Houston readying full-court press for Bosh

[Courtside]

Bosh could get sick of the whole song and dance, decide to sign somewhere outright and leave the 30 million on the table and leave the Raptors high and dry. Always a possibility.

A very very very slight chance. The guy's company is called "maxdeal technologies"!

IMO Bosh will not be leaving as much as a penny up for grabs. He will want and get it all. This very well could be his last huge pay day.

Even if Bosh really wanted to leave - I think he'd stay in Toronto for the extra $30 mil and then demand a trade, rather than walk to another team for a penny less.

[dacrusha]

Playing devils advocate.

I know that Bosh stands to lose 25 million on a contract not inked with the Toronto Raptors, or roughly that amount. My question is, is he really standing to lose that amount should he sign out right with another team for a 5 year deal?

Realistically, when he completes his 5 year deal, he will be 31. If he remains if good shape, stays free of any major injuries and keeps being relatively productive, wouldn't he be worth a 12 mill contract for 3 year. If he is putting up 10/18 I think he is.

Also, inking a 5 year deal allows him out one earlier should he not sign with a team that competes for a championship. He could end up having the flex to sign with a legit contender for a bargain price in order to put a ring on his finger before his career is up. If he spends his money well on this contract, he might not care on making an extra 10 mill if he can sing for half the amount and realistically compete.

Just saying, he realistically isn't giving up 25 mill, more like 10 to 15 mill. He gets more flex on how his career plays out and possibly betters his opportunity to get a championship.

What do you think?

There is no way he or his agent leave that 6th year. Bosh will be able to opt out after year 3 to get more money should he remain healthy, however, in case of injury he will want that additional cheddar.

If he is so worried about injuries, why did he only sign a 3+1 deal with the Raptors?

[ATLTimekeeper]

Playing devils advocate.

I know that Bosh stands to lose 25 million on a contract not inked with the Toronto Raptors, or roughly that amount. My question is, is he really standing to lose that amount should he sign out right with another team for a 5 year deal?

Realistically, when he completes his 5 year deal, he will be 31. If he remains if good shape, stays free of any major injuries and keeps being relatively productive, wouldn't he be worth a 12 mill contract for 3 year. If he is putting up 10/18 I think he is.

Also, inking a 5 year deal allows him out one earlier should he not sign with a team that competes for a championship. He could end up having the flex to sign with a legit contender for a bargain price in order to put a ring on his finger before his career is up. If he spends his money well on this contract, he might not care on making an extra 10 mill if he can sing for half the amount and realistically compete.

Just saying, he realistically isn't giving up 25 mill, more like 10 to 15 mill. He gets more flex on how his career plays out and possibly betters his opportunity to get a championship.

What do you think?

He can just make the 6th year a player option. But guaranteed money is guaranteed money, there's no motive to turn it down. Especially with a new CBA, and age of decline and all those worrisome things.

The hardball won't exist, IMO. There's no acrimony between Bosh and the Raptors.

[Courtside]

If he is so worried about injuries, why did he only sign a 3+1 deal with the Raptors?

Because he was younger, more healthy and felt more invincible at the time?

You don't think his more recent knee problems and season ending facial injury have opened his eyes? Imagine if that Jamison elbow ended his career - he'd be looking at that last $17 mil with the Raptors (next year's option year) as his parting gift from the NBA. He'd have lost those extra 3 years he didn't include on his last contract, and everything else going forward.

The fact that he risked those extra 3 years of security *specifically* to max out this summer, are proof that he will not accept anything less than the max this time around.

[dagger]

The coming CBA showdown was a big factor in his decision - it's why Lebron and Wade also did 3+1 deals. They specifically designed their contracts so that they would be negotiating their next deals the first summer when they qualified for the 30% max, which is also the summer before the CBA expires. The goal was to move on to the 30% max and get a deal that would be grandfathered under the next CBA.

[whysoserious]

The Raptors have no say in where Chris Bosh signs!!!

And Chris Bosh has no say in where the 30M is going to go!!! There is a point of compromise some where. You are just at the other end.

Bosh had no problem leaving close to $40 million on the table during his last contract negotiation with the Raptors (and $57 million, now that he's opting out), so no big deal... if BC is going to be a prick, then he'll just extend his contract in 3 years.

He signed his last contract, not because he didn't want the max but because he wanted to sign his second contract before the next CBA. He, along with Wade and Lebron specifically signed those deals to get to this point and sign the max contract now.

[panthermark]

Playing devils advocate.

I know that Bosh stands to lose 25 million on a contract not inked with the Toronto Raptors, or roughly that amount. My question is, is he really standing to lose that amount should he sign out right with another team for a 5 year deal?

