Vinny Fired;Vinny+Gar+Pax (?!) Press Conference @ 11AM today

[windycity00]

oh, a sign and trade?
i don't see how cap space helps for trades, since we're not under the cap...

We're not?

if we are then i'm wrong

We have significant cap space going into this offseason...

ohhh, so can we theoretically trade one of our low salary players for another team's high salary player, like a t.gibson for iguodala for example - im stressing the difference in salary here, not the players themselves

[Leto]

Paraphrasing Legler on the Bulls open coaching position he says that Chicago is the most attractive to prospective coaches. Avery Johnson must be horrified. I think Avery got dissed by Paxson and is bitter.



http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5160861

[DuckIII]

Dude, it is amazing to what lengths you will go to defend management/Pax/etc when even Pax himself has finally admitted he was wrong about something.

Pax was wrong. I've said it from the day the report surfaced.

If Vinny started it, they would have fired him in 2 seconds.

I didn't say Vinny started it. I said Pax started it, but that it doesn't mean Vinny didn't elevate it by pushing Pax, which would still make the alternate version of the story plausible.

He didn't, and management hasn't once said that he did (beyond the attempted smear piece that came out as a counter to the original Woj story).

I know they didn't say he started it. Because he didn't. But they did say he shoved Paxson, and there's absolutely nothing about this press conference, from what I've read, that would disprove that version of events in the least.

Before you go on about the lenghts I'll go to do defend management, I think you should take a close look at just what it is that I've said and am saying.

[KingoftheCastle]

ohhh, so can we theoretically trade one of our low salary players for another team's high salary player, like a t.gibson for iguodala for example - im stressing the difference in salary here, not the players themselves

Why on earth would you want to do that?

[davhern]

ohhh, so can we theoretically trade one of our low salary players for another team's high salary player, like a t.gibson for iguodala for example - im stressing the difference in salary here, not the players themselves

We can trade one of our low salary players for another team's high salary free agent in a S&T, but not a player currently under contract (at least, as I understand it).

[HomoSapien]

I have to leave now, but I'll leave with this.

If you really believe that John Paxson - the guy who absolutely hates dealing with the media, the guy who has for two consecutive summers changed his title so that he could fade out of the spotlight - decided to hold a press conference to apologize to someone who pushed him because he yelled first ... well. I don't even know how to end this post. I'm just amazed that the four of you believe that is a remote possibility.

[Sever82]

Vinny will find another job in the NBA either as a really good GM or another coaching gig

Why do people think he'd make a good GM? He had to be told by management to play Rose in the 4th quarter, and he couldn't adhere to the minute-restriction on Noah. He doesn't strike me as a good decision maker, or show the ability to adapt well to a changing environment. When things get tough, he reverts back to cliche lines, such as "keep playing hard, push the ball, run the floor." I don't see any qualities that point to him being good in a front office, either. He handled the rumors with grace, so maybe he could be a yes-man, spokesman type personell in the front office.

Cause some people are just dumb. Similar to how some people tuned into this press conference thinking they'll get a detailed listing of potential replacement coaches or breakdown of why they let go of Vinny in which Gar would outline the negatives of Vinny. Or how some people tuned into paxson thinking they'll get details into how the fight went down.

Or even better, how people are saying Gar will be fired or that Gar is a bad GM eventhough Gar hasn't done anything bad yet for the bulls for people to say he's the worst GM or a bad GM. It just makes me laugh how some people jump from ship to ship. If Gar land Bosh, the same people on this board will be praising Gar, its just funny.

[6_Rings]

the team is much better than now than 2 years ago. and the altercation was not the reason he got fired.

Are you serious? We've known VDN was going to be fired at the end of this season since December. Why on earth would you think something that happened barely a month ago was the reason he got fired?

well the altercation was the final straw. cuz they're gonna look like super-idi0ts if they fire him based just on his record and all.

[DuckIII]

No. And when I do, maybe I'll change my mind. But I doubt it. Because everything you guys have said is being said falls right in line with what is logical. What possible benefit is there to Paxson to reveal the gory details and trash Vinny? This press conference is about stopping the perceived bleeding and moving on.

