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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#521 » by OAKLEY_2 » Fri May 7, 2010 10:46 am

Unfortunately some of your most vocal fans do.


Sure no shortage of crazies here but at least they are passionate. This is a franchise where fans have have had to endure a revolving door of rookie coaches. The culture stems from this being an expansion team 15 years ago and the owners MLSEL being cheap about some things and throwing money to the wind about others. The posters who would take the package you describe are just as realistic as yourself. No question. This is BC though and he is not a big fan of picks. Swap one of those 1st rounders for Llull and your package is more realistic from the mentality of the guy who Houston would be trading with. One thing I cannot understand is: why would Houston want to pay Scola so much to be third or fourth big or simply Yao Insurance? He plays the exact same position as Bosh and is a starter for sure being paid starters money.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#522 » by NH » Fri May 7, 2010 12:09 pm

The Franchise_ wrote:First I would like to say hello to everyone. I'm a Houston fan who's been reading this debate for about a week now, and decided to register just to add my opinion to the quagmire. I understand Toronto wanting to get something of value for Bosh. I feel that they will get offers from teams (my own included) that will be more than fair. Thinking another team is going to cripple themselves just to get him though is unrealistic to say the least. For example: " If they don't start things off with Aaron Brooks, Kevin Martin, or Yao Ming no deal! " Really? Are there people who think this is even possible? That's like saying OKC has to give us Westbrook and Ibaka or there's no point in talking. People should really temper their expectations if they think a main cog is going to be given up by any team in any deal. Not gonna happen. Let's say Bosh was under contract for two more years, and Yao was healthy and about to become a free agent. Would you trade Bosh and Jack for Yao?
Wouldn't make much sesnse to make a trade that would leave you treading water or worse does it? Now let me move onto what I think Houston realistically has to offer, and how it applies to Toronto.

As many have said, Houston has openly shown their interest in Bosh, and that does give the Raptors leverage. How much leverage is where some Raptor fans seem to lose a grip on reality. What some fail to grasp is that the Raptors have to get a deal done in order to not have this summer be a complete disaster. The Rockets don't. Contrary to some opinions, showing interest in Bosh does not mean he is Houston's only option. Let's say Houston offers Toronto Hill, Battier, Jeffries, our 2011 pick (swap with NY), and NY 2012 pick for Bosh and Toronto says no deal. Do you really think D. Morey (the smartest GM in the NBA) is going to add anything else to an already generous offer? He will say thank you for considering our offer, and move on to plan B, and C. Have some of you forgotten that he was working on a trade for Stoudamire at the trade deadline that he turned down? How about Al Jefferson being shopped? How about David Lee being a free agent? How about we still have Scola and Hill? Our worst case scenario is we draft a backup C (hopefully Solomon Alabi) and go forward with the team we have and our NY picks. We would still be a contender with or without Bosh.

Yao/Alabi (7'1 255 lbs. excellent post defender/shotblocker)
Scola/Hill (much better than most of you realize)
Ariza/Battier
Martin/Budinger
Brooks/Lowry

Now, does that lineup really make you think this team is going to overcompensate just for the priviledge of paying Bosh 130 million? The Raptors will be given a fair deal, but if anyone thinks Morey will be taken to the cleaners, they need to wake up from such a fantastic dream. In reality the deal I listed above will probably be the best deal (in terms of flexibility, draft picks and cap space) BC will see come across his desk from anyone.


That's fine if you don't want Bosh that bad. IMO deal starts with Brooks (you can move Lowry to starting PG) and a draft pick for starters, fill in the rest if you like.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#523 » by SkywalkerAC » Fri May 7, 2010 1:15 pm

brooks? no. neither side wants that deal.

i really don't think battier will be part of the deal either. why would morey give him up when he doesn't have to?in exch

that said, i really hope to take houston's pick this year in exchange for not demanding Battier. the Rockets don't need a rookie next season, we do.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#524 » by Kevin Willis » Fri May 7, 2010 1:28 pm

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The Franchise_ wrote:. Let's say Houston offers Toronto Hill, Battier, Jeffries, our 2011 pick (swap with NY), and NY 2012 pick for Bosh .