Realistically, when he completes his 5 year deal, he will be 31. If he remains if good shape, stays free of any major injuries and keeps being relatively productive, wouldn't he be worth a 12 mill contract for 3 year. If he is putting up 10/18 I think he is.

Also, inking a 5 year deal allows him out one earlier should he not sign with a team that competes for a championship. He could end up having the flex to sign with a legit contender for a bargain price in order to put a ring on his finger before his career is up. If he spends his money well on this contract, he might not care on making an extra 10 mill if he can sing for half the amount and realistically compete.

Just saying, he realistically isn't giving up 25 mill, more like 10 to 15 mill. He gets more flex on how his career plays out and possibly betters his opportunity to get a championship.

What do you think?

It all depends on the new CBA, his health, and how happy he is.

If he is happy and healthy, he can sign an extension after 3 years (if still still holds in the new CBA).

If rasises are still guaranteed at 105% of salary (regardless of the new maximum), he will only miss about $2M over the first couple of years. (8% vs 10.5% rasises).

But I think the new CBA could cap them at the lower salary...so in that case....yeah...we are talking maybe $15M.

It just depends on the new CBA. He might not miss any cash....if he stays healthy.

[Fairview4Life]

If he is so worried about injuries, why did he only sign a 3+1 deal with the Raptors?

To get in before the next CBA and because under the current CBA the max jumps %'s with years played at 7 and then 10 years, and lo and behold, Bosh/Lebron/Wade are now all 7 yer vets, just in time for the jump from 25% of BRI to 30% of BRI. They took a calculated risk to maximize their money, not limit it.

[Courtside]

If he is so worried about injuries, why did he only sign a 3+1 deal with the Raptors?

To get in before the next CBA and because under the current CBA the max jumps %'s with years played at 7 and then 10 years, and lo and behold, Bosh/Lebron/Wade are now all 7 yer vets, just in time for the jump from 25% of BRI to 30% of BRI. They took a calculated risk to maximize their money, not limit it.

Everything is BCs fault and Bargnani is garbage (though somehow BC is supposed get Bynum for Bargs). Anything else is too complicated or nuanced for him - I only replied so that others might learn.

[kingmalaki]

The Raptors have no say in where Chris Bosh signs!!!

And Chris Bosh has no say in where the 30M is going to go!!! There is a point of compromise some where. You are just at the other end.

Bosh had no problem leaving close to $40 million on the table during his last contract negotiation with the Raptors (and $57 million, now that he's opting out), so no big deal... if BC is going to be a prick, then he'll just extend his contract in 3 years.

Very good point that I didn't even think about. I guess there is more support that he will leave $$ on the table then support showing that he won't. It's all just a guessing game from everyone regardless.

[panthermark]

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q51 51. Can existing contracts be extended?


After reading through this one really close. It will really depend on Bosh's health and the new CBA.

If the extension wording stays similar to the current CBA, than Bosh will be able to extend for 3 years after playing for 3 years under his 2010 contract (regardless of him signing a 5 or 6 year deal).

He will be a 29 year old, 10 year vet in the summer of 2013 and his extension increaes will be capped at the "greater" of the max salary for a 10 year vet or 1XX percent of his 2014-2015 salary. An example was illustrated using Shaq's max salary which was adjusted down under a new (at the time) CBA. Shaq ended up losing about $3M dollars in the CBA change.

One key is the "greater of..." phrase. If the new CBA changes to the "lesser of", than Bosh will lose money....how much will depend on what the new max is for a 10 year vet is in 2013. But I can't see it going to the "lesser of", because many of the advantages of "Bird Rights" for superstars would be lost. Any superstar above the max salary would be capped when they become free agents, and it would put the teams that have those superstars on the roster at a majore disadvantage. You could not pay your player more than the max, and you could never give them a raise (unless the max increases).

[Fairview4Life]

Very good point that I didn't even think about. I guess there is more support that he will leave $$ on the table then support showing that he won't. It's all just a guessing game from everyone regardless.

Keep reading. It's not a good point and no there is not more support showing he will leave $ on the table.

[GhostRaider2007]

Interesting interview by D. Morey on Houston radio this morning. If you monitor Clutchfans like I am doing now I have noticed they have a habit of loosely transcribing or "highlighting" all the interviews the Houston personell give on all the sports radio stations down there. Today Morey was on this station:

http://www.790kbme.com/main.html

and gave an interview about what is up for the future of the Rockets. Here are the highlights that contains a very interesting piece of information:

Morey was on 790 this morning and while most of the conversation was just back and forth banter and largely irrelevant, some interesting notes:

1) Team is likely to move from their draft position again as they like to maximize assets. Whether up or down or out is unclear.

