2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

vincecarter4pres · Post #201 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat May 8, 2010 3:55 am

Pondexter is certainly not a shooter, this is true, but his form is solid and he has improved year by year. I could see him adding the three ball to his repotoire, but yeah, he's not the guy to look at if you're drafting a three point shooter.
Luke Babbitt on the other hand...

Preludepunk27 · Post #202 » by **Preludepunk27** » Sat May 8, 2010 6:00 pm

Netsdaily says we worked out Jordan Crawford the other day. I'd be fine with him with Dallas's pick or if he dropped to round 2 (Unlikely but you never know). I don't think Lebron would be too happy though lol.

demens · Post #203 » by **demens** » Sat May 8, 2010 8:09 pm

I'm curious why some people talk about players dropping or not like they have some inside info or something. Why exactly is it unlikely that Crawford will be a 2nd rounder. DraftExpress, NBADraft.net and ESPN all have him from 32 to 37. What exactly do you know that they dont?

deviljets7 · Post #204 » by **deviljets7** » Sat May 8, 2010 8:12 pm

demens wrote:I'm curious why some people talk about players dropping or not like they have some inside info or something. Why exactly is it unlikely that Crawford will be a 2nd rounder. DraftExpress, NBADraft.net and ESPN all have him from 32 to 37. What exactly do you know that they dont?

I found the Crawford comment amusing because there is only a 4 pick drop between the DAL pick and our 2nd rounder. As if its impossible for a guy available at 27 to fall all the way to 31

Sharcm1 · Post #205 » by **Sharcm1** » Sun May 9, 2010 1:33 pm

If we get Wall with the first pick then a shooting SF and a good PF should be our next two picks. It doesn't matter which order. But we don't need another small 2/3 we have three of them. Lee is the shooter we need at the 2 spot and williams can be the slasher scorer we need at that spot. Now it would be great if we could combine the two and add CDR's moving without the ball and we would have a great 2 guard. But if we draft lets say evan turner then we need to trade one or two of those players.

Draft needs are a point guard that can actually run a team, a sf that is a sf and can shoot and a pf that can rebound and shoot.

Preludepunk27 · Post #206 » by **Preludepunk27** » Sun May 9, 2010 4:15 pm

I probably worded the crawford comment wrong, but I honestly don't think he'll be there at Dallas's pick either. The kid was up and down a lot during the season but the talent is clearly there. He had a great NCAA tourney which can erase people's memories of an up and down season (see: Tyrus Thomas). Based his ability to attack and get to the rim basically at will as good as anyone in this draft, after his work outs, I can see this kid going anywhere between 12-20 to tell you the truth. I know that is a big range, but I don't see this kid being there at either of our picks. I want a PF with Dallas's pick so that is probably why I referenced our 2nd round pick, but I honestly don't think he'll be there for either.

NetsForce · Post #207 » by **NetsForce** » Sun May 9, 2010 5:54 pm

Crawford plays like Jamal Crawford in that he can't distinguish between a good and bad shot and has sticky fingers.

As a later draft pick I could live with him but I'd probably end up hating him after about a month.

deviljets7 · Post #208 » by **deviljets7** » Sun May 9, 2010 11:50 pm

Sharcm1 wrote:If we get Wall with the first pick then a shooting SF and a good PF should be our next two picks. It doesn't matter which order. But we don't need another small 2/3 we have three of them. Lee is the shooter we need at the 2 spot and williams can be the slasher scorer we need at that spot. Now it would be great if we could combine the two and add CDR's moving without the ball and we would have a great 2 guard. But if we draft lets say evan turner then we need to trade one or two of those players.

Draft needs are a point guard that can actually run a team, a sf that is a sf and can shoot and a pf that can rebound and shoot.

Considering how few picks outside of the top 15-20 become players of note, you take the best players available at 27 and 31. You don't pigeon hole yourself into position need at that part of the draft.

vincecarter4pres · Post #209 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Mon May 10, 2010 12:23 am

deviljets7 wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:If we get Wall with the first pick then a shooting SF and a good PF should be our next two picks. It doesn't matter which order. But we don't need another small 2/3 we have three of them. Lee is the shooter we need at the 2 spot and williams can be the slasher scorer we need at that spot. Now it would be great if we could combine the two and add CDR's moving without the ball and we would have a great 2 guard. But if we draft lets say evan turner then we need to trade one or two of those players.

Draft needs are a point guard that can actually run a team, a sf that is a sf and can shoot and a pf that can rebound and shoot.

Considering how few picks outside of the top 15-20 become players of note, you take the best players available at 27 and 31. You don't pigeon hole yourself into position need at that part of the draft.

Yup yup.

demens · Post #210 » by **demens** » Mon May 10, 2010 12:53 am

deviljets7 wrote:
Considering how few picks outside of the top 15-20 become players of note

nonsense.

vincecarter4pres · Post #211 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue May 11, 2010 7:56 pm

LOL, found this link on NetsDaily...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X0mjkVyBqY&NR=1

vincecarter4pres · Post #212 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:02 pm

demens wrote:
deviljets7 wrote:
Considering how few picks outside of the top 15-20 become players of note

nonsense.