I dont think Id have too many problems with that package for Bosh.


Most sane Raptor fans wouldn't. That's a good trade for both sides. We get a PF, Battier is the SF, I don't know what Jeffries bring and two good pick. Draft a pg, C or a decent SF (PF and SG is set) and we'll be fine.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#525 » by Komodo » Fri May 7, 2010 1:32 pm

The Franchise_ wrote:First I would like to say hello to everyone. I'm a Houston fan who's been reading this debate for about a week now, and decided to register just to add my opinion to the quagmire. I understand Toronto wanting to get something of value for Bosh. I feel that they will get offers from teams (my own included) that will be more than fair. Thinking another team is going to cripple themselves just to get him though is unrealistic to say the least. For example: " If they don't start things off with Aaron Brooks, Kevin Martin, or Yao Ming no deal! " Really? Are there people who think this is even possible? That's like saying OKC has to give us Westbrook and Ibaka or there's no point in talking. People should really temper their expectations if they think a main cog is going to be given up by any team in any deal. Not gonna happen. Let's say Bosh was under contract for two more years, and Yao was healthy and about to become a free agent. Would you trade Bosh and Jack for Yao?
Wouldn't make much sesnse to make a trade that would leave you treading water or worse does it? Now let me move onto what I think Houston realistically has to offer, and how it applies to Toronto.

As many have said, Houston has openly shown their interest in Bosh, and that does give the Raptors leverage. How much leverage is where some Raptor fans seem to lose a grip on reality. What some fail to grasp is that the Raptors have to get a deal done in order to not have this summer be a complete disaster. The Rockets don't. Contrary to some opinions, showing interest in Bosh does not mean he is Houston's only option. Let's say Houston offers Toronto Hill, Battier, Jeffries, our 2011 pick (swap with NY), and NY 2012 pick for Bosh and Toronto says no deal. Do you really think D. Morey (the smartest GM in the NBA) is going to add anything else to an already generous offer? He will say thank you for considering our offer, and move on to plan B, and C. Have some of you forgotten that he was working on a trade for Stoudamire at the trade deadline that he turned down? How about Al Jefferson being shopped? How about David Lee being a free agent? How about we still have Scola and Hill? Our worst case scenario is we draft a backup C (hopefully Solomon Alabi) and go forward with the team we have and our NY picks. We would still be a contender with or without Bosh.

Yao/Alabi (7'1 255 lbs. excellent post defender/shotblocker)
Scola/Hill (much better than most of you realize)
Ariza/Battier
Martin/Budinger
Brooks/Lowry

Now, does that lineup really make you think this team is going to overcompensate just for the priviledge of paying Bosh 130 million? The Raptors will be given a fair deal, but if anyone thinks Morey will be taken to the cleaners, they need to wake up from such a fantastic dream. In reality the deal I listed above will probably be the best deal (in terms of flexibility, draft picks and cap space) BC will see come across his desk from anyone.


Spot on. I'd take that deal, but would inquire about Lull as well.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#526 » by Kevin Willis » Fri May 7, 2010 1:38 pm

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The Franchise_ wrote:First I would like to say hello to everyone. I'm a Houston fan who's been reading this debate for about a week now, and decided to register just to add my opinion to the quagmire. I understand Toronto wanting to get something of value for Bosh. I feel that they will get offers from teams (my own included) that will be more than fair. Thinking another team is going to cripple themselves just to get him though is unrealistic to say the least. For example: " If they don't start things off with Aaron Brooks, Kevin Martin, or Yao Ming no deal! " Really? Are there people who think this is even possible? That's like saying OKC has to give us Westbrook and Ibaka or there's no point in talking. People should really temper their expectations if they think a main cog is going to be given up by any team in any deal. Not gonna happen. Let's say Bosh was under contract for two more years, and Yao was healthy and about to become a free agent. Would you trade Bosh and Jack for Yao?
Wouldn't make much sesnse to make a trade that would leave you treading water or worse does it? Now let me move onto what I think Houston realistically has to offer, and how it applies to Toronto.

