Likelihood of Jefferson being moved this summer

[mattle]

Is he untouchable or can he be moved? Some rumors in OKC about willingness to deal Green and or Collison and picks.

[C.lupus]

He's not untouchable but Green or Collison + picks will not get him to OKC.

[Krapinsky]

He can be moved in the right deal, but it is a matter of fact that we would not deal him to OKC for a package centered around Jeff Green and the one year left on his deal.

An offer of Harden + Ibaka gets us talking.

[LOBO 7]

Nobody on our roster is untouchable. However, I don't think we'll move Al unless it's for a very good package. In OKC, that package would probably have to include Ibaka AND Green.

[mattle]

He can be moved in the right deal, but it is a matter of fact that we would not deal him to OKC for a package centered around Jeff Green and the one year left on his deal.

An offer of Harden + Ibaka gets us talking.

Maybe before the ACL injury, but he didn't come back at 20 and 10. 17 and 9 is closer to Jeff Green+ value.

My thinking is that you wouldn't want 12 million riding on those knees, especially if you can pick up Cousins in the draft. Of course if you draft Turner, Evans, or Johnson then there's no reason to trade Jefferson unless you are getting low post help in return.

[LOBO 7]

He can be moved in the right deal, but it is a matter of fact that we would not deal him to OKC for a package centered around Jeff Green and the one year left on his deal.

An offer of Harden + Ibaka gets us talking.

Maybe before the ACL injury, but he didn't come back at 20 and 10. 17 and 9 is closer to Jeff Green+ value.

My thinking is that you wouldn't want 12 million riding on those knees, especially if you can pick up Cousins in the draft. Of course if you draft Turner, Evans, or Johnson then there's no reason to trade Jefferson unless you are getting low post help in return.

Yeah, so much depends on the draft for us, that it's hard to say who we will look to move. I, personally, strongly believe that Khan will do whatever it takes to get Turner, so depending on how the lottery shakes out, we may need to move some pieces to get him. If we stay at #2, most of us believe that either Love or Al will be moved, but until after the draft none of us can even speculate because there are so many options for us, and this is probably going to be the busiest offseason in our franchise's history. That's why nobody is untouchable, except maybe people who don't play for us yet (Rubio and Turner).

[C.lupus]

^what LOBO said. Also, Al doesn't have to be moved. If Kahn doesn't get an offer with what he deems fair value, then he just keeps Al.. It's not like he's bad. He improved throughout the season and he and Darko played well together.

[Krapinsky]

Perosnally, before his injury I would have snuffed at the thought of trading him for Harden AND Ibaka. I still fairly confident he'll kep improving next year. Some addec outside shooting through the draft/free agency will surely help him. People point to his knee as being the sole reason that his stats dropped, but they tend to forget we also traded our two best perimeter shooters.

[slinky]

Maybe before the ACL injury, but he didn't come back at 20 and 10. 17 and 9 is closer to Jeff Green+ value.

My thinking is that you wouldn't want 12 million riding on those knees, especially if you can pick up Cousins in the draft. Of course if you draft Turner, Evans, or Johnson then there's no reason to trade Jefferson unless you are getting low post help in return.

For November, December and February, he averaged 19 and 10...so that leads me to believe that he still has it in him, and recovered to that point. He didnt finsih that well, so there are some concerns, but I am of the mindset that with an offseason to rest his knee a bit, he will be back and ready to go after that 1 more basket and 1 more rebound that you think lowers his trade value...

[cpfsf]

He can be moved in the right deal, but it is a matter of fact that we would not deal him to OKC for a package centered around Jeff Green and the one year left on his deal.

An offer of Harden + Ibaka gets us talking.

I thought that would have been a Kevin Love possibility too.

[younggunsmn]

He isn't untouchable, but OKC will pay a premium for dealing with us compared to other teams.
Green has lost some of his shine with that awful playoff series, and with one year left on his rookie deal, he isn't what we're looking for. We aren't interested in any small assets or a salary dump. Ibaka + Harden would be intriguing, but that largely hinges on Ibaka reaching his potential, I don't think either team would do that deal.

