The Coaching Thread/SF76 Update: Page 54

[Sixersftw]

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Sounds like Pritchard might still be on his way out of Portland. What sense does it make that a guy like Kevin Pritchard would be fired and yet Ed Stefanski would keep his job?

If Pritchard had any interest in the Sixers I don't think there is a chance Stefanski stays. hopefully he is enticed by the Jrue, Igudoala, the #6 and a whole bunch of horse####.

[The Guilty Party]

I believe that there is only one other GM job available and that's the Clippers. We could offer Pritchard the combo title of President and GM (seems to be what we do) and so perhaps having only the owner to answer to would help entice Pritchard here.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

What's wrong with what he said about our PG situation? When has Holiday put together a full game of running the offense and impacting the game?

- He's been a situational defender at times.
- He's gotten to the rim off the dribble at times.
- He's hit a few three pointers off assisted attempts.
- He's played off the ball at times.

All of this usually goes on throughout a game. He's never settled into running the offense for a full 48 minutes. And some games, he isn't effective in doing anything other than defending. I need to see more on a nightly basis before I can have faith in Jrue Holiday being a dependable QB for the offense.

When? When? Oh, I don't know the last two months of the season! Here's one game that everyone would like to forget. Milwaukee(at the Bradley Center, BTW before Bogut injury). We blew out that game, wanna know why? Jrue Holiday completely stymied Brandon Jennings on BOTH ends of the floor. With his size and quickness, Jrue prevented Brandon from running out on the break(or getting inside the paint). And on the other end, Jrue Holiday punished Jennings pushing the ball against the 6'0 guard and using his size, his quickness and his shot.

I also recall the forementioned Atlanta game. Situational Defender? Situational Defender? A situational defender does NOT get seven steals in a game, I can guarantee you.

And it's not like Allen Iverson where Jrue "plays" the passing lanes(ie: sags off his man). On the contrary, Jrue Holiday has learned to use his body and puts pressure on the offense.

A situational defender is NOT put on Kobe Bryant(certainly not when we have the 'great' Andre Iguodala). Indeed, the reason the Lakers pulled away at the end was because EFJ sat Holiday down and Kobe got hot. Then, it's too late to contain Kobe.

Last but not least, we have to take EFJ into very large consideration in regards to Holiday's development. Let's not forget that EFJ had Willie Green and Royal Ivey playing "ahead" of Jrue Holiday. If it weren't for that 1 1/2-2 months of foolishness, Holiday could very well have landed on an all-rookie team.

Let's also remember EFJ ran the "Princeton" Offense, though I don't venture it was anything like I seen from Rick Adelman's Kings/Rockets. Case in point: Remember when Elton Brand would recieve the ball at the top of the perimeter!? A 15-18 foot jump shooter got the ball 26 feet out!

You can't possibly judge Jrue Holiday as an "off the ball player", infact it was one of his greatest questionmarks heading into the draft!

Infact, you should see this as an improvement. Before Holiday was/is a game-changer with the ball in his hands. Which we didn't see alot but if you paid attention, we saw Jrue Holiday taking over games.

It first started against Orlando, I remember TGP and I having a big argument and I told him "This ain't a 1 game rookie fluke. This is a very good player". I told him how hard Jrue was taking the ball to the cup. How good of a shooter he is, how poised he is. Those were the markings of a great player.

Jrue Holiday and Thaddeus Young have potential to be great players, and both have developed incredibly well. Young had a "set-back" year, but he still shot 47% from the field.

So while everyone might say "hold on a minute". I say: Let them fly. Let these young kids fly and don't let them go. They are potentially our first and second options of the future.

[The Guilty Party]

When I read the post questioning Jrue, I expected the above post to be coming in at some point. I like Jrue Holiday but Dedicated has gone straight bananas over the kid.

[Kobblehead]

When I read the post questioning Jrue, I expected the above post to be coming in at some point. I like Jrue Holiday but Dedicated has gone straight bananas over the kid.

Not really questioning him as much as wanting to see more on a consistent basis. Remember how Philly basically anointed Thad Young the future after the second half of his rookie season. My point is that we haven't seen enough from him to automatically think "Okay, we got ourselves a point guard."

The way the Dedicated guy seemed clueless or in denial about Thaddeus Young's game really made me lose interest in his posts going forward. He seems like a major homer. The type of guy that would give a fanbase a bad name on a more universal board.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Kolb: The one that's in denial about Thaddeus's game is you, hell your even in denial about when Philadelphia fans "fell in love" with the kid. Yes, Thaddeus played tremendous basketball as a hybrid forward in his rookie year. But Thad had a breakout sophomore campaign that saw him post 15/5 on near 50% shooting, including a 20 PPG March/April.

