Morey on 790 this morning

[rocketsballin]

Morey was on 790 this morning and while most of the conversation was just back and forth banter and largely irrelevant, some interesting notes:

1) Team is likely to move from their draft position again as they like to maximize assets. Whether up or down or out is unclear.

2) Team will definitely pay luxury tax next year.

3) Team will definitely use the MLE this offseason. Edit: Also said that the entire MLE will be taxed.

4) Les has given Morey the go ahead to take on big contracts if need be to get a star player. He is all in and only asks that Morey "be smart" with the money, but has given him no limitations. The question was obviously a reference to Turkey Glue.

its official, the 2010/2011 nba champions are your Houston Rockets . . .

if yao/kmart/shane can play

[MaxRider]

We have to take back bad contract from Toronto to help them save money in future for them to give us Bosh. Personal I don't think Hill + our lottery pick + 2 of NY picks are enough for them to take back ~17M in contract. Unless we end up with #1 overall pick.

So to get Bosh and Turkoglu from Toronto we have to trade both Battier and Ariza for salaries to match. We can work under the table and have them buyout Battier and allow him to return.

C - Yao, Hayes
PF - Bosh, Scola
SF - Turkoglu, Battier
SG - Martin, Budinger
PG - Brooks, Lowry

our defense decline big time
if we don't want to take Turkoglu's contract we may have to give up Brooks
don't think Morey is going to give him up after spending 1 and half season developing him

[Jow128]

I'm pretty certain that Toronto would trade us Bosh for expirings if we took on Turk as well. Thast still like 26 million in expirings though /barf.

I'd rather take on Calderon.

[Vator]

We don't HAVE to take back a bad contract. Jeffries and Battier will expire so they can be useful trade chips to stockpile more assets or they just let them come off the books. Hill and draft picks plus expirings is really not a bad deal. Is it enough? That is a matter of opinion.

You better believe Morey isn't just going to take Turkoglu back without that changing the structure of the trade. Morey knows that teams give away 1st round picks to get rid of guys like that so I would imagine a scenario where us agreeing to take on Turk's contract would mean one less 1st rounder going from us to Toronto.

[MaxRider]

We don't HAVE to take back a bad contract. Jeffries and Battier will expire so they can be useful trade chips to stockpile more assets or they just let them come off the books. Hill and draft picks plus expirings is really not a bad deal. Is it enough? That is a matter of opinion.

You better believe Morey isn't just going to take Turkoglu back without that changing the structure of the trade. Morey knows that teams give away 1st round picks to get rid of guys like that so I would imagine a scenario where us agreeing to take on Turk's contract would mean one less 1st rounder going from us to Toronto.

Expired contracts don't worth as much as you think. For us only taking in Bosh, you better expect a 3rd and 4th team are involved.

[Moreyball]

I totally think if we agree to take on Turk's contract, that Morey can totally con his way to only sending Ariza, Hill and a draft pick or two in the deal.

Certainly we should be expected to give up less in that scenario.

Rockets are going to be so entertaining this offseason! Trading down in the draft for more picks or a good role player in return, the MLE contract and Bosh!

[Vator]

Expired contracts don't worth as much as you think. For us only taking in Bosh, you better expect a 3rd and 4th team are involved.

Expiring contracts have been netting teams draft picks for years. You need to find a partner of course, but they are valuable. The Rox managed to get pretty good value for one this past year too. We have seen our fair share expire over the years as well, but it puts you in a position to make deals if deals are out there to be had.

Of course Toronto would love to shed some contracts if they lose Bosh, but it remains to be seen if they will have enough leverage to force that. They may or they may not. That Turkoglu contract is looking about as bad as they come. You would almost have to approach this from two different angles if you're Morey. What is fair value to give up for Bosh and weigh that against what would be fair for them to give you for taking on Turkoglu and subtract. Not to mention, now you have to add more players to the deal that you probably would prefer to keep like say an Ariza using the example you put out. Almost makes it not worth it in my eyes.

3rd and 4th teams scare me. Now things get complicated. Sort of hard to imagine anybody wanting Turkoglu for anything other than the draft pick or picks that would have to be attached to him.

[HTown_TMac]

We will not take back Turkoglu ..

Expirings, Picks, Young Talent is enough.. Remember the ball is also in Bosh and his Agents court.

[MaxRider]

I totally think if we agree to take on Turk's contract, that Morey can totally con his way to only sending Ariza, Hill and a draft pick or two in the deal.

Certainly we should be expected to give up less in that scenario.

