ESPN BS Report rumour: Bosh for Bynum already done?

[Reignman]

I really have a hard time imagining LA wanting a Bosh/Gasol front court and rarely do teams acquire this much on a sign and trade but IF we were able to get Bynum for Bosh, well, that's about as good a realistic deal as any of us could have ever hoped to get. I for one would be ecstatic.

If you think about it, the biggest reason a Bosh/Bargs pairing has not worked is because we haven't had the SG to properly balance things out and make the best of 2 dynamic forwards. Kobe is pretty much the best in the game today, so LA could essentially do what Toronto wanted to, not just in terms of concept, but also in terms of player value. Kobe+Gasol+Bosh is elite in every sense.

Bosh on the Lakers would be a defensive force, mark my words. He has the IQ / ability and they have the system and offensive support for it to fit like a glove. The "Bosh doesn't play D" crowd would eat a lot of crow if he went to that team.

...and the Bosh jocksniffer shows up on cue. Your soccer playing sidekick should be along any minute now.

You can't predict that any more than anyone else can predict Bynum would make the all-defensive team - but one is a whole lot closer to being a reality based on past play defensive play. I'll let you guess which one.

You don't watch basketball do you? Be honest, almost everything you say is wrong and it's hilarious. Bosh has demonstrated the ability to play very good defense not only at the NBA level (rookie season and sophmore season) but also on the international stage (Olympics) where he was the best front court defender on a team stacked with stars. Even in clutch scenarios in recent seasons Bosh has played amazing defense (you probably didn't notice) coming up with monster plays.

Now why don't you come and tell me how Bynum has demonstrated to be the better defender.

At least I'm a fan of very good players. You're a Bargnani fanboy, that tells me everything I need to know about you. You wouldn't recognize a good player even if you were watching the 1985 all-star game, LOL.

[Reignman]

The Bosh that LA will get will be the Team USA Bosh. He'll be chasing point guards around off screens and appearing to play D but not doing much to help his team.

Yeah, defending the pick n roll isn't important in the NBA right? You must not think KG is a good defender either.

This ish gets funnier and funnier.

[Hypz]

Wow...27 pages of discussion on a unsubstatiated rumour.

[Reignman]

Put Bosh in LA's starting lineup and he won't get nearly the rebounds he gets now. That doesn't even account for him playing far less minutes.

You put Bynum on our team and he makes the all defensive team and is a top 5 rebounder.

Bosh on the Lakers would be a defensive force, mark my words. He has the IQ / ability and they have the system and offensive support for it to fit like a glove. The "Bosh doesn't play D" crowd would eat a lot of crow if he went to that team.

Bynum is not the better "basketball" player under any measure. If you had said Bynum has the potential to be the better basketball player down the road I may have agreed but you said Bynum is the better basketball player...wrong.

I have trashed Boshs defense several times on this board. Why would I have to eat crow if Bosh went to the lakers to be option #2b (resulting in him focusing more on playing good D)?. Seriously, our team is one of the better offensive teams in the league and one of worst defensive teams. yet bosh still makes no effort on defense (he wants his #'s).
I dont care if Bosh is capable of playing good D as a result of him becoming a secondary offensive option. On our team bosh will never be option 2b.

I can guarentee you one thing though, Bosh would never be a "defensive force." He might play better defense than he has here (wouldnt be hard to improve on that) but he will never be a defensive force in this league.[/quote]

Our team is a good offensive team BECAUSE OF BOSH. You think bums like Bargnani, Calderon and Hedo could do jack all if Bosh wasnt' the one drawing ALL the attention of the defense? The best offensive player Bosh has played next to in the last 5 years has been Mike James.

Keep bringing it, I'm having a ton of fun right now.

[raps4life~]

I really have a hard time imagining LA wanting a Bosh/Gasol front court and rarely do teams acquire this much on a sign and trade but IF we were able to get Bynum for Bosh, well, that's about as good a realistic deal as any of us could have ever hoped to get. I for one would be ecstatic.

If you think about it, the biggest reason a Bosh/Bargs pairing has not worked is because we haven't had the SG to properly balance things out and make the best of 2 dynamic forwards. Kobe is pretty much the best in the game today, so LA could essentially do what Toronto wanted to, not just in terms of concept, but also in terms of player value. Kobe+Gasol+Bosh is elite in every sense.

Bosh on the Lakers would be a defensive force, mark my words. He has the IQ / ability and they have the system and offensive support for it to fit like a glove. The "Bosh doesn't play D" crowd would eat a lot of crow if he went to that team.

...and the Bosh jocksniffer shows up on cue. Your soccer playing sidekick should be along any minute now.

You can't predict that any more than anyone else can predict Bynum would make the all-defensive team - but one is a whole lot closer to being a reality based on past play defensive play. I'll let you guess which one.