2) Team will definitely pay luxury tax next year.

3) Team will definitely use the MLE this offseason. Edit: Also said that the entire MLE will be taxed.

4) Les has given Morey the go ahead to take on big contracts if need be to get a star player. He is all in and only asks that Morey "be smart" with the money, but has given him no limitations. The question was obviously a reference to Turkey Glue.

First lol at what they are calling Turkoglu but more intrestingly it doesn't look like his inclusion in a deal (or maybe that of Calderon if they go in another direction) for Bosh would be a dealbreaker.

Here is where they are discussing the interview:
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=186006

[Ripp]

^--- if Colangelo can convince Morey to take on Turk's contract in a S/T, he is a much better GM than I could have imagined. However, Bosh will veto this. Turk is not coming along for the ride.

Haha, look at the poll on the site:

Ed Wade says Carlos Lee will have 100 RBIs this year. What's more likely to happen?
Lee gets his 100 RBIs
Chris Bosh joins the Rockets
The Texans make the playoffs

Houston seems obsessed with CB. Maybe Colangelo can try to dump both Jose and Turk?

[Local_NG_Idiot]

Bosh had no problem leaving close to $40 million on the table during his last contract negotiation with the Raptors

Where'd you get these numbers from? He would have signed a deal structured like Melo's 5yr/80mil if he hadn't signed the deal he did 4yr/65mil. So where is this $40 million you speak of?

(and $57 million, now that he's opting out), so no big deal... if BC is going to be a prick, then he'll just extend his contract in 3 years.

Again it isn't $57 million since the 17mil he's opting out of will net him a guaranteed 20mil for next season, so he's netting a positive 3mil in his favour, not giving up 17.

So Bosh has gambled a guaranteed $17million over 3 years to net him a potential extra $30million with this contract. That's a pretty good ROI and it he's been fortunate enough that it has paid off for him. So after taking that big of a risk to net that kind of return, why would he walk away from it?

That's like placing a bet on red in a game of roulette, it hitting and then you saying "Meh, keep it I'd rather be over here playing black jack." Of course you would cash out before going to go play black jack.

[Fairview4Life]

^--- if Colangelo can convince Morey to take on Turk's contract in a S/T, he is a much better GM than I could have imagined. However, Bosh will veto this. Turk is not coming along for the ride.

Why would Bosh care if Houston is in the luxury tax? In fact, Turkoglu's inclusion makes it even more likely that Bosh would approve of the deal since they would presumably ship out fewer real assets in return for taking on Turkoglu, and he is actually a good basketball player, he's not Jason Kapono.

[Ripp]

Come on dude, any intelligent fan/player/affiliate of a team cares about the financial healthiness of their team....pretending otherwise is just naive. Even if Bosh is too stupid to realize the implications of Turk's albatross contract on the Rockets books, his agents will.

[Contract Season]

Forget his contract, basketball-wise Turkoglu is a horrific fit in Houston.
He needs the ball in his hands in order to be half-decent.
Is he going to ever get the ball on a team with Yao, Bosh, Brooks, K-Mart, etc.?

Of course not. So he'll pout, as he does, and kill the chemistry of a team that prides itself on chemistry.
Zero chance Houston takes back Turk. Calderon is the guy they will take back.
Makes way more sense.
Lowry would be a good fit in Toronto in return. Defends his position well but isn't completely useless offensively like Banks. Solid backup for Jack.

[supertruck97]

Forget his contract, basketball-wise Turkoglu is a horrific fit in Houston.
He needs the ball in his hands in order to be half-decent.
Is he going to ever get the ball on a team with Yao, Bosh, Brooks, K-Mart, etc.?

Of course not. So he'll pout, as he does, and kill the chemistry of a team that prides itself on chemistry.
Zero chance Houston takes back Turk. Calderon is the guy they will take back.
Makes way more sense.
Lowry would be a good fit in Toronto in return. Defends his position well but isn't completely useless offensively like Banks. Solid backup for Jack.

If the Rockets are giving Lowry AND taking back Calderon, expect the return to be severely diminished.

[Fairview4Life]

How would Turkoglu's contract be an albatross in Houston? They are apparently willing to spend a ton of money this summer, and the following year is more than likely a lockout year. That leaves them with two years of the new CBA with Turk under contract. They certainly seem willing to pay it if that write up is true. And that also means they will probably keep more of their assets than other possible Bosh deals. They will be better on the floor taking Turk back, and that will be Bosh's primary concern. Saying he'd veto a Houston deal if Turk is along for the ride is silly.