Rockets are going to be so entertaining this offseason! Trading down in the draft for more picks or a good role player in return, the MLE contract and Bosh!

don't forget we still have to re-sign Scola and Lowry
expecting our salary cap hit the 80sM

[S.W.A.N]

I honestly think people are looking at the wrong raptor.

Bosh and Calderon for expirings and picks...

As much as turky glue is over paid and looked bad this year he isn't the only issue the raps have.
One of Calderon or Jack need to leave town (BC has said as much) and while Jack would probably be the easier to trade on his own he has more intangibles that work with Turkey glue (doesn't need to dominate the ball the way calderon does) So the price for getting Bosh might be taking on a new back up pg who is paid starter money...

[Guy986]

No Turk please.

If we have to take Turk in order to get Bosh, i'll rather us pursue another big. Looking at Amare, Dirk, Al Jefferson, Boozer, Lee....

[YaoZaii]

do we need to pay luxury tax if les Alex buys Turk's contract out?

[HTown_TMac]

We're gonna pay Lux regardless

[LarsV8]

1.) If we are taking back a bad contract, we are giving them NOTHING more than filler. No prospects, no picks.
2.) If we are taking back a bad contract, we will probably take back Calderon. a.) Rumor is Bosh hates Turk, so I doubt he agrees to be moved with him. b.) Calderons contract is not as bad as Turks.
3.) If those two are coming back, we have to send 19.6 m back. Battier + Jeffries + Hayes + Anderson is 18.95 m. Add in a min player like Harris/Taylor or that guy we signed at the end of the season and that just about does it. If Jeffries kicker amount counts toward that number, then that gets it done.

Brooks/Lowry/Calderon
Martin/Lowry/Taylor
Ariza/Budinger
Bosh/Scola
Yao/Hill

With all three of our potential lottery picks still intact!

[M4P]

1.) If we are taking back a bad contract, we are giving them NOTHING more than filler. No prospects, no picks.
2.) If we are taking back a bad contract, we will probably take back Calderon. a.) Rumor is Bosh hates Turk, so I doubt he agrees to be moved with him. b.) Calderons contract is not as bad as Turks.
3.) If those two are coming back, we have to send 19.6 m back. Battier + Jeffries + Hayes + Anderson is 18.95 m. Add in a min player like Harris/Taylor or that guy we signed at the end of the season and that just about does it. If Jeffries kicker amount counts toward that number, then that gets it done.

Brooks/Lowry/Calderon
Martin/Lowry/Taylor
Ariza/Budinger
Bosh/Scola
Yao/Hill

With all three of our potential lottery picks still intact!

Paying ~10m for a 3rd string PG does not sound Morey to me.

[Vator]

1.) If we are taking back a bad contract, we are giving them NOTHING more than filler. No prospects, no picks.
2.) If we are taking back a bad contract, we will probably take back Calderon. a.) Rumor is Bosh hates Turk, so I doubt he agrees to be moved with him. b.) Calderons contract is not as bad as Turks.
3.) If those two are coming back, we have to send 19.6 m back. Battier + Jeffries + Hayes + Anderson is 18.95 m. Add in a min player like Harris/Taylor or that guy we signed at the end of the season and that just about does it. If Jeffries kicker amount counts toward that number, then that gets it done.

Brooks/Lowry/Calderon
Martin/Lowry/Taylor
Ariza/Budinger
Bosh/Scola
Yao/Hill

With all three of our potential lottery picks still intact!

Naw that is a little too lopsided in the Rox favor. Toronto still needs to be compensated for Bosh although I do think that if a bad contract comes along with Bosh that the compensation shouldn't be quite as substantial.

[Jow128]

Naw that is a little too lopsided in the Rox favor. Toronto still needs to be compensated for Bosh although I do think that if a bad contract comes along with Bosh that the compensation shouldn't be quite as substantial.

I disagree. I think they would be happy to trade bosh + bad contract simply for expirings. These are REALLY bad contracts, not just slightly overpayed roleplayers. 9 million for a guy like Calderon or 10+ million for a guy like Turkoglu is just awful, especially considering that they don't expire for many years to come either. Two of the 5 worst contracts in the NBA IMO.

[TMU]

Toronto will force us to take Hedo's contract. If that's the case, the most logical move would be including Ariza as part of the deal. However, let's face it. Based on his beliefs, Morey would want no part of Hedo, who not only has a bad contract but also is turning 32 next season.

Toronto should stop asking too much. Trade him to the Rockets for a reasonable package or lose him to free agency and get nothing in return.