Retro Player of the Year Project

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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#201 » by ElGee » Sat May 8, 2010 8:07 pm

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Sedale Threatt wrote:What about starting a new thread on the same day the previous one finishes. Monday morning to Wednesday morning, Wednesday afternoon to Friday afternoon. A nice, tight schedule, with no real overlap and no need for a break with weekends off.


Okay, first, if we're going this approach seems like we should plan to have no downtime at all, and we should also make sure to maximize time on the weekend thread. So I'm going to propose:

Mon morning to Wed morning
Wed morning to Fri morning
Fri morning to Mon morning

Let me know if you like/dislike.

Second, let me know your thoughts on a break if we switch to this schedule. Does it render the break unnecessary? If not, how long of a break are you thinking of? 1/3 of a week? 2/3? A full week?


If we do a schedule like this, I'd like a break -- even if just for the weekend, although maybe a Mon-Fri would be ideal. I think this would not only allow for downtime from the project, but a little time to prepare ahead. I'd like to have done some review and preparation before we start a year, and I don't feel like I'm there right now.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#202 » by Gongxi » Sat May 8, 2010 8:14 pm

I feel bad reading all this and having Doc beseech people for input so he can run this smoother and just not say anything. So I'll just say I really don't care. I can see the argument for taking a break; I can also see the argument for maintaining momentum. Either way is fine as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#203 » by Doctor MJ » Sun May 9, 2010 3:07 am

semi-sentient wrote:Have more participants been added or is the list on page 1 up to date?

Was Tesla added?


Yes, and now sp6r=underrated. I've updated the first post.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#204 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun May 9, 2010 3:26 am

If you look back at my suggestion, I was only calling for two years a week -- Mon. morning to Wed. morning, then Wed. afternoon to Friday afternoon. With nothing on the weekends, to let us all go about our business.

This is what I'd go for, myself. But I don't have a big problem with three a week, either.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#205 » by Doctor MJ » Sun May 9, 2010 3:36 am

Okay, I just want to make sure people see the whole picture here. If we do 2 per week, then I'd expect we'd get to 1955 in November. Doing 1 per 2 days, we get there in August. I'm patient, so what I'm looking for here is the best results. If people tell me they'll burn out unless we go to 2 per week, I'm game, but people should let me know their concerns generally.

One question I also want on people's minds is the length of the project, and what people themselves can stick to. It's possible that doing the full history in one project is unrealistic.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#206 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun May 9, 2010 3:42 am

That is most definitely a factor. I think expedience is definitely a very good reason to do three. I was just pointing out that weekends off gives us the built-in break some were clamoring for.

Either way, the big thing was to eliminate the overlap. That's done, so it's just a matter preference at this point. I'm in it for the long haul so I'd probably lean toward two a week. But I certainly don't have a problem with three.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#207 » by TMACFORMVP » Sun May 9, 2010 9:26 pm

The dolem.com/POY page is AWESOME.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#208 » by bastillon » Sun May 9, 2010 9:30 pm

I think we should get to 2002. not necessarily we'll speed things up as far as the whole project, because we can still finish that year on friday or whatever. it just seems like there's nothing more to talk about in 2003. we don't know whether we'll take a break in the future or not. time's important.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#209 » by Doctor MJ » Mon May 10, 2010 3:43 am

Okay, here's what I'm thinking:

We go with the Mon-Wed, Wed-Fri, Fri-Mon schedule, with Fri-Mon being a break every other week. This would mean we'd get through a half decade and one break every two weeks which seems pretty reasonable. To me the big concern here is that that would mean inconsistency on weekends. Let me know if you think this is a problem.

If we do this, then I'm thinking, we'll start that this week with a break this next weekend. Regardless, the next thread will start tomorrow morning.

If it is a problem at this point I'm inclined to just take breaks on all weekends.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#210 » by NO-KG-AI » Mon May 10, 2010 5:33 am

If it's a boring year that is clearcut and you guys come to conclusions pretty quick, you should try and see if most of you are just ready to vote and just move on, instead of unnecessarily dragging it out.