Infact, we struggled to make the playoffs/clinch the playoffs when Thad went down. I thought Iggy was our "clutch player"?

Let's understand this for a moment Kolb: Sometimes people are misguided, and the 76ers brass definately qualifies. No one in the world would rather Andre Iguodala isolating as opposed to Thaddeus Young. None. One has great isolation skills, the other has none whatsoever.

What of Iguodala's isos do you like? The fade-away jumpers? The errant passes? The turnovers on penetration? Iguodala could be a great power player, but he's never utalized that part(the only good part) of his otherwise utterly nonexistant isolation game.

Iguodala's a roleplayer that can get to the line a little, he may get hot and hit a few shots. He can even make "plays"(though as I said, a turnover is equally likely).

Iggy is a borderline roleplayer. Turnover prone, awful shooter, awful slasher. Doesn't get to the line enough.

Stefanski's bringing in Mitchell who criticized Iggy's game is about a screaming statement as you can get: The whole NBA has admitted we invested 13-14-15 M in a roleplayer

[dbodner]

Iguodala's maintained a 2/1 assist to turnover the past 3 years, and has averaged 7.3, 6.2, 6.4 and 5.3 fta's he past 4 years.

Yeah, turnover prone and can't get to the line. Hit that one right on the head.

[bebopdeluxe]

I am not surprised that not much has happened on the coaching front yet - I doubt that ANYTHING happens until the pipng-pong balls are dropped in the hopper.

This job becomes a VASTLY more interesting and attractive job if we get a top-3 pick...right?

[steveb21]

I am not surprised that not much has happened on the coaching front yet - I doubt that ANYTHING happens until the pipng-pong balls are dropped in the hopper.

This job becomes a VASTLY more interesting and attractive job if we get a top-3 pick...right?

FWIW I've read that they want a new coach in place before the ping ponb balls drop and the new coach will rep us at the lottery.

[tk76]

I believe Jrue will be at the lottery.

[Kobblehead]

I am not surprised that not much has happened on the coaching front yet - I doubt that ANYTHING happens until the pipng-pong balls are dropped in the hopper.

This job becomes a VASTLY more interesting and attractive job if we get a top-3 pick...right?

That's a really good point. I didn't think of that.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Iguodala's maintained a 2/1 assist to turnover the past 3 years, and has averaged 7.3, 6.2, 6.4 and 5.3 fta's he past 4 years.

Yeah, turnover prone and can't get to the line. Hit that one right on the head.

Depends, are the refs giving him calls or is he driving hard to the basket? Let me put it this way: compare Clyde the Glide's game to Iggy.

Ever heard of Ricky Davis? Guys get numbers. I watch the games. Iggy isn't a good slasher, he rarely slashes. Andre Miller being a high percentage shooter really masked Iggy's weaknesses.

Also a 2/1 AST-T.O ratio doesn't make one not turnover prone. It simply means he gets more assists then turnovers. Mostly due to how much of a ball hog he is.

[Mojo7]

I am not surprised that not much has happened on the coaching front yet - I doubt that ANYTHING happens until the pipng-pong balls are dropped in the hopper.

This job becomes a VASTLY more interesting and attractive job if we get a top-3 pick...right?

That's a really good point. I didn't think of that.

I still remember those stories of D'Antoni kicking himself when he jumped at the Knicks and then the Bulls got the #1. That was hilarious!

If they get a top-3, certainly top 2, If a team got to add a Turner or Wall to this mix knowing you have that caliber of building block which should buy some time for the coach to implement their philosophy, I'd think interest would shoot up big time.

[SJSF]

Iguodala's maintained a 2/1 assist to turnover the past 3 years, and has averaged 7.3, 6.2, 6.4 and 5.3 fta's he past 4 years.

Yeah, turnover prone and can't get to the line. Hit that one right on the head.

Iggy is player that does other things he shouldn't do on the court like gets assists. His job as a wing man is to score points and hit 3's. ANd this is what has killed this team. Having an Iggy and Thad at the wings is the reason this team stinks. No shooting from the perimeter. Look how much better this team looked with Kapono ou therel. There spacing was so much better and it opened up lanes. One rule to live by for your Pg, SG, and SF. If they can't defend and shoot a basketball from distance you don't want him. All the good teams have this.