As many have said, Houston has openly shown their interest in Bosh, and that does give the Raptors leverage. How much leverage is where some Raptor fans seem to lose a grip on reality. What some fail to grasp is that the Raptors have to get a deal done in order to not have this summer be a complete disaster. The Rockets don't. Contrary to some opinions, showing interest in Bosh does not mean he is Houston's only option. Let's say Houston offers Toronto Hill, Battier, Jeffries, our 2011 pick (swap with NY), and NY 2012 pick for Bosh and Toronto says no deal. Do you really think D. Morey (the smartest GM in the NBA) is going to add anything else to an already generous offer? He will say thank you for considering our offer, and move on to plan B, and C. Have some of you forgotten that he was working on a trade for Stoudamire at the trade deadline that he turned down? How about Al Jefferson being shopped? How about David Lee being a free agent? How about we still have Scola and Hill? Our worst case scenario is we draft a backup C (hopefully Solomon Alabi) and go forward with the team we have and our NY picks. We would still be a contender with or without Bosh.

Yao/Alabi (7'1 255 lbs. excellent post defender/shotblocker)
Scola/Hill (much better than most of you realize)
Ariza/Battier
Martin/Budinger
Brooks/Lowry

Now, does that lineup really make you think this team is going to overcompensate just for the priviledge of paying Bosh 130 million? The Raptors will be given a fair deal, but if anyone thinks Morey will be taken to the cleaners, they need to wake up from such a fantastic dream. In reality the deal I listed above will probably be the best deal (in terms of flexibility, draft picks and cap space) BC will see come across his desk from anyone.


Spot on. I'd take that deal, but would inquire about Lull as well.


Oh yeah, I'ld rather take Lull than Jeffries. Good point. PG, SF, PF then focus on a C in the draft.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#527 » by douggood » Fri May 7, 2010 1:42 pm

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The Franchise_ wrote:. Let's say Houston offers Toronto Hill, Battier, Jeffries, our 2011 pick (swap with NY), and NY 2012 pick for Bosh .


I dont think Id have too many problems with that package for Bosh.

i dont expect houston to include battier, ariza will be included. Morey will not include battier imo.

and i would want the houston pick from this year to be included.

hill, jefferies, ariza, 2010 houston pick (14th overall) and 2011 houston pick(option to swap with NY).

we could choose to keep ariza(my preference) or flip him.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#528 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri May 7, 2010 1:43 pm

Is it common practice to sign up just to go on an opposing team's board to dismiss their leverage in trade negotiations?
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Post#529 » by itbobby007 » Fri May 7, 2010 1:45 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:Is it common practice to sign up just to go on an opposing team's board to dismiss their leverage in trade negotiations?


Its not like he wasn't spot on with his assessment. It was a respectful post.
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itbobby007 wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:Is it common practice to sign up just to go on an opposing team's board to dismiss their leverage in trade negotiations?


Its not like he wasn't spot on with his assessment. It was a respectful post.


I don't have a problem with his post, but I find the circumstances odd. But I generally find it strange when people keep signing up under different alias' to protect their already artificial online identity. If this is truly the guy's first post on RealGM, then maybe I'm just too cynical.
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ATLTimekeeper wrote:
itbobby007 wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:Is it common practice to sign up just to go on an opposing team's board to dismiss their leverage in trade negotiations?


Its not like he wasn't spot on with his assessment. It was a respectful post.


I don't have a problem with his post, but I find the circumstances odd. But I generally find it strange when people keep signing up under different alias' to protect their already artificial online identity. If this is truly the guy's first post on RealGM, then maybe I'm just too cynical.


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Post#532 » by bballsparkin » Fri May 7, 2010 3:45 pm

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:
The Franchise_ wrote:. Let's say Houston offers Toronto Hill, Battier, Jeffries, our 2011 pick (swap with NY), and NY 2012 pick for Bosh .


I dont think Id have too many problems with that package for Bosh.

i dont expect houston to include battier, ariza will be included. Morey will not include battier imo.

and i would want the houston pick from this year to be included.

hill, jefferies, ariza, 2010 houston pick (14th overall) and 2011 houston pick(option to swap with NY).

we could choose to keep ariza(my preference) or flip him.


