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Post#21 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Sat May 1, 2010 6:28 pm

I don't understand the hate for Bosh, the guy has been considered one of the elite players in the league for years. The only reason he doesn't get as much hype as the other stars in this league is because he is on a terrible team in a small market. Over the past 3 seasons he has been putting up monster numbers and he was killer on team USA. He is the new Pau Gasol or KG....awesome talent in a terrible situation.

I much rather have Bosh than Boozer and so should the rest of you. They both have similar play styles so you already know Bosh would fit in well with the offense and Bosh is better on defense. Bosh is the kind of talent that will win championships, can anyone here really see Boozer leading us or anyone to a championship?

As much as I would love to see Bosh here in Utah, we have as much of a chance at getting him here as we do winning the draft lottery with the NY pick.
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Since you don't have much of a shot at landing Bosh and you have 0 chance at landing Amare we might as well go after the next best thing and re-sign Boozer. My take on Boozer is that he is the kind of player who will win you lots of regular season games and probably take you past the first round of the playoffs but not much further. Depending on matchups he could even take you past the second round but he is just simply too limited in too many different areas to take you much further. He is a great player but I don't see him as a dominating, super star caliber, championship caliber type player. He will bring us plenty of wins but I don't expect him to bring us a championship without some luck.
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Post#22 » by pass first » Sat May 1, 2010 11:59 pm

Bosh is taller but I don't think he is a better defender besides maybe that advantage. He's a much worse passer. He scores predominantly from iso's, which isn't the Jazz style. Maybe he could fit in but it's not a given. Bosh though is gonna command 130 million dollars over 6 years. Good luck with that, considering this thread is about affording a cheaper player with comparable production.
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Post#23 » by freakazoid » Sun May 2, 2010 2:45 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I much rather have Bosh than Boozer and so should the rest of you. They both have similar play styles so you already know Bosh would fit in well with the offense and Bosh is better on defense. Bosh is the kind of talent that will win championships, can anyone here really see Boozer leading us or anyone to a championship?


Thank you Jesus that our fans are so brilliant. Let's face it, Lebron James has already committed to Utah. Bosh sucks, but we are getting Boozer and LBJ anyway. We don't need Bosh.

P.S. You have to be ************ kidding me.

If we lose Boozer, who will replace himm, Einstein????
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Post#24 » by QuantumMacgyver » Mon May 3, 2010 6:46 am

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UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I much rather have Bosh than Boozer and so should the rest of you. They both have similar play styles so you already know Bosh would fit in well with the offense and Bosh is better on defense. Bosh is the kind of talent that will win championships, can anyone here really see Boozer leading us or anyone to a championship?


Thank you Jesus that our fans are so brilliant. Let's face it, Lebron James has already committed to Utah. Bosh sucks, but we are getting Boozer and LBJ anyway. We don't need Bosh.

P.S. You have to be ************ kidding me.

If we lose Boozer, who will replace himm, Einstein????


I believe he answered your question in the very same post you are quoting him from...

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:As much as I would love to see Bosh here in Utah, we have as much of a chance at getting him here as we do winning the draft lottery with the NY pick.
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Since you don't have much of a shot at landing Bosh and you have 0 chance at landing Amare we might as well go after the next best thing and re-sign Boozer.
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Post#25 » by carrottop12 » Mon May 3, 2010 8:07 am

My guess is Boozer is gone, and the Jazz go into the season with an AK, Millsap, Fesenko, Koufos, and draft pick manning the big man rotation.

The Jazz resign Wes in the off season and probably let Korver, and Boozer walk. Unless trying to save money this year by trading Maynor and Brewer was to open up space for Boozer next year, looks to me like we have an owner who is more interested in saving money than competing for a championship.
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Post#26 » by Fido » Mon May 3, 2010 2:36 pm

Bat wrote:...Unless trying to save money this year by trading Maynor and Brewer was to open up space for Boozer next year, looks to me like we have an owner who is more interested in saving money than competing for a championship.

I can't believe you continue to beat this dead horse--especially when the facts don't back your position. The Jazz were in the top 10 in the league for total salary AFTER trading away Brewer and Maynor and would have been top 7 without it. They were top 5 going into the season along with Lakers, Mavs, Celtics, and Knicks. You act like the Millers are Donald Sterling or something.
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Post#27 » by StocktonShorts » Mon May 3, 2010 11:14 pm

After they traded Maynor I defended the Jazz organization, claimed that they weren't just being cheap; I even defended them after they traded Brewer, since I figured Wes and Korver could use the extra time and that they were able to get a decent asset in return.