So if one of your co-workers punched you, you'd apologize given you said something mean to them first? Really?

Those situations aren't similar. If I was exactly in Paxson shoes, yes. I most certainly would.

[SolidSnake]

Poor Vinny is locked outside and can't get in.

[Sever82]

the team is much better than now than 2 years ago. and the altercation was not the reason he got fired.

Are you serious? We've known VDN was going to be fired at the end of this season since December. Why on earth would you think something that happened barely a month ago was the reason he got fired?

+1, vinny was done as soon as the bulls found out they would have cap space in 2010.

[theanimal23]

No. And when I do, maybe I'll change my mind. But I doubt it. Because everything you guys have said is being said falls right in line with what is logical. What possible benefit is there to Paxson to reveal the gory details and trash Vinny? This press conference is about stopping the perceived bleeding and moving on.

So if one of your co-workers punched you, you'd apologize given you said something mean to them first? Really?

Those situations aren't similar. If I was exactly in Paxson shoes, yes. I most certainly would.

Prolly for the PR reasons because of the head coaching search/2010

[anorexorcism]

Dude, it is amazing to what lengths you will go to defend management/Pax/etc when even Pax himself has finally admitted he was wrong about something.

Pax was wrong. I've said it from the day the report surfaced.

If Vinny started it, they would have fired him in 2 seconds.

I didn't say Vinny started it. I said Pax started it, but that it doesn't mean Vinny didn't elevate it by pushing Pax, which would still make the alternate version of the story plausible.

He didn't, and management hasn't once said that he did (beyond the attempted smear piece that came out as a counter to the original Woj story).

I know they didn't say he started it. Because he didn't. But they did say he shoved Paxson, and there's absolutely nothing about this press conference, from what I've read, that would disprove that version of events in the least.

Before you go on about the lenghts I'll go to do defend management, I think you should take a close look at just what it is that I've said and am saying.

See, when I say "Pax started it" I'm not talking about the full confrontation, I'm talking about the physical part. I think Pax was the one who elevated it by going physical first. I don't know if that makes a difference, but to me the whole thing "starts" when someone makes the first punch/shove/whatever. From what I gather, I think Pax started the physical confrontation and if he hadn't, I don't think he would have been so contrite (as opposed to if he punched back in self-defense).

[windycity00]

ohhh, so can we theoretically trade one of our low salary players for another team's high salary player, like a t.gibson for iguodala for example - im stressing the difference in salary here, not the players themselves

We can trade one of our low salary players for another team's high salary free agent in a S&T, but not a player currently under contract (at least, as I understand it).

then why do some people suggest giving deng to wolves for a draft pick or whatever.....wouldn't the wolves not be allowed to do this since deng is not a free agent?

[Rerisen]

Vinny speaking to the media

[SolidSnake]

Vinny said the assistant coaches helped grow the young players.

[anorexorcism]

I have to leave now, but I'll leave with this.

If you really believe that John Paxson - the guy who absolutely hates dealing with the media, the guy who has for two consecutive summers changed his title so that he could fade out of the spotlight - decided to hold a press conference to apologize to someone who pushed him because he yelled first ... well. I don't even know how to end this post. I'm just amazed that the four of you believe that is a remote possibility.

+1

[SolidSnake]

Vinny says thanks Chicago and leaves.

The End

[HomoSapien]

I know they didn't say he started it. Because he didn't. But they did say he shoved Paxson, and there's absolutely nothing about this press conference, from what I've read, that would disprove that version of events in the least.

Before you go on about the lenghts I'll go to do defend management, I think you should take a close look at just what it is that I've said and am saying.

I'm just so confused by your argument. Who pushed/punched the other person is really the only thing that matters.

[DuckIII]

You don't take responsibility for something you didn't do.

Did he take responsibility for something he didn't do?

If Vinny pushed Paxson, then they could smear Vinny's name easily.

And how, exactly, is that going to help the Bulls more than just putting it in the rear view mirror with a generic, and non-commital apology? This is isn't a street corner. Its a press conference of a major corporation attempting to make significant financial moves in the next 60 days.

He began by apologizing to Vinny, but later said he personally apologized to Gar and Jerry.

Good.