I'm fine with this deal. The Houston pick this year has to me included imo. It's the only one the Raptors can be certain on. Plus it allows Raps to pick 13, 14 consecutively. I guess it would have to be prearranged like the JO deal and our 17th pick. Ariza is fine, Raps could swap him with another team if he whines.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#533 » by Homer Jay » Fri May 7, 2010 3:56 pm

bballsparkin wrote:i dont expect houston to include battier, ariza will be included. Morey will not include battier imo.

and i would want the houston pick from this year to be included.

hill, jefferies, ariza, 2010 houston pick (14th overall) and 2011 houston pick(option to swap with NY).

we could choose to keep ariza(my preference) or flip him.


I'm fine with this deal. The Houston pick this year has to me included imo. It's the only one the Raptors can be certain on. Plus it allows Raps to pick 13, 14 consecutively. I guess it would have to be prearranged like the JO deal and our 17th pick. Ariza is fine, Raps could swap him with another team if he whines.[/quote]

It's likely either Battier or the 2010 14th, but likely not both. When you look at recent big name trades, like Garnett, it's actually a better deal.... and light years ahead of the VC return. If we do get Battier I see BC punting him on to another team for another first if possible. Hedo, Jefferies, and Battier on the same team doesn't make any financial sense. I know Jefferies is really a tweener, but I would give all the PF mins to Johnson/Hill. Maybe BC even kicks along Jefferies expiring for another 1st rounder as well. I just seem to be getting a vibe that BC is committed to rebuilding this team through the draft and not cap space like he did in 2006. If he ends up with 3 picks one year he will probably try to move up as much as possible in the draft.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#534 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri May 7, 2010 4:21 pm

Homer Jay wrote:

It's likely either Battier or the 2010 14th, but likely not both. When you look at recent big name trades, like Garnett, it's actually a better deal.... and light years ahead of the VC return. If we do get Battier I see BC punting him on to another team for another first if possible. Hedo, Jefferies, and Battier on the same team doesn't make any financial sense. I know Jefferies is really a tweener, but I would give all the PF mins to Johnson/Hill. Maybe BC even kicks along Jefferies expiring for another 1st rounder as well. I just seem to be getting a vibe that BC is committed to rebuilding this team through the draft and not cap space like he did in 2006. If he ends up with 3 picks one year he will probably try to move up as much as possible in the draft.


If BC takes picks, it'll be because that's the best deal he can get given the circumstances, not that he plans on rebuilding through the draft. He's never gone that route, and his contract is up. Keep in mind that MLSE also seems allergic to the schmaft. Chances are those picks would just be used as kickers in future deals, hopefully not salary dumps like Jalen.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#535 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Fri May 7, 2010 4:28 pm

Morey was on 790 this morning and while most of the conversation was just back and forth banter and largely irrelevant, some interesting notes:

1) Team is likely to move from their draft position again as they like to maximize assets. Whether up or down or out is unclear.

2) Team will definitely pay luxury tax next year.

3) Team will definitely use the MLE this offseason. Edit: Also said that the entire MLE will be taxed.

4) Les has given Morey the go ahead to take on big contracts if need be to get a star player. He is all in and only asks that Morey "be smart" with the money, but has given him no limitations. The question was obviously a reference to Turkey Glue.


heres what i think it will be if we want to go Houston

Toronto Sends:
Chris Bosh Year 1) $16,568,908 (S&T max contract)
Jose Calderon $9,000,000
= 25,568,908

Houston Sends:
Shane Battier $7,429,500
Jared Jeffries $6,883,800
Jordan Hill $2,669,520
Chase Budinger $780,871
Kyle Lowry $5,250,000 (BYC 2.625 million)
* Houston 2011 1st Round Pick (Option to swap with NYK)
* Knicks 2012 1st Round Pick
= 20,388,691 X 1.25 + 100,000
= 25,585,863

now its a little big which makes it hard but i think thats a fair offer. I would even agree to buyout Battier as a wink wink deal

Brooks/Calderon
Martin/Henry (2010 1st)/Taylor
Ariza/Battier (Returns)
Bosh/Scola
Yao/Hayes/Andersen
= champions

so i think thats what will work, for Toronto we rebuild.