The move that pushed me over the edge was Othyus Jeffers. It was at that point I knew exactly where the Jazz FO's priorities were. Rather than try to sign a veteran to fill their roster they grabbed another D-League scrub, all so they could save a few hundred thousand dollars.
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Post#28 » by QuantumMacgyver » Tue May 4, 2010 8:17 am

HappyProle wrote:After they traded Maynor I defended the Jazz organization, claimed that they weren't just being cheap; I even defended them after they traded Brewer, since I figured Wes and Korver could use the extra time and that they were able to get a decent asset in return.

The move that pushed me over the edge was Othyus Jeffers. It was at that point I knew exactly where the Jazz FO's priorities were. Rather than try to sign a veteran to fill their roster they grabbed another D-League scrub, all so they could save a few hundred thousand dollars.


It'd actually have been a few million dollars. Plus you don't know that the Jazz didn't try to sign somebody. Just cuz they didn't sign, doesn't mean they didn't try. Everyone who is complaining about how the Jazz don't care about winning and only care about saving money... you are sadly confused. The Jazz ended the season in the luxury tax as one of the highest paid rosters in the league, and you're gonna try and claim that they would rather save money than win? Do the math. The Jazz organization does what they have to to try and win games AND stay in business.

You whiners should look at the Knicks and Clippers, then complain about our team management. Or look at the Seattle Sonics... oh wait, they effed up so bad that Seattle fans don't even have a team to whine about anymore.
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Post#29 » by drivewayball » Tue May 4, 2010 11:36 am

Since you don't have much of a shot at landing Bosh and you have 0 chance at landing Amare we might as well go after the next best thing and re-sign Boozer. My take on Boozer is that he is the kind of player who will win you lots of regular season games and probably take you past the first round of the playoffs but not much further. Depending on matchups he could even take you past the second round but he is just simply too limited in too many different areas to take you much further. He is a great player but I don't see him as a dominating, super star caliber, championship caliber type player. He will bring us plenty of wins but I don't expect him to bring us a championship without some luck.[/quot

I don't understand this comment. I've already read that Utah has a dominating, super star caliber, championship type player in DWill. All the Jazz need is role players to surround him with.
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Post#30 » by shaolin34 » Tue May 4, 2010 1:49 pm

Would Utah look to trade Millsap if that meant they'd be able to keep Boozer? I'm sure he'd be an attractive trade piece and a couple of teams, including my Bucks, would make a play for him.
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Post#31 » by Soul Patch » Tue May 4, 2010 6:47 pm

I think trading Millsap would be a possibility. I can't think of anybody on the Bucks that I'd want outside of Bogut though.
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Post#32 » by countrybama24 » Wed May 5, 2010 12:01 am

Soul Patch wrote:I think trading Millsap would be a possibility. I can't think of anybody on the Bucks that I'd want outside of Bogut though.


Luc Mbah a Moute. Although the salaries don't match up, that dude is awesome. Durant said nobody defended him better all year. Great bench guy.


http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/05/03/the-l ... #more-2157

I posted that on another thread, but it seems relevant here.

Do the Jazz really need another scoring big who can't defend? I think we should re-sign boozer just because he's an asset, but I overwhelmingly favor a sign and trade than keeping him.

It is just factually correct that you're defense is gonna blow a little bit if Boozer is on the court, the sequence above demonstrates not only that Boozer can't contest or position correctly, but also that Millsap is a substantially better defender.

Don't get me wrong. Boozer is a fantastic offensive player, efficient, scores on anyone almost, just great. You simply cannot win a championship with him in the frontcourt unless you have a dominant defensive center. We've tried the "all offense, worry about defense later" strategy for 4 years.... why not just give this "get bigs who can defend" strategy a try?

Would I trade millsap for bogut and keep boozer? Absolutely, I know bogut will shield some of boozers liability on defense.

Are we going to get a top 10 center?

Probably not... in fact... definitely not. Unless we luck out in the draft, those players just can't be traded for without substantially overpaying (which we don't have enough assets, outside of deron, to pull off).
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Post#33 » by babyjax13 » Wed May 5, 2010 3:20 am

countrybama24 wrote:http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/05/03/the-l ... #more-2157

I posted that on another thread, but it seems relevant here.

Do the Jazz really need another scoring big who can't defend? I think we should re-sign boozer just because he's an asset, but I overwhelmingly favor a sign and trade than keeping him.

It is just factually correct that you're defense is gonna blow a little bit if Boozer is on the court, the sequence above demonstrates not only that Boozer can't contest or position correctly, but also that Millsap is a substantially better defender.


