if we do manage to find anyone interested in Baron we should always look for a young point guard in return that we can pair up with Eric Gordon...still I just don't see anyone wanting Baron Davis.

One major concern is that Stuckey may have something wrong with his heart.

Also, he is more a 2-guard in terms of mentality. Having said that, he is great dribble penetrator and good finisher

[madmaxmedia]

I don't necessarily dislike his game, but he has never been and will never be a great fundamental John Stockton-type PG. He is a very dynamic player in a open system that encourages running. OTOH you have a guy like Steve Nash, who loves to run too but is gonna play great in just about any system. Baron is not that guy.

The thing about Baron is, we were the ones who offered him that big contract. Dunleavy found talent as a GM, but assembled a Frankenstein roster that was neither here nor there- are we going to run and gun? Are we going to stress defense? Are we going to slow it down and pound teams down low? We have had some good parts in the last couple of years, but our whole has always been less than the sum of the parts.

If you're going to sign Baron to be your PG for the next 5 years, then you better know what you're getting and make sure you play to his strengths. Which is EXACTLY what we haven't done.

I think Baron can improve next year and even thrive, if we put together the right team and style around him. I like Kaman individually, but having Kaman and Baron together in a lineup makes no sense. We have some athletes now that can run, I wish we would commit to that kind of system or just dump Baron. Run and gun doesn't have to be mindless either, it can be about out-hustling your opponent, stressing defensive effort to try to force turnovers, and generally getting the other teams out of their comfort zone.

I have a feeling that Blake Griffin will play better in that type of system next year anyway, because that would take advantage of his athleticism and strength (vs. his somewhat lesser size for a PF.)

If only DeAndre Jordan were further along, he would be a good center in that type of system too. Mainly he just has to be a good consistent defender and be able to stay out of foul trouble with starter's minutes, and hustle to get boards. If he did those things, he'd get his 12 PPG on o-glass and hustle and junk plays alone.

I myself don't like his game and believe he's holding the Clippers back. I really think that the Clippers would be so much better with a point guard that can create for others. Also he likes to play street ball and a team can't contend playing like that. So I say trade the guy and it actually looks like Detroit is searching for a starting caliber point guard if they don't win the lottery. This could be the Clippers chance to get rid of his horrible contract. I don't know what the Pistons can give the Clippers in return though.