Lowry/Jack/Banks
Derozan/Weems/Belinelli
Turkaglu/Budinger/Jeffries
Johnson/Hill/Evans
Bargnani/Orton/Dorsey

we then have Jeffires + Banks + Evans as expiring. = 17 million.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#536 » by The Franchise_ » Fri May 7, 2010 6:27 pm

Oh yeah, I'ld rather take Lull than Jeffries. Good point. PG, SF, PF then focus on a C in the draft.

The only reason that I don't think Morey would want to give up Llull is because he is looking like he may be Aaron Brook's replacement. I think he drafted him knowing that Sergio wouldn't be ready to come over until Aaron's contract was up. Having a 6'3 point guard that plays good NBA defense, has unlimited range on his shot, runs the floor on every possesion and loves to attack the basket, is the perfect insurance to have just in case Brooks price tag is too high. If it's the only way to get Bosh I guess I could swallow it, but boy would I hate to see him go! :lol:
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#537 » by Ripp » Fri May 7, 2010 6:31 pm

The Franchise_ wrote:First I would like to say hello to everyone. I'm a Houston fan who's been reading this debate for about a week now, and decided to register just to add my opinion to the quagmire. I understand Toronto wanting to get something of value for Bosh. I feel that they will get offers from teams (my own included) that will be more than fair. Thinking another team is going to cripple themselves just to get him though is unrealistic to say the least. For example: " If they don't start things off with Aaron Brooks, Kevin Martin, or Yao Ming no deal! " Really? Are there people who think this is even possible? That's like saying OKC has to give us Westbrook and Ibaka or there's no point in talking. People should really temper their expectations if they think a main cog is going to be given up by any team in any deal. Not gonna happen. Let's say Bosh was under contract for two more years, and Yao was healthy and about to become a free agent. Would you trade Bosh and Jack for Yao?
Wouldn't make much sesnse to make a trade that would leave you treading water or worse does it? Now let me move onto what I think Houston realistically has to offer, and how it applies to Toronto.

As many have said, Houston has openly shown their interest in Bosh, and that does give the Raptors leverage. How much leverage is where some Raptor fans seem to lose a grip on reality. What some fail to grasp is that the Raptors have to get a deal done in order to not have this summer be a complete disaster. The Rockets don't. Contrary to some opinions, showing interest in Bosh does not mean he is Houston's only option. Let's say Houston offers Toronto Hill, Battier, Jeffries, our 2011 pick (swap with NY), and NY 2012 pick for Bosh and Toronto says no deal. Do you really think D. Morey (the smartest GM in the NBA) is going to add anything else to an already generous offer? He will say thank you for considering our offer, and move on to plan B, and C. Have some of you forgotten that he was working on a trade for Stoudamire at the trade deadline that he turned down? How about Al Jefferson being shopped? How about David Lee being a free agent? How about we still have Scola and Hill? Our worst case scenario is we draft a backup C (hopefully Solomon Alabi) and go forward with the team we have and our NY picks. We would still be a contender with or without Bosh.

Yao/Alabi (7'1 255 lbs. excellent post defender/shotblocker)
Scola/Hill (much better than most of you realize)
Ariza/Battier
Martin/Budinger
Brooks/Lowry

Now, does that lineup really make you think this team is going to overcompensate just for the priviledge of paying Bosh 130 million? The Raptors will be given a fair deal, but if anyone thinks Morey will be taken to the cleaners, they need to wake up from such a fantastic dream. In reality the deal I listed above will probably be the best deal (in terms of flexibility, draft picks and cap space) BC will see come across his desk from anyone.


An excellent post. You've rightfully pointed out that all three sides have options and leverage. Bosh is not the only FA PF available, Amare and DLee are also available. And if grabbing Bosh means gutting your team, why not just grab Amare,a guy Morey could have had at the trade deadline (and who imo isn't THAT much worse than Bosh, the Nash effect notwithstanding?)

