Whats is the real issue with the Hawks

[geeman]

Is it ownership? I will ge the GM a pass ( he's made some good moves) Is it time for a change with the coaching staft ( they just can't seem to may in game ajustments) Is it the mental makup for are team? Or is it the lack of a real front line PG ( we seen the jump we had when we got Bibby, but physical he just can not do it anymore. I'm real dissapointed with our team, but it my team! I beleave we have good players ( josh, Al, Teague) but Joe IS NOT A MAX GUY! NOT AT 28! and we may have to tak a step back, because we're not going get pass the second round with this team the way we're built.

[ATL DirtyBird]

Woody has to go. Once that happens, JJ leaves. Once JJ leaves, this team sucks. Its been fun making the playoffs for 3 years, but that time will come to an end if JJ leaves.

[Diggr14]

Having watched the last 6 games very carefully, I'd say that you guys are right that you need an overhaul at coach. The ISO-heavy offense is garbage. Any good defensive team such as the Bucks will wreck that simplistic kind of O.

From a talent perspective, your team looks great on paper. However, there are 2 facets to the game. Offense and Defense.

Mike Bibby has been relegated to an outside shooter. The fact that he cant take advantage of a 20 year old kid that is 165 soaking wet is sad. He has modest speed, cant really create like he used to. Teague is definitely your guy moving forward.

Joe Johnson - quality player. Really have nothing bad to say about the guy. But like Michael Redd of yesteryear... it seems once the ball goes to him, it's not coming back. That can be great if he is on fire.... but the iso-game just hasnt worked because other players are not getting involved.

Josh Smith - This guy is the epitome of overrated. Offensively, if you stop him from going left and keep him on the perimeter he is very harmless. Yes, he is a highlight reel dunk waiting to happen... but it is 2 points. In the grand scope of things, in the playoffs.. defenses kill players like this. His defense is predicated on helping out backside and getting a cheap block by leaving his guy and going to the ball. Yes, he can disrupt some shots.. but he's leaving Bucks players wide open in the corner for 3 all game. And frankly, it's killing you guys.

Marvin Williams - The word bust comes to mind. While he does show flashes of being a guy that could put it together, he is one of those guys that looks the part... but just is not the answer. He is a true paper tiger.

Al Horford - god, i love this guy. If he would be a little bit tougher underneath he'd be a beast. Really, if he develops more toughness, he could be a barkley-lite type of player. I think he will be your best player when things are said and done.

Good Luck tonight, I hope we win.. but, I wish no ill will on your squad. It's been a fun series.

[God Squad]

I love your team too. But agreed something is missing. I'm guessing Coaching? But the hawks need to turn it up. Or this is an upset waiting to happen.

^^^^^ Plus 1

[evildallas]

Having watched the last 6 games very carefully, I'd say that you guys are right that you need an overhaul at coach. The ISO-heavy offense is garbage. Any good defensive team such as the Bucks will wreck that simplistic kind of O.

From a talent perspective, your team looks great on paper. However, there are 2 facets to the game. Offense and Defense.

Mike Bibby has been relegated to an outside shooter. The fact that he cant take advantage of a 20 year old kid that is 165 soaking wet is sad. He has modest speed, cant really create like he used to. Teague is definitely your guy moving forward.

Joe Johnson - quality player. Really have nothing bad to say about the guy. But like Michael Redd of yesteryear... it seems once the ball goes to him, it's not coming back. That can be great if he is on fire.... but the iso-game just hasnt worked because other players are not getting involved.

Josh Smith - This guy is the epitome of overrated. Offensively, if you stop him from going left and keep him on the perimeter he is very harmless. Yes, he is a highlight reel dunk waiting to happen... but it is 2 points. In the grand scope of things, in the playoffs.. defenses kill players like this. His defense is predicated on helping out backside and getting a cheap block by leaving his guy and going to the ball. Yes, he can disrupt some shots.. but he's leaving Bucks players wide open in the corner for 3 all game. And frankly, it's killing you guys.

Marvin Williams - The word bust comes to mind. While he does show flashes of being a guy that could put it together, he is one of those guys that looks the part... but just is not the answer. He is a true paper tiger.

