Wolves Trade.... Any Steam on this?

Buckets19 · Post #1 » by **Buckets19** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:27 am

I'm a MN fan... I really want to know if there is any interest in a Granger trade from any Pacer fans.

If we offered either a combination of Love and Flynn or Jefferson/Flynn, maybe throw in a 1st rounder if needed... Would there be any interest in trading us for Granger and TJ Ford?

Keep in mind, we have a ton of assets this summer, and cap space to eat a contract like Ford's or even Murphy's if needed.

Thoughts?

Post #2 » by **Gremz** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:56 am

I doubt that it's a logical move. We'd be left with no franchise player to build around. There may be a combination that interest management if we can net Wall or Turner, but as it stands we'd only trade Granger for a franchise talent equal to or better than he is.

Otherwise we're just going backwards, and I'm not convinced Jefferson can be a go to guy.

Post #3 » by **Grang33r** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:02 am

I do remember there was rumors floating around about a possible deal, but i don't know how much truth there was to them. I would have to assume, since we are one of the leagues joke franchises, that nobody on this squad is untouchable, especially since Danny must be getting very inpatient being a star with no help, but i would think Bird would ask for an arm and a leg. At that point, i think the T-Wolves would just laugh and hang up.

FreeRon · Post #4 » by **FreeRon** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:37 pm

How well does Jefferson play the 4? I mean, if they were seriously offering Jefferson/Flynn/1st I would think we would have to jump at that. I love Danny, but we need a point guard, Ford really doesn't want to be here, and we're weak at the 4. We still keep our pick, so even if the 1st is future or protected we could draft a SF instead of a PF, which is probably where we're looking right now. It just seems like a pretty good deal for us to me...

Starkiller · Post #5 » by **Starkiller** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:37 pm

If it's Jefferson, Flynn, and MN's 1st rounder this year I say we take it. They are looking at a top 5 and could possibly land a top three pick. Plus our top 15 pick that's a great deal. I would miss Danny for sure but that's a really nice deal.

Post #6 » by **Miller4ever** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:29 pm

I'd only do it if it's the #1 or #2 pick.

DWCP2 · Post #7 » by **DWCP2** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:34 pm

Buckets19 wrote:I'm a MN fan... I really want to know if there is any interest in a Granger trade from any Pacer fans.

If we offered either a combination of Love and Flynn or Jefferson/Flynn, maybe throw in a 1st rounder if needed... Would there be any interest in trading us for Granger and TJ Ford?

Keep in mind, we have a ton of assets this summer, and cap space to eat a contract like Ford's or even Murphy's if needed.

Thoughts?

Bud, you can throw in all three of your firsts this year for Granger and our first and you won't get anywhere near the value he has to the Pacers.

Any team looking for that one piece that will make them contenders absolutely must be willing to give up at least 3-5 years worth of young players to acquire that said player. The opposite is also true in that any team looking to rebuild but be willing to give up quality players to get the picks and everything they need to rebuild.

The Pacers should hold true to what they got unless you intend to blow them away with a can't miss offer.

MNPacersfan · Post #8 » by **MNPacersfan** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:09 pm

So wait, Danny Granger for a PG (Flynn) that has trouble handling the basketball at the speed he likes to play (so much so that his teammates are looking out for him to lose the handle) and a post player (Jefferson) that refuses to pass out of the double and triple team...

I'd take Love and Rubio for Murphy and Ford.

Starkiller · Post #9 » by **Starkiller** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:52 pm

MNPacersfan wrote:I'd take Love and Rubio for Murphy and Ford.

No kidding? Wonder why? :roll:

Post #10 » by **Grang33r** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:28 pm

MNPacersfan wrote:So wait, Danny Granger for a PG (Flynn) that has trouble handling the basketball at the speed he likes to play (so much so that his teammates are looking out for him to lose the handle) and a post player (Jefferson) that refuses to pass out of the double and triple team...

I'd take Love and Rubio for Murphy and Ford.

Yeah, Jefferson and Flynn are a terrible duo to get in any trade. First of all, didn't Jefferson just have some kind of off-court problems? Any players with off-court problems will not be coming in any kind of trade to Indiana, especially recent problems and in a deal for Danny Granger.

Second of all, Jefferson and Flynn are two of like the worst 5-10 defenders in the entire league. I honestly don't see Bird liking either guy.

MNPacersfan · Post #11 » by **MNPacersfan** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:21 pm

Grang33r wrote:Yeah, Jefferson and Flynn are a terrible duo to get in any trade. First of all, didn't Jefferson just have some kind of off-court problems? Any players with off-court problems will not be coming in any kind of trade to Indiana, especially recent problems and in a deal for Danny Granger.

Second of all, Jefferson and Flynn are two of like the worst 5-10 defenders in the entire league. I honestly don't see Bird liking either guy.

