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Post#1 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:50 pm

Remember last year at this time? It seemed like the entire season was just a precursor to the NFL draft. Every week it was another discussion about draft positioning and where we might end up.

This year I don't think anyone really cares.

Still, this team has some holes and I think we'll find a few more impact players, especially in the 2nd and 3rd where Thompson has seemed to make his money.

But the first round should have it's share of good ones available late, and at positions of need.

Scouts Inc.'s big board:

1. Darren McFadden* RB Arkansas 99
2. Chris Long DE Virginia 98
3. Glenn Dorsey DT LSU 98
4. Sedrick Ellis DT USC 97
5. Matt Ryan QB Boston Coll. 97
6. Jake Long OT Michigan 97
7. James Laurinaitis* ILB Ohio State 96
8. Brian Brohm QB Louisville 96
9. Vernon Gholston* DE Ohio State 95
10. Andre Woodson Jr. QB Kentucky 95
11. Malcolm Jenkins* CB Ohio State 95
12. Derrick Harvey* DE Florida 95
13. Ryan Clady* OT Boise St. 95
14. Kenny Phillips* S Miami 94
15. DeSean Jackson* WR California 94
16. Rey Maualuga* ILB USC 94
17. Calais Campbell* DE Miami 94
18. Keith Rivers OLB USC 94
19. Mike Jenkins CB S. Florida 93
20. Dan Connor OLB Penn State 93
21. Limas Sweed WR Texas 93
22. Early Doucet III WR LSU 92
23. Felix Jones* RB Arkansas 92
24. Jeffrey Otah OT Pittsburgh 92
25. Samuel Baker OT USC 91
26. Malcolm Kelly* WR Oklahoma 91
27. Aqib Talib* CB Kansas 91
28. Ali Highsmith OLB LSU 91
29. Jonathan Stewart* RB Oregon 90
30. Michael Oher OT Mississippi 90
31. Mario Manningham* WR Michigan 90
32. John Carlson TE Notre Dame 90


In terms of pressing needs I think you could say CB, OT, and possibly SLB.

Woodson and Harris will probably never again be as good as they were this season, but that doesn't mean we'll need to replace them as starters any time soon. You could make a case that Woodson was the NFL's best CB this season and I think he'll likely be very good again next year. Harris doesn't rely on speed so much as he does his hands and simply not making false steps. Barring injury, I think Woodson is here another three seasons and Harris another two.

However, despite how good Blackmon and Bush have looked at times, a legit, starting caliber CB prospect would be great to have.

I like Aqib Talib. He seems like a real good kid. Very heady and a natural leader. He's also got the size and athleticism to mimic our two starters. He's very much the opposite of Ahmad Carroll.

I think Tauscher is here one more season, then he gets replaced. Yes, he's a nice player, but I don't see Thompson giving a new deal to a 32 year old tackle. It's possible he gets extended another two seasons this offseason, but if he enters 2008 without an extension he won't be brought back in 2009.

Regardless, getting a true OT prospect to groom may be a good idea. More than that, it's probably vital. I'm not comfortable putting Colledge out there if one of either Mark or Chad go down. I think it might be a fine position for him down the line, but if we're going to be developing an OT prospect, might as well get one with the measurables.

I think there are two guys better suited to play on the right side than the left. It's a position you maybe don't want to look at in round one, but Cherlius and Baker both project to play RT early on in the NFL. If you want to go with a developmental guy, Michael Oher may be your guy. Once called the best HS LT since Ogden, he's still pretty raw and some think he's got attitude issues, but the payoff might be big.

Poppinga in my opinion is just a guy. I loved the pick when it was made to bring him in because I thought he could make a nice situational rush end, and that's actually what I think he's been most effective at (coming from the edge as a blitzer). I wish they'd bring him more often.

But I'd still like to upgrade if a good one falls into our lap. SLB isn't really a glamor position and it might be a waste to pick one up in round one, but you never know who'll drop. If one of the better MLB prospects drops and represents the best value on our board, maybe that's the way you go.

I'm a bit disappointed to see Maualuga moving up draft boards. The guy is built like a house and hits like truck. He's been #1 on my wishlist for a while. Dan Connor would be a nice consolation prize. You have to love those PSU linebackers.
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Post#2 » by BrewersGM » Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:03 am

I think the order needs to go

1. Safety......Atari is solid but im not impressed
2.CB...... like you said those two only have a little time left
3.RB.......Grant is a suprize but it only one year and not much to look at besides these last 7 or 8 games
4.OT.......we need help up the middle

I think the pack is gonna go after Briggs! yes I said it!