It is entirely unrealistic to expect a Hedo or Jose salary dump, unless you want absolutely no picks back. Amare can probably be had this summer for a TPE, and a single future first or prospect like JHill. The deeper the Suns go in the playoffs, the more his value only rises relative to CB. So expecting a lopsided deal when Amare's price will be far less is unrealistic.

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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#538 » by bballsparkin » Fri May 7, 2010 6:41 pm

Ripp wrote:An excellent post. You've rightfully pointed out that all three sides have options and leverage. Bosh is not the only FA PF available, Amare and DLee are also available. And if grabbing Bosh means gutting your team, why not just grab Amare,a guy Morey could have had at the trade deadline (and who imo isn't THAT much worse than Bosh, the Nash effect notwithstanding?)

It is entirely unrealistic to expect a Hedo or Jose salary dump, unless you want absolutely no picks back. Amare can probably be had this summer for a TPE, and a single future first or prospect like JHill. The deeper the Suns go in the playoffs, the more his value only rises relative to CB. So expecting a lopsided deal when Amare's price will be far less is unrealistic.

This is only common sense.


I've always felt that Bosh is better than Amare. But the further the Suns go this year the more valuable he becomes no doubt. Amare is good with or without Nash. He has excellent hands. Nash throws crazy ass passes that are unexpected and Stoudemire catches them no problem with the finish. Basically, when Amare applies himself on both ends of the court, he is almost as good as he thinks he is. Which is pretty dang good.

Teams thinking they can grab Amare no problem as a backup plan may have missed the boat imo.

edit: meant to say with regards to Bosh and Amare. Amare has had some remarkable runs on winning teams. So until Bosh does the same you can't really compare them.
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Post#539 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri May 7, 2010 6:53 pm

Houston could have had an uncommitted Amare at the deadline, yes. That doesn't mean they could have a committed Amare in July.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#540 » by Ripp » Fri May 7, 2010 7:01 pm

bballsparkin wrote:I've always felt that Bosh is better than Amare. But the further the Suns go this year the more valuable he becomes no doubt. Amare is good with or without Nash. He has excellent hands. Nash throws crazy ass passes that are unexpected and Stoudemire catches them no problem with the finish. Basically, when Amare applies himself on both ends of the court, he is almost as good as he thinks he is. Which is pretty dang good.

Teams thinking they can grab Amare no problem as a backup plan may have missed the boat imo.

edit: meant to say with regards to Bosh and Amare. Amare has had some remarkable runs on winning teams. So until Bosh does the same you can't really compare them.


I like Amare a lot too. He simply is the best finishing big man in the league. His faceup game isn't quite as good as Bosh's, but is nearly so. There are few things as scary on the face of the earth as a Nash+Amare PnR, with Amare rolling to the hoop. The thing is though....can other PGs create the same PnR? Wade I am pretty sure cannot. LeBron probably can. Paul and Williams can.

This is why I'm a bit suspicious of what will happen when Amare leaves. If you go on basketball-reference.com and check the TS% of players before and after Nash arrives on the Suns (Marion, Amare), or after they arrived on the Suns (JRich), you'll notice a big jump (or fall, in the case of Marion.) That is my big fear with Amare...will he still be as efficient and productive w/o a Nash-level PG? I think what someone needs to do is to see how productive and efficient he has been with him on the floor when Nash is on the bench..there is a good amount of play-by-play data available over the past 4 or 5 years, so this is something someone could easily take a look at. If he can maintain his productivity w/o a Nash-level PG, then grabbing him is less risky, from a bball perspective.

Regarding grabbing Amare as a backup...My point isn't so much that Amare is available as a "backup plan"....the point is that Amare also helps to set the market price for a CB S/T. If Amare is S/Ted to the Heat for a TPE and single future first, then one can't expect the value of CBs S/T rights to be dramatically different.

Hell, for all we know, he might not be a backup. If the Suns get to the Finals this year, who is to say Amare won't knock Bosh out of the 3rd spot for coveted max FAs? CB after all has never even been out of the first round...
Like I said, my own personal belief is that CB is strictly a better player than Amare...a better scorer (when taking pace and the Nash-effect into account), rebounder, defender, and passer. But the market value of the two players might very different from their value as players.
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