Houston readying full-court press for Bosh

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Plus, and don't think players discount this, Houston won championships while Bosh was alive. I know it was a long time ago but legacy still counts for something in the minds of athletes when they're choosing colleges, franchises, etc. Do you think KG and Ray Allen agreed to pair up with Paul Pierce simply because they thought he was a good guy and a good player? I bet if he was playing in Memphis at the time things might have been a little different. I'd wager that the Celtics past history and winning brand played a larger role than many realize.

When Houston rolls out the red carpet for Bosh and he sees Houston's NBA championship trophies behind glass... all lit up... it'll leave an impression. And when they tell him that they think he's their missing piece to bringing championships back to Houston he'll listen even more intently.

If this is true, he must be dying to go to the Lakers. Come on, Bynum.

[kingmalaki]

You guys seem to be asking for a lot. I mean, I know most trade options aren't really equal value for a player of Bosh's caliber, but he is a free agent with tons of suitors/options, so you're not going to be able to get a full return for him. If he chooses to come to Houston then I'm pretty sure Morey isn't going to give you guys two young prospects (like Hill/Chase/Lull) and multiple draft picks. That's just really overpaying. The closest scenario that I can think of are Joe Johnson and Rashard Lewis. Johnson was a restricted free agent and there weren't tons of teams with cap room to sign him, and all Phoenix could get back was Diaw, a TE and two #1's. When Lewis went to Orlando all Seattle got back was a 2nd rounder and a $9M TE, and I believe there were only around 2 teams with the cap space to sign him that summer. Hill and Chase are decent young prospects (not great but ok) and Lull is one of the best international prospects. The Knicks picks may be great or horrible depending on who they sign this summer. I'm really not seeing how you guys can expect to get two of those prospects AND muptiple picks for a guy who can walk, especially when the only other options are to send him in conference (unless that Bynum rumor is legit, which trumps all offers if Bosh wants LA).

Has anyone ever received a bunch of prospects/picks in a sign-n-trade deal, especially when the free agent has so many options available? I don't think so but would love to hear some examples.

[dacrusha]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16126

Interesting article. In it, the author suggests that Brooks can be had if that's what it takes for Bosh to come over to Houston. If we can get Brooks, Kevin Martin and draft picks, I will pack Bosh's bags for him. The article also hints that Toronto is still Bosh's first choice, but I find that hard to believe...

Hoopsworld is hoopsworld, but yeah, why can't we at least get Brooks? You'd think that the best PF(top three, at least) in the league is worth at least a young prospect. I would be willing to take one less pick if it came to that, but established talent on a rookie deal's always better a mid-level pick.

If Bosh was under contract, sure.

But being an unrestricted FA on July 1st makes for a markedly different scenario.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16126

Interesting article. In it, the author suggests that Brooks can be had if that's what it takes for Bosh to come over to Houston. If we can get Brooks, Kevin Martin and draft picks, I will pack Bosh's bags for him. The article also hints that Toronto is still Bosh's first choice, but I find that hard to believe...

Hoopsworld is hoopsworld, but yeah, why can't we at least get Brooks? You'd think that the best PF(top three, at least) in the league is worth at least a young prospect. I would be willing to take one less pick if it came to that, but established talent on a rookie deal's always better a mid-level pick.

If Bosh was under contract, sure.

But being an unrestricted FA on July 1st makes for a markedly different scenario.

Not for Houston. If Bosh goes there, it's after signing a contract with us.(S&T)

[power works]

IF Bosh does decide to leave (I'm still not convinced), then these are the type of teams that the Raps would love to hear from.

The type that can't sign him outright and are forced to make a deal with BC.

Selling Bosh on playing with Yao is pretty thin and to the critical eye borders on desperation.

How exactly are the Rockets gonna assure Bosh Yao is healthy?!

Show him the latest X-rays.

Now that the Rockets prime FA target is out in the open, I sure hope CHI, MIA, NY, LA.....etc....are paying attention.

[elitehunter99]

I want:

Battier
Hill
Jeffries
2 picks

This!

Use the pick we have on a C, trade Calderon + expiring (banks, jeffries, reggie evans) for a legit (maybe overpaid) disgruntled swingman, Iguodala?