Haha, prove him wrong...

demens · Post #213 » by **demens** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:10 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
demens wrote:
deviljets7 wrote:
Considering how few picks outside of the top 15-20 become players of note

nonsense.

Haha, prove him wrong...

I did a while ago at ND when discussing Thorns draft misses. Dont feel like doing the research again. Can't find the original 1, its probably really old. But here is one talking about guys outside the top 20 from the past 5 years only.

http://forums.netsdaily.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3874

There is a TON of talent late in the draft, you just gotta know how to find it. Going from legit stars to solid starters to great bench rotational players.

vincecarter4pres · Post #214 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:15 pm

Dude, like at least 70% of those guys are bench fodder that will be lucky to be in the NBA after their rookie contracts run out, they are not players of note.
Compare a real list of quality players outside the top 20 to a list of quality players within the first 20 picks and those lists and the comparison between them will tell a different story entirely.

demens · Post #215 » by **demens** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:22 pm

Really, you mean there are more quality top 15 draftees then outside the top 20? You dont say.

Plus the list is only for the past 5 years and it does not include guys picked 15 to 20. To say 70% of them will be lucky to be in the nba is insane. There are maybe 10 guys at most on the whole list that MAYBE could be out of the league at some point although i doubt that very much.

vincecarter4pres · Post #216 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:31 pm

Regardless, how many of those guys are "players of note"?
What do you consider a player of note?
A 12 to 15mpg rotation bench guy that is at the end of a ten man rotation?
I mean like literally 90% of those guys are standard issue, no name, bench players that are always there and pretty much completely interchangeable with each other, they are not special players or "players of note" and that is what we are discussing here.
If your argument is real NBA players come out of the end of the draft, of course you're right, I mean that is how most of the league gets into the NBA, the draft.
But you are specifically arguing that a lot of "players of note" come out of the 21 to 60 pick range and no matter what way you slice it, you're wrong and you are disproving your own theory with said list.

demens · Post #217 » by **demens** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:49 pm

There are over 60 players in that list. Not even half of them are 12-15 rotation bench guys. Not sure how you are seeing 90% or 70% who are lucky to be in the league.

If its about semantics and what "players of note" actually is then so be it. How many players of note are there in the nba to begin with? Plenty of the guys on that list are legit 30+ mpg starters. And like i said, this is from the past 5 years only. Give them time to develop and some, like George Hill or Darren Collison might be all-stars 1 day. As for some of the guys thats been in the league more then 2 years, guys like Wilson Chandler, Arron Brooks, Cal Landry, Marc Gasol, Rondo, Milsap, David Lee, Monte Ellis, Andre Blatche? Those guys are standard issue?

deviljets7 · Post #218 » by **deviljets7** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:09 pm

I think there might have been some misinterpretation of my comments and some poor word choice by me.

Player of note wasn't the best choice of words. However, how many guys drafted are draft in the range of the DAL/2nd round picks or later that become above-average starters or better? There are very few of those in each draft.

Demens,

My point isn't that we should dump those picks because the odds of the pick being a key player is a long shot. My point was that at that point in the draft, you go best player available regardless of position. It was in response to a post saying that we should target certain players with picks 27/31.

demens · Post #219 » by **demens** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:15 pm

Check that link. The guys in blue were all drafted after the 27th pick. I stick by what i said, there is plenty of talent to be had at those picks. With as deep as this draft is especially.

Sharcm1 · Post #220 » by **Sharcm1** » Wed May 12, 2010 1:08 pm

Just a small list of guys that were picked outside the lottery over the years.
- Latrell sprewell, P.J. Brown, Sam Cassell, Theo Ratliff, Michael Finley, Zach Randolph, Gerald Wallace, Sam Dalembert, Tony Parker, Mehmet Okur, Tayshaun Prince, Luis Scola, David West, Boris Diaw, steve nash, Jermaine O'neal, Z Ilgaskas, Bobby Jackson, Stephen Jackson, Rashard Lewis, Ron artest, A Kirilenko, Manu Ginobili, Hido Turkoglu, Michael Redd, Barbosa, Josh Howard, Josh Smith, JR smith, jameer nelson, kevin martin, david lee, andray blatche and Rajon Rondo.

Thats only the top players starting from the 1991 draft to now all picked after 15 some in the late second round. There are so many other players that I didn't list that are good players. These are some of the very good players.

I'll take the chances. I do agree that we should take best available but we should concentrate on our needs. Pg that can pass and run a team, An actual SF that can shoot and defend and a PF that can rebound, defend and hopefully step out and give space to brook.

We don't need to get all these things in the draft. But I don't want them drafting another small 2/3 that is an ok player. we have 3 of them and I think the 2 guard position is Williams position anyway. He is our future 2 guard.