You don't watch basketball do you? Be honest, almost everything you say is wrong and it's hilarious. Bosh has demonstrated the ability to play very good defense not only at the NBA level (rookie season and sophmore season) but also on the international stage (Olympics) where he was the best front court defender on a team stacked with stars. Even in clutch scenarios in recent seasons Bosh has played amazing defense (you probably didn't notice) coming up with monster plays.

Now why don't you come and tell me how Bynum has demonstrated to be the better defender.

At least I'm a fan of very good players. You're a Bargnani fanboy, that tells me everything I need to know about you. You wouldn't recognize a good player even if you were watching the 1985 all-star game, LOL.

Playing 1 minute of good defense does not make you a good defensive player, nor does it show that he has the ability to play 48 minutes of good defense.

Bosh playing good defense in the Olympics because that's all he could do. He will NEVER be in that situation in his NBA career. He will always be looked as at a high scorer, elite offense guy and because of this his defense will suffer.

If Bosh were like the 8th option on offense, then yes he would focus all of his time on defense. But even on the Lakers Bosh would be a #1 or #2 guy (yes, Kobe is falling off).


Basically using the Olympics to prove that bosh can be good defensively doesn't make any sense because he would never play that type of role on an NBA team.

[Reignman]

Bosh on the Lakers would be a defensive force, mark my words. He has the IQ / ability and they have the system and offensive support for it to fit like a glove. The "Bosh doesn't play D" crowd would eat a lot of crow if he went to that team.

Bynum is not the better "basketball" player under any measure. If you had said Bynum has the potential to be the better basketball player down the road I may have agreed but you said Bynum is the better basketball player...wrong.

I counter with Bosh on the Lakers, his stats will drop and his D isn't good enough to justify a max contract and he will most likely be critized for it.

Bosh gets his points in Toronto off of ISO's primarily and doesn't take all that many shots. In LA he would still get his ISO opportunities because Phil isn't a moron although not as many; however, he's get to play off the ball due to Kobe and that would mean his efficiency might actually go up considering others would be drawing the help. Add that to my projection that his D would improve drastically on the Lakers and you'd see a much better overall player.

[Undefeated]

LOL are people seriously questioning Bosh’s defensive ability playing with the Lakers?
If anything, Bosh will be a phenomenal defender playing for the Lakers. People are seriously underrating Bosh’s ability to help out on defense. If you look at the Bosh even right now playing with some defensively challenged players, he always at the place at the right time to contest shots. Now, just imagine Bosh on the Lakers with Kobe and Artest. Seriously.

[Reignman]

LOL are people seriously questioning Bosh’s defensive ability playing with the Lakers?
If anything, Bosh will be a phenomenal defender playing for the Lakers. People are seriously underrating Bosh’s ability to help out on defense. If you look at the Bosh even right now playing with some defensively challenged players, he always at the place at the right time to contest shots. Now, just imagine Bosh on the Lakers with Kobe and Artest. Seriously.

I'm glad others can find the humour in this as much as I am.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

Bosh gets his points in Toronto off of ISO's primarily and doesn't take all that many shots. In LA he would still get his ISO opportunities because Phil isn't a moron although not as many; however, he's get to play off the ball due to Kobe and that would mean his efficiency might actually go up considering others would be drawing the help. Add that to my projection that his D would improve drastically on the Lakers and you'd see a much better overall player.

I actually think Bosh's size and game is taylor made for the triangle offense. He'd setup primarily in the weak-side high post where he is always a threat to hit that jumper or drive the lane and the spacing that offense offers would open up the floor for him much more than the sets that are run for him on the Raps.

[garbagnani]

Our team is a good offensive team BECAUSE OF BOSH. You think bums like Bargnani, Calderon and Hedo could do jack all if Bosh wasnt' the one drawing ALL the attention of the defense? The best offensive player Bosh has played next to in the last 5 years has been Mike James.

Keep bringing it, I'm having a ton of fun right now.

We are a good offensive team because of Bosh. Unfortunately WE ARE ALSO A HORRIBLE DEFENSIVE TEAM because of Bosh too (not just him ,but a big part of it).

[NBA Sheady]

The Bosh that LA will get will be the Team USA Bosh. He'll be chasing point guards around off screens and appearing to play D but not doing much to help his team.

Yeah, defending the pick n roll isn't important in the NBA right? You must not think KG is a good defender either.

This ish gets funnier and funnier.

I'd read & respond to your posts if you could correspond like an adult.

[Mattd97]

cant wait for 2 years when this board is bargs v bynum, and everyone here bashing bosh and loving bynum will be bashing bynum and loving player X. this is a rerun.

[Reignman]

The Bosh that LA will get will be the Team USA Bosh. He'll be chasing point guards around off screens and appearing to play D but not doing much to help his team.

Yeah, defending the pick n roll isn't important in the NBA right? You must not think KG is a good defender either.

This ish gets funnier and funnier.

I'd read & respond to your posts if you could correspond like an adult.