I can see where you are coming from, but I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. First, one of your biggest arguments is in regards to Pau Gasol. Boozer not being able to defend Gasol has no impact on his ability to be a game changer for this team. Gasol has consistently dominated against shorter opponents. Just look at his numbers against us (19p 17r 6a), Golden state (22p 11r 4a), Houston (30p 8r 2a), Milwaukee (26p 22r 4a), San Antonio (21p 13r 4a), Chicago (17p 15r 3a), Denver (19p 15r 4a), and all of the bottom feeders in the NBA. The problem is for most teams is that when you put your longest player on Pau (usually the center) you don't have a second player to match up with Bynum. Plus he has a great 14-18 foot jump shot and a nice baby hook. Without a Kevin Garnett orTyson Chandler type player defending him is really hard because he's fast and tall.

While it's true that without a DOMINANT post defender you can win a championship, but Millsap isn't the solution. Plus, without a scorer in the middle you can't win one either - Boozer is a part of a championship formula.

countrybama24 wrote:Don't get me wrong. Boozer is a fantastic offensive player, efficient, scores on anyone almost, just great. You simply cannot win a championship with him in the frontcourt unless you have a dominant defensive center. We've tried the "all offense, worry about defense later" strategy for 4 years.... why not just give this "get bigs who can defend" strategy a try?


What about going after a guy like Joel Pryzbilla or Samuel Dalembert? A center doesn't have to be an all-star to be a good defender, and one of those players would be on the market for much less than Boozer/Millsap. The only problem is finding matching salaries so we don't tread to close to the luxury tax. Defensive centers are a dime a dozen, it's ones that can score and play defense that are hard to find.

countrybama24 wrote:Would I trade millsap for bogut and keep boozer? Absolutely, I know bogut will shield some of boozers liability on defense.

Are we going to get a top 10 center?

Probably not... in fact... definitely not. Unless we luck out in the draft, those players just can't be traded for without substantially overpaying (which we don't have enough assets, outside of deron, to pull off).


Well a guy like Andrew Bogut may not be out there, but some of the best targets for the Jazz could be had pretty cheaply. I already mentioned a couple, but if we were to trade Millsap for one I would think that Andris Biendrins and a future pick/cash could be had for Millsap and a filler (say CJ).
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Post#34 » by Soul Patch » Wed May 5, 2010 6:37 am

Luc Mbah Moute would be redundant with AK on the roster. Bogut's defense and his passing would be an absolutely perfect fit on the Jazz. It's a wet dream though.
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Post#35 » by amk482 » Thu May 6, 2010 5:40 pm

Soul Patch wrote:I think trading Millsap would be a possibility. I can't think of anybody on the Bucks that I'd want outside of Bogut though.


NJ would be highly interested in milsap and they have tons of cap space and draft picks they could send in return. Could also include a player like CDR or perhpas Courtney Lee. Just throwing that out there.
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Post#36 » by dr0welf » Fri May 7, 2010 2:38 am

I don't see Millsap going anywhere. I would imagine for his cost vs. output the FO would keep Millsap over signing Boozer to 13M+. I can't blame them either. I like Boozer's offensive game, but I cheer more for Millsap and would prefer watching him play. Unless we recieved a Bogut type player for him, I'd rather not trade him. We need to keep one of Boozer or Millsap but not both and unless Boozer is ready to sign for 8-10M I don't want him.
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Post#37 » by freakazoid » Sat May 8, 2010 2:59 am

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HappyProle wrote:After they traded Maynor I defended the Jazz organization, claimed that they weren't just being cheap; I even defended them after they traded Brewer, since I figured Wes and Korver could use the extra time and that they were able to get a decent asset in return.

The move that pushed me over the edge was Othyus Jeffers. It was at that point I knew exactly where the Jazz FO's priorities were. Rather than try to sign a veteran to fill their roster they grabbed another D-League scrub, all so they could save a few hundred thousand dollars.


It'd actually have been a few million dollars. Plus you don't know that the Jazz didn't try to sign somebody. Just cuz they didn't sign, doesn't mean they didn't try. Everyone who is complaining about how the Jazz don't care about winning and only care about saving money... you are sadly confused. The Jazz ended the season in the luxury tax as one of the highest paid rosters in the league, and you're gonna try and claim that they would rather save money than win? Do the math. The Jazz organization does what they have to to try and win games AND stay in business.

You whiners should look at the Knicks and Clippers, then complain about our team management. Or look at the Seattle Sonics... oh wait, they effed up so bad that Seattle fans don't even have a team to whine about anymore.


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Post#38 » by Wolverine » Sun May 9, 2010 3:10 am

Let him go, make a run at Joe Johnson
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Post#39 » by Sloanfeld » Sun May 9, 2010 3:16 am

It sucks that it has to end against the Lakers now everyone won't want him. "What have you done for me lately?"

Boozer is very effective against 28 teams.
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Post#40 » by babyjax13 » Sun May 9, 2010 4:17 am

Wolverine wrote:Let him go, make a run at Joe Johnson


We can't. The only reason we can resign Boozer is because we own his Bird Rights.
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