Could Yi Be on His Way Out?

[Preludepunk27]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/04/25/2010-04-25_amare_may_be_out_of_netsknicks_mix.html#ixzz0mDhgcfMV

Another potential free agent could be off the NBA market well before it even opens. And while that might be bad news for the Knicks and Nets, it could be good news for David Lee.

Suns forward Amar'e Stoudemire, a possible prime target of the Knicks and Nets this summer, has been offered a contract extension, according to Fanhouse.com, which quoted a source as saying that the two sides are "getting closer (financially) to where they should be."

Stoudemire is owed $17.6 million next season but can opt out of his contract on June 30, which seemed like a foregone conclusion earlier in the season. But the Web site reported on Friday that the Suns are now "determined" to keep Stoudemire and offered him an extension last week. If Stoudemire does re-sign with Phoenix, the Nets would likely make a strong push to sign the Knicks' Lee, which could lead to a bidding war between the two local teams.

Though the Knicks still have their sights set on LeBron James, they have already lost out on the chance to sign one of the other players they were eyeing - Marcus Camby, who re-signed with Portland last week. Potential free agent Manu Ginobili also re-signed with the Spurs earlier this season, and the Knicks and Nets had better hope the trend doesn't continue as both clubs plan to rebuild through free agency.

Stoudemire has been complimentary toward the Nets, saying in January that he saw a lot of "potential" in them just before they fell to 3-38 with a loss in Phoenix. Asked if he would ever consider playing for the Nets, Stoudemire said, "There are some teams you may say no way (to), but I don't think the Nets are one of them."

Stoudemire then made similar comments when the Suns visited the Meadowlands in March, leading some to believe that the Nets would have a good chance to sign him if he decided to leave Phoenix. But that same night, Suns general manager Steve Kerr told the Daily News that Stoudemire is "somebody I want to keep. ... We're going to try to do our best to do so."

The Nets are desperate to upgrade at power forward, where Yi Jianlian has been a disappointment. But with Yi supporter Kiki Vandeweghe, the Nets' GM, no longer coaching the team, they are more likely to phase Yi out of the starting lineup or trade him.

On a Twitter post this past week, oustspoken small forward Chris Douglas-Roberts, whose future with the team is in doubt, wrote: "I'm sorry but if I'm still a Net next year, our first option should be Amare Stoudamire. Let's be real here. He's the most REALISTIC option."

Maybe not.

[NJ To BK]

As much as I know he sucks...I wouldnt mind keeping him to keep the revenue from the chinese market.

[vincecarter4pres]

Trade him, please!

[vincecarter4pres]

As much as I know he sucks...I wouldnt mind keeping him to keep the revenue from the chinese market.

You're a share holder?

[Preludepunk27]

If we could get value, I'd be all for it. I don't even need good value. Maybe another guy who is in a rookie scale that just needs a change of scenery. I tried to get Beasley on the Nets. If we drafted Wall, and we could land Beasley/Chalmers for just Yi/CDR/future pick (Miami won't want to add another guaranteed contract this year in my opinion), I would take the chance.

With that said, I think Miami fans will not believe that is enough. I love Mario as a backup PG though. That makes Keyon expendable. We may be able to trade Keyon to a team that needs to cut some salary at that point. We may be able to get a decent player for a team that just wants to shed salary and like's Keyon's small buyout. We'd get an ok player, still have max room for a PF, and possibly even resign Keyon later in the offseason if we wanted to.

Of course I could be talking nonsense right now. I'm in an Econ grad school class so my brain is fried.

[Preludepunk27]

Question:

Again my brain is fried, but I just realized how valuable Keyon's deal can be to us right now. Do you think we could trade Keyon/Yi/CDR (maybe our 2nd rounder) for David West? NO takes a chance on Yi, get a swing man who can actually play in the NBA unlike most of theirs and get a few million in cap relief.

Trade ID #5507398

Is this me being burnt out and thinking irrationally?

That still gives cap room for a max deal. We still haven't given up Harris so we can use him in another deal if need be. We then go hard after Lebron, settle on a smaller deal for JJ if Lebron tells us to die and still have cap room to fill out the bench with role players who have good leadership qualities.

Worst case scenario:

Wall/Harris
Twill/Lee
JJ/Dallas's pick
West/Humphries
Lopez/Boone

Hell I actually don't like that roster all that much...dammit lol.