You think Bosh's defense in the Olympics was about "chasing point guards around off screens and appearing to play D but not doing much to help his team" and you think I can't respond like an adult.

Funny.

[itbobby007]

Reignman, kool your jets please.

[Reignman]

Our team is a good offensive team BECAUSE OF BOSH. You think bums like Bargnani, Calderon and Hedo could do jack all if Bosh wasnt' the one drawing ALL the attention of the defense? The best offensive player Bosh has played next to in the last 5 years has been Mike James.

Keep bringing it, I'm having a ton of fun right now.

We are a good offensive team because of Bosh. Unfortunately WE ARE ALSO A HORRIBLE DEFENSIVE TEAM because of Bosh too (not just him ,but a big part of it).

Bosh isn't one of the great two-way players like Kobe / LBJ / Wade / Duncan, so when he's the #1 offensive option on a team his defense will suffer because of it.

Now you take a look at our starting lineup to start the season of Jose/DD/Hedo/Bosh/Bargs where Bosh is the best defender of the lot and you think he's a "big part" of our defensive woes?

No, a big part of our defensive issue is caused by 3 starters who make close to $30 mil combined that barely play any defense and a 20 year old rookie.

[raps4life~]

Reignman, why don't you get rid of that "lulz" attitude and people may start taking you seriously. I swear, you've told us you've been laughing like 200 times in this thread.

[Wasp]

^
given his history of injuries,and at such a young age too, I would rather trade with Houston and do a proper rebuild

IMO, a proper rebuild isn't stacking up mediocre young talent and mid 1st round picks. Adding a potential franchise C who is 22 years old for a player who will leave anyway is about as great a way to start a rebuild as I could ever imagine.

God I hope this is true.

[wtcantfw]

Bosh gets his points in Toronto off of ISO's primarily and doesn't take all that many shots. In LA he would still get his ISO opportunities because Phil isn't a moron although not as many; however, he's get to play off the ball due to Kobe and that would mean his efficiency might actually go up considering others would be drawing the help. Add that to my projection that his D would improve drastically on the Lakers and you'd see a much better overall player.

I actually think Bosh's size and game is taylor made for the triangle offense. He'd setup primarily in the weak-side high post where he is always a threat to hit that jumper or drive the lane and the spacing that offense offers would open up the floor for him much more than the sets that are run for him on the Raps.

Not so sure Bosh's game fits well with the triangle offense. Throughout his time in Toronto, he's pretty much been an iso-ball stopper. The triangle offense is predicated on ball movement and reacting to what's going on on the court.

[Reignman]

...and the Bosh jocksniffer shows up on cue. Your soccer playing sidekick should be along any minute now.

You can't predict that any more than anyone else can predict Bynum would make the all-defensive team - but one is a whole lot closer to being a reality based on past play defensive play. I'll let you guess which one.

You don't watch basketball do you? Be honest, almost everything you say is wrong and it's hilarious. Bosh has demonstrated the ability to play very good defense not only at the NBA level (rookie season and sophmore season) but also on the international stage (Olympics) where he was the best front court defender on a team stacked with stars. Even in clutch scenarios in recent seasons Bosh has played amazing defense (you probably didn't notice) coming up with monster plays.

Now why don't you come and tell me how Bynum has demonstrated to be the better defender.

At least I'm a fan of very good players. You're a Bargnani fanboy, that tells me everything I need to know about you. You wouldn't recognize a good player even if you were watching the 1985 all-star game, LOL.

Playing 1 minute of good defense does not make you a good defensive player, nor does it show that he has the ability to play 48 minutes of good defense.

Bosh playing good defense in the Olympics because that's all he could do. He will NEVER be in that situation in his NBA career. He will always be looked as at a high scorer, elite offense guy and because of this his defense will suffer.

If Bosh were like the 8th option on offense, then yes he would focus all of his time on defense. But even on the Lakers Bosh would be a #1 or #2 guy (yes, Kobe is falling off).


Basically using the Olympics to prove that bosh can be good defensively doesn't make any sense because he would never play that type of role on an NBA team.

You should check how many points Bosh averaged on that Olympic team. He wasn't the 8th option as you put it.

And if you play close attention Bosh knows exactly where to be on D almost all the time. His issue is that he's not aggressive enough when he gets there because he's scared of picking up fouls. I don't blame him considering what we've seen when he's not on the court. Secondly, Bosh plays very fundamentally when it comes to closing out on shooters. He stays low and doesn't bite on pump fakes which is why he always seems a second late on block opportunities. I wish he'd just swat people sometimes but that would require him to cheat in which case he'd probably lose more than he'd win.

[Reignman]

Reignman, why don't you get rid of that "lulz" attitude and people may start taking you seriously. I swear, you've told us you've been laughing like 200 times in this thread.

Considering you guys have me laughing through the last couple of pages what do you expect? How about this, put me on ignore. There's a reason that feature is available and quite frankly I'd prefer if you didn't respond to my posts.