What really pisses me off right now is how we would have 2 1ST ROUND PICKS IF TOMPSON WOULD HAVE TRADED THAT PICK TO THE BROWNS so they could have picked up Quinn earlier. We would be sitting pretty right now......
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Post#3 » by DH34Phan » Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:21 am

This is going to be a great draft. Get a bunch of picks to fill out the roster without worrying about them needing to start or make a huge impact right away.
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Post#4 » by eagle13 » Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:13 pm

#1 need is CB. Felt that this past draft. Just b/c you draft a guy doesn't mean he's a lock to play well. The year we drafted 3 CBs in 1st 3rounds - Edwards, Vincent, McKenzie - only one panned out. So we have to begin to find 2 replacments now. Bush will NEVER be a good starter and I have serious doubts about Blackmon as a regular CB. Of our current backups maybe Tramon can develop?

#2 need - Left T. specifically left. Its the more difficult and higher paid position. Right T is easier. For example = Clifton was a 2nd pick / Tauscher was a 7th. Do not waste high pick on RT. I could see Colledge or Barbre working out at RT.

#3 need - RB - even if Grant pans out - badly need depth. Morency is nothing in ZBS. Wynn showed a little but can he stay healthy? Jackson???

#4 need - LG. Colledge isn't the guy. Depends if Coaches feel Barbre or Costin can really develop.

#5 need - reserve MLB - Popp sucks at Sam but with nickle & dime he's not on field that much. IF Barnett or HAwk go down we're screwed.

other needs -
SLB - Popp can't cover to save his life.
TE - how much does Franks have left. TE is important for Pack.
S - Rouse gives me hope for one spot - Bigby or Collins could develop.

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Post#5 » by Jollay » Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:34 pm

#1 need to me is clearly speed in the secondary, at corner. Woodson and Harris are both candidates to slide to safety in a year or two, and Rouse, Bigby, and Collins should continue to improve there.

The only other logical place to spend a #1 would be if there is a deserving young tackle, as stated.

Depth at LB is a need that can be taken care of somewhere in the 2nd-4th.

But the Packers are at a place where they can use some FA $ to improve depth at LB, or get a vet at Guard, or a young guy at Tackle.

So to me, best available regardless of position is fine, but if there's a good CB available we like first or second round, we have to take him, IMO.
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Post#6 » by SugarRay34 » Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:13 pm

I would love Talib. I just have never trusted our nickel back all season. Its been a huge liability IMO. Not only that but both Woodson and Harris are getting older and while they have proven they are still both elite CB it wont be like that forever. Talib is a guy who I think can come and be our starting nickel then in 2 years be an above average CB in the league.

Im fine with Bigby as our starting safety. This is first full season playing in the NFL and he has shown he can be a playmaker. He comes up with big plays and is an above average player against the run.

Im also fine with Poppinga right now. Hes improved a lot over the last year. Doesnt give up too many big plays. So right now for the first round I would go
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Post#7 » by Nash13/Marion31 » Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:24 am

Top Needs

1. CB - (glad we all agree on this) depth+eventual replacements needed and I don't believe that Tramon, Bush, or Blackmon will be anything more than nickel/dime backs and solid special teamers.

2. OG - between Spitz, Coston, Colledge, and Moll I think that the only true OGs are Spitz and Coston while Moll and Colledge are tackles playing guards. With Coston and Spitz as our starters I would not be surprised to see TT draft a OG on day 1 for depth/competion. I belive we are in good shape at OT with Barbre/Moll/Colledge as our backups.
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Post#8 » by Flames24Rulz » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:38 am

BrewersGM wrote:I think the order needs to go

1. Safety......Atari is solid but im not impressed
2.CB...... like you said those two only have a little time left
3.RB.......Grant is a suprize but it only one year and not much to look at besides these last 7 or 8 games
4.OT.......we need help up the middle

I think the pack is gonna go after Briggs! yes I said it!

What really pisses me off right now is how we would have 2 1ST ROUND PICKS IF TOMPSON WOULD HAVE TRADED THAT PICK TO THE BROWNS so they could have picked up Quinn earlier. We would be sitting pretty right now......