2010 pick/Bargnani/Battier/Iguodala/Jack
Bench
Hill/Amir/Turkoglu/Derozan or Weems

[AkelaLoneWolf]

You guys seem to be asking for a lot. I mean, I know most trade options aren't really equal value for a player of Bosh's caliber, but he is a free agent with tons of suitors/options, so you're not going to be able to get a full return for him. If he chooses to come to Houston then I'm pretty sure Morey isn't going to give you guys two young prospects (like Hill/Chase/Lull) and multiple draft picks. That's just really overpaying. The closest scenario that I can think of are Joe Johnson and Rashard Lewis. Johnson was a restricted free agent and there weren't tons of teams with cap room to sign him, and all Phoenix could get back was Diaw, a TE and two #1's. When Lewis went to Orlando all Seattle got back was a 2nd rounder and a $9M TE, and I believe there were only around 2 teams with the cap space to sign him that summer. Hill and Chase are decent young prospects (not great but ok) and Lull is one of the best international prospects. The Knicks picks may be great or horrible depending on who they sign this summer. I'm really not seeing how you guys can expect to get two of those prospects AND muptiple picks for a guy who can walk, especially when the only other options are to send him in conference (unless that Bynum rumor is legit, which trumps all offers if Bosh wants LA).

Has anyone ever received a bunch of prospects/picks in a sign-n-trade deal, especially when the free agent has so many options available? I don't think so but would love to hear some examples.

Except the situation is different here. We're willing to sign and keep Bosh for the max(presumably). Those other teams weren't. The biggest reason they did teh S&T is to get something back instead of nothing. I believe both Atlanta and Orlando had the capspace to sign those players while Houston doesn't. Not to mention that nobody of Bosh's caliber has ever been S&T before, so no one really knows what the return would be.

[dacrusha]

Hoopsworld is hoopsworld, but yeah, why can't we at least get Brooks? You'd think that the best PF(top three, at least) in the league is worth at least a young prospect. I would be willing to take one less pick if it came to that, but established talent on a rookie deal's always better a mid-level pick.

If Bosh was under contract, sure.

But being an unrestricted FA on July 1st makes for a markedly different scenario.

Not for Houston. If Bosh goes there, it's after signing a contract with us.(S&T)

If Bosh narrows Houston down as his only preference, then the Rockets will offer nothing but crap to match what needs to go out to the Raptors.

[Skeebs]

Thats when BC hangs up the phone and says sorry CB houston is not a possibility for you.

[dacrusha]

Thats when BC hangs up the phone and says sorry CB houston is not a possibility for you.

And then Bosh signs for 5 and $100 million and then another extension 3 years from now.

And BC resigns in shame.

And MLSE celebrates with a $17 million savings.

[hoop_head]

But if Bosh wants Houston, and Houston's offer is very thin, BC can just say no. For the amount of money Bosh wants, BC has to get something substantial for the Raptors. If he can't negotiate a mutually-beneficial deal, don't give Bosh his deal. BC needs to grow a set for these negotiations, and not try to be Bosh's friend.

[fame]

I have a feeling that there going to be offering us a package centered around Aaron Brooks, and will be willing to take back Calderon as well.

Think about it, if everything about the rumour is true. Morey has been focusing on obtaining Bosh in the near future for awhile. If he is really going to put in a full court press and be aggressive, then he'll want to offer a solid package to obtain him.

Aaron Brooks was pretty much there scorer, they aquired Kevin Martin at the deadline who pretty much fills that role. They aquire Bosh and Yao comes back there won't be enough balls to go around. Yao, Bosh, Martin, Brooks are all roughly 20 ppg scorers. A facilitator like Jose would be perfect in that lineup. There won't be too much pressure on him, and he has so many weapons to work with. I think he would fit that team better than Brooks would.

Jose Calderon
Kevin Martin
Trever Ariza
Chris Bosh
Yao Ming

A little bit of everything in that lineup

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If Bosh narrows Houston down as his only preference, then the Rockets will offer nothing but crap to match what needs to go out to the Raptors.

BC doesn't have to trade Bosh to Houston & Houston has no way to sign outright. I don't think Morey will want to lose out by trying to play hardball.

He has a chance to attain a top 10 player, local talent, good character guy locked up for 6 years. That is an opportunity that comes along every 10 years or so.

Battier
Jeffries
Chase or Hill
2 first rounders

Is very good value to give away for a player like Bosh. It's still a bargain. If Morey misses out on this deal, he will have screwed a massive opportunity to take the Rockets to the next level.

[Skeebs]

Thats when BC hangs up the phone and says sorry CB houston is not a possibility for you.

And then Bosh signs for 5 and $100 million and then another extension 3 years from now.

And BC resigns in shame.