[SJSF]

Iguodala's maintained a 2/1 assist to turnover the past 3 years, and has averaged 7.3, 6.2, 6.4 and 5.3 fta's he past 4 years.

Yeah, turnover prone and can't get to the line. Hit that one right on the head.

Depends, are the refs giving him calls or is he driving hard to the basket? Let me put it this way: compare Clyde the Glide's game to Iggy.

Ever heard of Ricky Davis? Guys get numbers. I watch the games. Iggy isn't a good slasher, he rarely slashes. Andre Miller being a high percentage shooter really masked Iggy's weaknesses.

Also a 2/1 AST-T.O ratio doesn't make one not turnover prone. It simply means he gets more assists then turnovers. Mostly due to how much of a ball hog he is.

Stats are for people that try and make excuses. We have all watched the games. And honestly, Iggy is a decent number 3 or 4 option. But a team needs players to take over games or make big plays. He isn't this guy. ANd to think the managment thought this just goes to show that they need to be fired. You don't pay based on potential. Whats wrong with this league.

[sixersinsider]

As the majority of us know the sixers are a team
with a bunch of pieces that dont fit.

I would not underestimate SCREAMING A SMITHS
evaluation of this team.
( THIS TEAM DOES NOT HAVE A PG)
1. A point guards title is earned on Offence.

Holiday will develop into a special deffender top (5) in the leauge.
But great offence beats great defence 6 times out of 10

JRUE has decent vision but he doesnt have one great skill on
offence. I can not commit to him as the....future......PG

In this leauge speed wins and i dont see that speed in him on
the O-fence-ive side of the ball.Heis actually quicker more confident
on D.

He could be my 6th man unless he were to be paired with a
Evan turner type talent.

2.I would keep IGGY because i value D-fence but his age is
geared more to a win now situation so i would have to dangle
him Speights LOU Thad and an expirings to get (Turner and Filler)

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Holiday's 3pt shot, his ability to finish with his off hand and his strong 6'4 body seems to suggest to me he's more then capable of being a 16 PPG scorer.

[Philly KDub]

I can see Holiday having a career similar to Chauncey Billups. I do see some similarities in their games but Holiday does take the ball to the hole more than Billups.

[tk76]

I would not underestimate SCREAMING A SMITHS
evaluation of this team.
( THIS TEAM DOES NOT HAVE A PG)
1. A point guards title is earned on Offence.

Holiday will develop into a special deffender top (5) in the leauge.
But great offence beats great defence 6 times out of 10

JRUE has decent vision but he doesnt have one great skill on
offence. I can not commit to him as the....future......PG

In this leauge speed wins and i dont see that speed in him on
the O-fence-ive side of the ball.Heis actually quicker more confident
on D.

He could be my 6th man unless he were to be paired with a
Evan turner type talent.

I agree that Jrue's potential hinges on his offense- particularly his shooting. I also feel he lacks the explosiveness or pure shooting stroke to become a top level star... But I think he looks to develop into an above average starting PG, maybe even a top 40 NBA star.

Most PG's have clear deficits. The super quick ones lack size. The bigger ones struggle to keep in front of the quick ones. Even some better PG';s have major holes in their game.

If he maintains a solid jumper, Jrue really has few if any holes. He lacks explosiveness, but is extremely quick. He stays in front of most PG's, big or small. He has only really struggled against fireplug types (like Jameer) but that should improve with experience.

Offensively, his handle and quickness allow him to break down bigger guards, while his post game and crafty moves in the lane should be effective against smaller opponents. And in terms of pure PG skills, his vision, demeanor and passing all seem very promising for a 19 year old PG.

Its hard to be certain what Jrue will be in 3 years at age 22- but all indication are that he will be at very least a solid starting PG, and an asset for the team moving forward.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Explosiveness? Jrue got pretty high in the air a few times. He showed strong athletic ability. It's just EFJ. Believing in his "two guard system" kept Holiday from his greatest strength. Kolb: In HS, Jrue with the basketball=ownage. Holiday has great court vision, great passing and he's just so intelligent with the basketball.

Jrue Holiday did get better at things he didn't do last year in college. Kolb, Holiday's being a good off the ball player was something UCLA lacked, as Holiday averaged a meager 8 PPG. They would've gladly taken the 14+ PPG scorer he became since given a legit role in the NBA.

It was this reason, and this reason alone. That Holiday dropped from top-5, to us.

Holiday's a gem, a real sparkly gem.