Jefferson was about 1/4 drink over the limit and was hit with a DUI and a 2 game suspension. It's not as though he punched a fan or pulled a gun outside of a strip joint.
Jefferson would be a clogger in a bad way - Hibbert is just starting to come into his post moves so I think that Jefferson would be a negative to that growth. Love would work really well with Hibbert though...
Flynn is not showing the defense that the Wolves promised the fan base. Jefferson was a defender for a while in Boston (about 20 games), but now he's a scorer and nothing else. I think that both could play defense, but that it doesn't interest them all that much...

basketballwacko2 · Post #12 » by **basketballwacko2** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:25 am

The only way I consider a deal with the T-Wolves for Danny is Danny and Ford for Flynn, Love and the Minny #1 2010.

ecuhus1981 · Post #13 » by **ecuhus1981** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:27 pm

Hey all, Nets fan here.

As an impartial 3rd party, I believe Jefferson (or Love), Flynn and Minnesota's 1st (could be #2-5) is WAY too much to ask for Danny Granger. MIN's pick could be Evan Turner, who has the earmarks of becoming a bigger star than Danny, QUICKLY. There's no way they trade that pick. You guys probably don't believe the rumors, but those Jefferson-Granger trade talks don't seem that far-fetched. Granger has an All-Star appearance to his credit, but Al is younger and plays at a position of greater need. 20-10 guys don't grow on trees (OK, he only averaged 17/9 this season, but last year, 23/11. That's major). I can understand where you're coming from, though, about Al not fitting well with Hibbert and Flynn not having a ton of value.

I've been brainstorming a 3-way deal, with Indiana, Minnesota and my New Jersey Nets. This is all spit-balling until we know the results of the NBA Draft Lottery (aka the John Wall sweepstakes), but I'd like to get your opinion of this "framework":

IND: Granger/Price for Harris/Jianlian (strengthen two positions, draft a SF with your pick)
MIN: Love for Granger (take on $7mil in capspace for a go-to perimeter scorer)
NJN: Harris/Jianlian for Love/Price (get a better fit at PF and a backup PG to Wall)

Harris would be a big boost to the backcourt, and Jr. and a lotto prospect like Al-Farouq Aminu or Gordon Hayward could fill the SF spot nicely. Jianlian would complement Roy well, and would allow the Pacers to shop Murphy if they so choose.

You may say that you need more value coming your way; from whom, and how much? The Nets would be willing to give anything EXCEPT: our 1st-round pick, Brook Lopez and Terrence Williams. The Wolves might need to give more, and if they kicked in the 1st-round pick they received from Charlotte (#16), you might snag Hayward or another SF there.

Post #14 » by **Miller4ever** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:39 pm

I like how Minny makes off like a bandit. The move makes little sense for Indy.

ecuhus1981 · Post #15 » by **ecuhus1981** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:47 pm

Miller4ever wrote:I like how Minny makes off like a bandit. The move makes little sense for Indy.

OK, so what would the Wolves have to give? As I suggested, the CHA pick (#16) would be a nice sweetener...

Boneman2 · Post #16 » by **Boneman2** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:37 pm

Granger is far more valuable than Love. This is from the least homerish perspective. In order to obtain Danny, it will cost someone out the A$$.

Besides, I only want Harris if he is available via the Nets drafting Wall. If so, then Indy offers the #10, an expiring & Rush.

Why in the hell would we want to obtain a good point guard, at the expense of our elite scorer. The key is to pair Danny with a point guard to grow with. There will be other options if Harris isn't available.

Twolves98 · Post #17 » by **Twolves98** » Thu May 13, 2010 2:52 am

I love how either you think the Twolves have a lot of assets or none (except Rubio) but really Kevin Love is 21 and is putting up 18 and 13 if he played 36 minutes a night. And he is possibly the best rebounder in the NBA.

Flynn is a rookie who was averaging about 12points 5 assists the last month of the year and when he stats getting calls he will be averaging close to 20 points. The problem with Flynn is he has as much potential as Evans or Jennings but he is not in the right offense.

Granger is good but may be a little to old for the Timberwolves. I think the timberwolves are planning on Grabing hopefully Turner and then looking to Trade Love for Favors or Cousins in some kind of trade.

Post #18 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:48 am

Oh yeah!

Boneman2 · Post #19 » by **Boneman2** » Thu May 13, 2010 5:21 am

I love how either you think the Twolves have a lot of assets or none (except Rubio) but really Kevin Love is 21 and is putting up 18 and 13 if he played 36 minutes a night. And he is possibly the best rebounder in the NBA.

Love is very good at what he does, his game is similar to David Lee or our own Troy Murphy. My point is, even though Love puts up monsterous stats, his presence alone isn't going to strike fear into opponents like a legitimate PF would ( ie. TD, Garnett, Bosh, Amare, Gasol, Howard etc...).

Love is a second tier PF, as well as nothing more than a second or third option on offense. The moment defenses start keying on him things will change.

Granger is already accustomed to double and triple teams, and he is still elite. Meaning he is a certified ringer.