And MLSE celebrates with a $17 million savings.

No, I dont think you get it. He CANT sign in houston so he would have to sign with either NY CHI MIA for only 5 years 100 mil and that would put him below his MAX DEAL peers. This summer is the ENTIRE reason bosh extended for 3 years and not 5 like melo. He wanted to get the most money before the new CBA.

Your argument of re upping in 3 years doesnt make sense because the new cba will decrease what a max deal is substantially. It will go from 6 years to 5 years and im pretty sure the %s drop as well as an expected lower cap all means a S&T is most likely.

Bosh will not bite the hand that feeds him just to spite BC because he cant go to houston for pennies on the dollar. Bosh wants his 6 years 130 million just like lebron and dwade. Its going to happen. Deal with it.

[panthermark]

I want:

Battier
Hill
Jeffries
2 picks

I think that is one of the more realistic requests I've seen.

The only question is on which picks.

Some of these other offers are WAY off the wall.

Oustide of Yao's health, the other major issue that many (not all) seem to neglect is Scola. From Houston's stand point, what do they do with Scola? If they trade for Bosh, they can't really pay Scola $8M a year to be his 15 mpg back-up.....and neither Scola nor Bosh can be effective centers. Scola would be a restriced FA, and there are a boat load of teams with cap room that would LOVE to get Scola for 3yrs/$25M or 4yrs/$30M (OKC, Chicago, NJ, NY). If they end up losing Scola as a free agent, you have to count him as an asset lost for Houston...then the price tag for Bosh starts to climb.

If Houston can S&T Scola for some assets (someplace else) or he agrees to go to Toronto (if you can figure ot the BYC issues) than I can see a solid deal being made. But if Houston could lose Scola for nothing.....I don't know. If it becomes (from Houston's view) Battier, Jeffries, Scola, Hill, and two 1st rounders...that is starting to get pricey.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

If Bosh narrows Houston down as his only preference, then the Rockets will offer nothing but crap to match what needs to go out to the Raptors.

BC doesn't have to trade Bosh to Houston & Houston has no way to sign outright. I don't think Morey will want to lose out by trying to play hardball.

He has a chance to attain a top 10 player, local talent, good character guy locked up for 6 years. That is an opportunity that comes along every 10 years or so.

Battier
Jeffries
Chase or Hill
2 first rounders

Is very good value to give away for a player like Bosh. It's still a bargain. If Morey misses out on this deal, he will have screwed a massive opportunity to take the Rockets to the next level.

You replace Chase/Hill with Brooks, I'd be more than happy to do that deal.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Thats when BC hangs up the phone and says sorry CB houston is not a possibility for you.

And then Bosh signs for 5 and $100 million and then another extension 3 years from now.

And BC resigns in shame.

And MLSE celebrates with a $17 million savings.

What if Bosh becomes injured and doesn't get an extension?
A bird in the hand.....

[redred9]

If Bosh narrows Houston down as his only preference, then the Rockets will offer nothing but crap to match what needs to go out to the Raptors.

BC doesn't have to trade Bosh to Houston & Houston has no way to sign outright. I don't think Morey will want to lose out by trying to play hardball.

He has a chance to attain a top 10 player, local talent, good character guy locked up for 6 years. That is an opportunity that comes along every 10 years or so.

Battier
Jeffries
Chase or Hill
2 first rounders

Is very good value to give away for a player like Bosh. It's still a bargain. If Morey misses out on this deal, he will have screwed a massive opportunity to take the Rockets to the next level.

exactly. The Rockets are not losing any of their core in this trade and, if Yao is ok health wise, are primed to take over the west next season. I honestly think Morey will play nice with us- too much is at stake for his team here & they have been planning for this for awhile. I believe they even made their team worse mid season by trading Landry for a guy who can space the floor, and to make room for Chris at his spot. They also showcased Jordan Hill when he couldn't get on the floor in NY.

I think at the very least we get a decent (if unpredictable ie NY pick) return from the Rockets. That'd be ok. At best some other team wants him as well, and this turns into a bidding war.

[Skeebs]

What?? No way man, budinger is sick and hill has talent as well. Brooks is...pedestrian to say the least. If you think jack cant play defence wait till you see broooooooks

have you seen chase play? he was an outstanding rookie

we need more athletic players and he would EASILY be our most athletic player...this kid is SICK

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilhBx-gpSu0[/youtube]

[MEDIC]

Budinger has just the right amount of Bonner-like pastiness to be a fan favorite here.....