Al Horford - god, i love this guy. If he would be a little bit tougher underneath he'd be a beast. Really, if he develops more toughness, he could be a barkley-lite type of player. I think he will be your best player when things are said and done.

Good Luck tonight, I hope we win.. but, I wish no ill will on your squad. It's been a fun series.

Thanks for the analysis. I appreciate when a fan of another team gives honest analysis after a series. I can't really argue with your observations, but I would withhold final judgment until I see the players in a different system with a different coach.

For instance, in certain offensive sets Josh stays outside while Joe or Jamal dribbles. The theory is they are spreading the court to give Joe (or Jamal) space to create. I've never been certain if it was by design or Josh's choice. The truth is he should be fighting for space on the block because the odds that one of our guys penetrates all the way to the hoop is slim anyway. When he's spacing the floor he is right where the defense wants him (out of shooting range and away from the boards). You are right about him getting shut down with D (Luc has shown this), but is that because our system is to create one on one period even with the bigs? The drives he made on Delfino just aren't as easy with Luc and if he did fight him for better position I'm not sure the Hawks could get the ball into him as we have been known to have problems passing the ball on the perimeter against an active defense. Your defensive critique has some truth in it. He does tend to wander try to make the flashy play over the solid play. A lot of the time he's switched several times and is out on Jennings by the time the ball goes to the corner.

I feel better about Jeff Teague if he played more during the year and I'd like to see him in a different offense. He's an unknown and Woodson wouldn't use him even if he is the only one fast enough to stay near Jennings. Like Beaubouis in Dallas by the time the coach admits the obvious it was too late.

Marvin - I wish I could defend, but I can't.

Joe - The system run here is structured to highlight Joe. I don't know if it is the system, lack of trust in his teammates, or concern about being the man in a contract year, but Joe is stopping the ball and playing one on five too much.

[Hawkeyes]

Having watched the last 6 games very carefully, I'd say that you guys are right that you need an overhaul at coach. The ISO-heavy offense is garbage. Any good defensive team such as the Bucks will wreck that simplistic kind of O.

From a talent perspective, your team looks great on paper. However, there are 2 facets to the game. Offense and Defense.

Mike Bibby has been relegated to an outside shooter. The fact that he cant take advantage of a 20 year old kid that is 165 soaking wet is sad. He has modest speed, cant really create like he used to. Teague is definitely your guy moving forward.

Joe Johnson - quality player. Really have nothing bad to say about the guy. But like Michael Redd of yesteryear... it seems once the ball goes to him, it's not coming back. That can be great if he is on fire.... but the iso-game just hasnt worked because other players are not getting involved.

Josh Smith - This guy is the epitome of overrated. Offensively, if you stop him from going left and keep him on the perimeter he is very harmless. Yes, he is a highlight reel dunk waiting to happen... but it is 2 points. In the grand scope of things, in the playoffs.. defenses kill players like this. His defense is predicated on helping out backside and getting a cheap block by leaving his guy and going to the ball. Yes, he can disrupt some shots.. but he's leaving Bucks players wide open in the corner for 3 all game. And frankly, it's killing you guys.

Marvin Williams - The word bust comes to mind. While he does show flashes of being a guy that could put it together, he is one of those guys that looks the part... but just is not the answer. He is a true paper tiger.

Al Horford - god, i love this guy. If he would be a little bit tougher underneath he'd be a beast. Really, if he develops more toughness, he could be a barkley-lite type of player. I think he will be your best player when things are said and done.

Good Luck tonight, I hope we win.. but, I wish no ill will on your squad. It's been a fun series.

Love the analysis. I honestly can't find anything wrong with it.

[parson]

Woody has to go. Once that happens, JJ leaves. Once JJ leaves, this team sucks. Its been fun making the playoffs for 3 years, but that time will come to an end if JJ leaves.

(1) I'm not sure Joe leaves if Woodson's not here.
(2) If he does, we will not suck, although we will take 2 steps back.

The question becomes whether we'd be better off:
: with Joe and financially handcuffed the rest of his career.
: or with the better bench we'd be able to afford without Joe.

I don't think that's an easy question to answer. Truth is, we'll probably curse Sund either way he goes.