Absolutely agree with everything you said.

Briggs is a SLB, right? If so, I'd love to make a move for him. I really believe that he's the best player on that defense.
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Post#9 » by eagle13 » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:28 pm

Flames24Rulz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Absolutely agree with everything you said.

Briggs is a SLB, right? If so, I'd love to make a move for him. I really believe that he's the best player on that defense.


TT will not spend 1st round money on SLB. He doesn't rate that positiion that high. Considering player is off field 50+% of the time with nickel and dime being used more as Offenses use more multiple receiver sets - I agree with him.
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Post#10 » by DH34Phan » Thu Jan 3, 2008 8:10 am

What about Jamaal Charles? I'm not a draft guru, but does this guy look like a mid to late 1st rounder to you guys?

I could see Houston taking him at 16.
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Post#11 » by jbone » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:55 am

i got you guys all beat first 2-4 picks go CB

one starts at safety in place of bigby i dont care if he hits like a girl as long as he can cover a tight end. and the other one wait and learn behind harris and woodson. and if that actually ended up happening i would see what i could get for collins in a deal and move bigby over there just tell him to keep his eye on the RB, because it seemed when him and collins were out the together he was the one making most of the good plays in run as oppose to collins.
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Post#12 » by mnstinks » Fri Jan 4, 2008 6:27 pm

Heard a rumor that Dallas might want to trade up to get McFadden. Seems like a long way to climb to get to number 1.

Anywho...If they did I wouldn't might the Packers picking up Barber.
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Post#13 » by SugarRay34 » Fri Jan 4, 2008 8:05 pm

No way Dallas would trade up to get McFadden. Barber has proved he can be a very good RB in this league. I think they lose Jones after this year but that gives Barber full time duties at #1. No need for McFadden. I dont even think McFadden goes #1. I think Parcells will build that defense first and that means Glenn Dorsey will be a Dolphin
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Post#14 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jan 4, 2008 8:05 pm

I doubt they'd have to get all the way up to #1. Just like Peterson fell to #7, McFadden will likely fall to that #4-#7 range.
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Post#15 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jan 4, 2008 8:08 pm

SugarRay34 wrote:No way Dallas would trade up to get McFadden. Barber has proved he can be a very good RB in this league. I think they lose Jones after this year but that gives Barber full time duties at #1. No need for McFadden. I dont even think McFadden goes #1. I think Parcells will build that defense first and that means Glenn Dorsey will be a Dolphin


I think the 'Phins will do everything in their power to move down, but if they don't I think they go Chris Long over Dorsey.
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Post#16 » by aaprigs311 » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:06 am

jbone wrote:i got you guys all beat first 2-4 picks go CB

one starts at safety in place of bigby i dont care if he hits like a girl as long as he can cover a tight end. and the other one wait and learn behind harris and woodson. and if that actually ended up happening i would see what i could get for collins in a deal and move bigby over there just tell him to keep his eye on the RB, because it seemed when him and collins were out the together he was the one making most of the good plays in run as oppose to collins.


...i dont think they'll draft a safety early at all. bigby has been just good enough and if tt invested a third rounder in rouse then that should mean he'll probably be part of the future, and he's done nothing but make plays. once he learns how to become a better tackler i think he's a legit. another reason they won't draft is a safety is because woodson will be playin safety in a couple years once he loses a little speed. our focus should be finding a nickelback and our starting corner of the future. i love aqib talib from kansas, he'd be perfect up here. if not corner in the first we gotta address the o-line. tauscher and clifton aren't gettin any younger and our guards are inconsistant. gonna need a back up TE too. bubba's gonna have to find a new job. i'd suggest a bouncer or a bartender at the bar or anduzzi's because that's where he spends most of his time anyways.
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Post#17 » by mnstinks » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:42 pm

The draft just got a little deeper...

UM's Adrian Arrington and Mario Manningham to go pro.

And fwiw Ryan Mallet will transfer
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Post#18 » by notoriousTJ11 » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:32 pm

mnstinks wrote:And fwiw Ryan Mallet will transfer


That'd be sweet if he decided he wanted to stick it to Michigan and joined the Badgers , though being a Badger QB has never been a real dream for most top QB's
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Post#19 » by SugarRay34 » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:35 pm

Hes going to UCLA I believe
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Post#20 » by notoriousTJ11 » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:41 pm

Looks like Tennessee actually

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