That way you can have good discussion on the interesting years and take your time, and you can still zoom through the others.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#211 » by Jimmy76 » Mon May 10, 2010 8:13 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:If it's a boring year that is clearcut and you guys come to conclusions pretty quick, you should try and see if most of you are just ready to vote and just move on, instead of unnecessarily dragging it out.

That way you can have good discussion on the interesting years and take your time, and you can still zoom through the others.

2000 should be a 3 page thread about 2-5
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#212 » by Gongxi » Mon May 10, 2010 8:52 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:If it's a boring year that is clearcut and you guys come to conclusions pretty quick, you should try and see if most of you are just ready to vote and just move on, instead of unnecessarily dragging it out.

That way you can have good discussion on the interesting years and take your time, and you can still zoom through the others.


I guess it's boring at #1 (I think 1-3 are very debatable, but whatever), it still seems most voters think 2-5 are debatable, so I don't understand the rush to move on. We're starting voting for 01-02 tomorrow, right? I think we can live.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#213 » by Doctor MJ » Mon May 10, 2010 4:14 pm

Re: Moving ahead during boring years. I'll consider it in the future, I don't think it makes sense now. We've yet to have a year that doesn't have major discussion - and the goal isn't just to find the winner but get everyone's votes for the top 5. Add to that we'll soon be moving to 2-day threads in some cases, I think we'll be just fine.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#214 » by Silver Bullet » Mon May 10, 2010 7:07 pm

Jimmy76 wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:If it's a boring year that is clearcut and you guys come to conclusions pretty quick, you should try and see if most of you are just ready to vote and just move on, instead of unnecessarily dragging it out.

That way you can have good discussion on the interesting years and take your time, and you can still zoom through the others.

2000 should be a 3 page thread about 2-5


not really dude -

drza alone will have 3 pages of posts explaining why he think Garnett deserves MVP because he played with the worst supporting cast in history -
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#215 » by drza » Mon May 10, 2010 7:29 pm

Silver Bullet wrote:
Jimmy76 wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:If it's a boring year that is clearcut and you guys come to conclusions pretty quick, you should try and see if most of you are just ready to vote and just move on, instead of unnecessarily dragging it out.

That way you can have good discussion on the interesting years and take your time, and you can still zoom through the others.

2000 should be a 3 page thread about 2-5


not really dude -

drza alone will have 3 pages of posts explaining why he think Garnett deserves MVP because he played with the worst supporting cast in history -


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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#216 » by Dr Positivity » Mon May 10, 2010 8:02 pm

Gotta love that dolem site. Poor Kobe, the bridesmaid 3 straight years, plus he's literally a bridesmaid

I think KG's 04 pic should be in a Wolves jersey btw
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#217 » by semi-sentient » Tue May 11, 2010 1:55 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:Gotta love that dolem site. Poor Kobe, the bridesmaid 3 straight years, plus he's literally a bridesmaid

I think KG's 04 pic should be in a Wolves jersey btw


Yeah, that's a problem. Right now it's data driven, so I'm displaying images by FirstLast.jpg format, which means I can only use one image (there's ways around that). I also don't have the team associations for players which would come in handy once I get the "yearly" display working right.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#218 » by Gongxi » Tue May 11, 2010 7:15 am

I would just suggest keeping the voting poll open for awhile. Seems as if we've lost 5 folks already and we're getting dangerously close to one fanbase accounting for like 25% of the voters. Not good.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#219 » by semi-sentient » Tue May 11, 2010 2:11 pm

^^^ True, but it hasn't skewed the results much (you're undoubtedly referring to 5 of the voters being Lakers fans). There's been a little bit of haterism to counter the homerism so it's been balanced out.

I would like to see more diversity though, and it'd be great if everyone told us which team they supported so I could update the site. :)
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Re: Retro Player of the Year Project 

Post#220 » by Baller 24 » Tue May 11, 2010 2:34 pm

I was looking through the next couple of seasons, '00-'01 has about 7 players that are top 5 worthy, so it's going to be tough choosing between them, with of course one name being the most prominent choice. '99-'00 I see one player that is for sure at the very top, but afterwards it kind of gets a little iffy in terms of production and talent. '99 is pretty good, first season post-Jordan, it seems the shift of power went from the perimeter to the post throughout the season.
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