[vincecarter4pres]

That isn't even close to value for Beasley IMO. I think CDR for Chalmers straight up is fair, I actually posted that one on the trade board late last night.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1006218

Beasley for Yi and a future 1st is a joke for them though.

Yi's only real value is as an expiring or a shot in the dark prospect for a late 1st and a TPE, which I would gladly take.

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't think that is good value for West either.
If NOH blows it up, I expect them to trade West, but if they keep CP3, which they likely will, I don't think they have any intentions of trading him unless they get a young and talented forward in return, in which case most teams would just rather keep their player. Even if they blow it up and trade CP3, I still expect them to get a package of solid young talent and/or picks.
I don't know, I confuse myself when I try to come up with David West trades.
I'll try and come up with a few i think are realistic and post them here.

[Preludepunk27]

How do you feel about the trade I put in the draft thread:

Harris/Yi for Thompson/Nocioni

Again, I'm on crack right now basically. I loved Thompson coming out of college and still think he is good starter in the NBA, especially next to Brook. Nocioni is the hard-nosed defender we need on the 2nd unit who can also his the corner 3. It actually saves us between 3-4 million on that deal too. It works in the trade checker.

Trade ID #5507403

The question is would Lebron or Joe Johnson be pumped to play with Wall/Twill/Thompson/Brook. I actually don't think so. I think we'd have a better chance for Melo in 2011.

[vincecarter4pres]

I commented on that one in the other thread. I think it's a solid idea and I am not really opposed to it, I just think there will be better deals out there. I wouldn't mind if the FO did that deal though and I think Sacto would seriously consider it as well.

[Preludepunk27]

Do people think it's more realistic though that we will move Yi for probably a future protected 1st?

I'm just curious.

Maybe even just Keyon/Yi for a team willing to take a shot on Yi and looking to shed a little cap space and buyout Keyon for $500K.

[vincecarter4pres]

Do people think it's more realistic though that we will move Yi for probably a future protected 1st?

I'm just curious.

Maybe even just Keyon/Yi for a team willing to take a shot on Yi and looking to shed a little cap space and buyout Keyon for $500K.

I could see it for sure. There are a lot of teams with cap space, but not everyone is going to get their guy. All teams are required to spend 75% of their cap though, so if they don't they will be fined dollar for dollar the amount they are under. Usually these teams go out and sign questionable players to one year deals, or absorb contracts for incentive. Or a lot of times these teams overpay so-so players and get stuck with long nasty contracts, fooling themselves into thinking they did a good job, see Pistons, Detroit. Yi might be enough incentive by himself to a team like this so they just absorb him without added value. Then again, we may struggle to spend our cap space, so it might be best to keep him towards the 75% threshold.

[60cent]

Not sure why we dont have a trade talk thread. But anyways, since you guys are talking about Trades here, i would like to know your opinion about my desire to trade Harris to the Bucks for Ridnour, Mbah a Moute and maybe their 2010 1st pick. Harris is a Wisconsin guy so this will work for him as well although Jennings is their future there. I dont know where and how to include Yi here because we all know how they hated each other.

I like Ridnour as a back up because he's a very good shooter. But my main guy here is Mbah a Moute because i believe this guy is going to be a great defender. He can guard almost anybody not 7 feet high and he can score too. He's a slasher, he's good even without the ball and a hustle guy.
I know most of you are not going to like this trade because many thinks Harris is still an all-star caliber player, but in reality, he's prone to injuries, and because of that other teams will be low-balling us and we may never get the same quality in return. At least, the first round pick will be able to help us in many ways like packaging it with our other late picks for a higher draft choice.

As some of you already know me... I dont always come prepared to the trades i propose. If this trade will just make us worse money wise, please disregard this post. But if you like it and feels like it just needs some adjustments, please let me know how we can make it a better proposal. For me, i just analize the value and quality of all the players i want to be involve and i just go from there.

[deviljets7]

Not sure why we dont have a trade talk thread. But anyways, since you guys are talking about Trades here, i would like to know your opinion about my desire to trade Harris to the Bucks for Ridnour, Mbah a Moute and maybe their 2010 1st pick. Harris is a Wisconsin guy so this will work for him as well although Jennings is their future there. I dont know where and how to include Yi here because we all know how they hated each other.

I like Ridnour as a back up because he's a very good shooter. But my main guy here is Mbah a Moute because i believe this guy is going to be a great defender. He can guard almost anybody not 7 feet high and he can score too. He's a slasher, he's good even without the ball and a hustle guy.
I know most of you are not going to like this trade because many thinks Harris is still an all-star caliber player, but in reality, he's prone to injuries, and because of that other teams will be low-balling us and we may never get the same quality in return. At least, the first round pick will be able to help us in many ways like packaging it with our other late picks for a higher draft choice.

As some of you already know me... I dont always come prepared to the trades i propose. If this trade will just make us worse money wise, please disregard this post. But if you like it and feels like it just needs some adjustments, please let me know how we can make it a better proposal. For me, i just analize the value and quality of all the players i want to be involve and i just go from there.

1. Ridnour is a free agent and can't be traded so this deal isn't even legal.

2. Even if it was legal, why would the Bucks trade for another PG when they have Brandon Jennings.

[60cent]

I apologize in advance if i was not clear emphasizing my point... Im already tired and sleepy but i just want to get it out of my head before i go to sleep. For some strange reason, this trade keeps poppin' in my head the whole day while working. Lol!

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't really like it to be honest.
Ridnour is a UFA, we could just sign him outright and use Harris in a different trade.
I like Mbah a Moute, but his complete lack of an outside shot scares me and in my eyes doesn't allow him to stay on the floor for extended minutes. The pick is nice though, it's the 15th overall. Maybe if Xavier Henry was there. Maybe.
Don't know how Milwaukee would feel about it. They already have Jennings and I don't believe that Harris could play shooting guard for more then spot minutes. As far as I know Mbah is a fan favorite as well. The value is huge for them though, it's a classic buy low case, even if you don't think Harris is as good as he was in 08-09. Maybe involve a third team?
I feel like we could almost easily pick up a better or equal player then Luc with the Dallas pick, or a little higher if we moved up with say CDR, the Dallas pick and the 31st.
Maybe a guy like Paul George, Devin Ebanks or Babbit, or even Xavier Henry if he dropped a little, cause me thinks(I could be wrong, I often am) CDR, the Dallas pick and our 2nd rounder could get us all the way into the low to mid teens in a draft considered by some to be quite equal from about 12 to 30.

[halfHAVOC]

yesssssssssssssssssssss

[Aussie 2point0]

As much as I know he sucks...I wouldnt mind keeping him to keep the revenue from the chinese market.

Who needs that with the new owner coming in? I know old habits die hard lol

Time to think positive and look to the future.

[60cent]

Ok... Forget Ridnour then. Lol!

What about Mbah a Moute? Im asking because i love what he brings. Maybe there's other players we can get from them that they can include with Mbah a Moute.

I understand that Jennings is there already but Harris can be used in many ways esp. with Skiles as a coach he will bring out Harris' defensive prowess.

Btw, it doesnt really have to be Harris. I just like the idea of getting a player like Mbah a Moute. Was he a first rounder? This guy came out of college from UCLA and i didnt even noticed it. I was targeting this guy back when he was in college. Where was i?

[Rockice_8]

Yeah when I saw this wiretap IMO I was pretty happy about it and my brain imediately began to ponder some trades. Now I'm a realist and understand that the top FA's aren't making there way over here. It looks like the way to go is to follow the OKC method and get young exciting players and maintain cap flexibility another year for 2011 (Melo). I really think we have a shot at him (born in Brooklyn, only one year in Newark and a exciting young team to come to). Anyway here is what I came up with.

It all starts with Wall (obviously) he is the man I want leading this team. His vision and playmaking ablility are off the charts.

I metioned this trade a bunch before but I really think it's good for both sides
Nets Trade: Harris
Pacers Trade: 1st round pick and Ford

Second Trade:
Nets Trade: Yi and (#27)
Spurs Trade: 1st rounder (20th pick)

Nets Draft Wall 1st
at 10 (Pacer pick is about there) they take a PF which there is a few good ones who could drop to them there. (Udoh, Monroe, Whiteside, Favors) not sure who I like best but one of these guys should be there at 10.
at #20 the Nets select Alabi
2nd rounder Nets take Javis Varnado
Nets sign Anthony Morrow 4 yrs./16 per

Nets:
Wall/Ford
Lee/Morrow
T.Will/CDR
Udoh, Monroe, Whitside, Favors (whoever we take)/Varnado
Lopez/Alabi

That gives us a young core, cap flexibility, cap space to add a few vets, and room to sign Melo next year. We would alos have a ton of young pieces to S&T if we had to.

This is the way I want to go barring LBJ doesn't shock the league.