[Krapinsky]

He isn't untouchable, but OKC will pay a premium for dealing with us compared to other teams.
Green has lost some of his shine with that awful playoff series, and with one year left on his rookie deal, he isn't what we're looking for. We aren't interested in any small assets or a salary dump. Ibaka + Harden would be intriguing, but that largely hinges on Ibaka reaching his potential, I don't think either team would do that deal.

I like Harden and Ibaka, but it's unlikely either will ever be as good as Big Al, which is why I think it's fair for both sides. Usually the team getting best player gets the better end of the trade. I'm sure Portland fans wished they would have combined some of their assets for a better, more proven player when all their young guys still had all that upside. Look at them now -- Bayless, Oden, Fernandez, Webster -- all our pretty meh these days. Batum is the only one left that still has the upside, but this'll be just another case of history repeating itself.

[younggunsmn]

Yeah, usually the team taking back the lesser assets loses the deal. If Al regained form, we'd be handing OKC a dynasty. That is the danger. Of course his poor D could also blow a hole in their chemistry. Being in a small market and needing to extend Durant, Westbrook, and possibly Green, I don't see them taking Jefferson's contract. OKC is one of those teams it's scary dealing with because you don't want to make them so good you can never beat them, even if it helps improve your team.
Plus Presti is a pretty smart GM, you aren't pulling one over on him like we did to Washington and NO last summer.

[shrink]

Maybe before the ACL injury, but he didn't come back at 20 and 10. 17 and 9 is closer to Jeff Green+ value.

My thinking is that you wouldn't want 12 million riding on those knees, especially if you can pick up Cousins in the draft. Of course if you draft Turner, Evans, or Johnson then there's no reason to trade Jefferson unless you are getting low post help in return.

I don't worry that much about the knee because Jefferson had another season where he didn't miss a single game because of injury. You realize how unusual that is, I hope. He also worked hard in the off-season to get back on the floor months ahead of time, and that work ethic (you don't think a player is born with all those post moves), and I think that's a big plus. Finally, as Jefferson got healthier, his numbers got better and better .. at least until the death of the grandmother that raised him.

NOV: FG 46.9%, 7.8 RPG, 16.6 PPG
DEC: FG 49.6%, 10.2 RPG, 18.7 PPG
JAN: FG 50.2%, 11.6 RPG, 18.8 PPG
FEB: FG 51.9%, 7.2 RPG, 14.3 PPG
MAR: FG 54.1%, 10.1 RPG, 19.2 PPG

He finished at

2009-10: FG 49.8%, 9.3 RPG, 17.1 PPG

.. which isn't the all star caliber numbers of the previous two years, but with all the challenges this season and his tremendous work ethic, I see no reason the 25 year old can't meet or exceed his numbers from the two previous seasons.

2007-08: FG 50.0%, 11.1 RPG, 21.0 PPG
2008-09: FG 49.7% 11.0 RPG, 23.1 PPG


Jeff Green plus? No. Jefferson's abilities are far too hard to replace. I agree with Krapinsky that the win-later Ibaka and Harden would be a starting place to get you the low post presence that you desperately needed in the play-offs to make Durant and Westbrook better.

[yojimbo]

Although he's been in the league a while, I wonder if many discount the possibility that Al still has a lot to learn. Imagine how unstoppable he would be if he remembers he has a left arm this summer, and learns to use it.

[blueandgold]

Pacer Fan here:

How about TJ Ford (experience + expiring), Foster (expiring) and our #10 lottery pick (your already have 2, 16 and 23)

for

Flynn, Jefferson (4 year deal) and your #23 (you then get 2, 10 and 16)

[AQuintus]

Pacer Fan here:

How about TJ Ford (experience + expiring), Foster (expiring) and our #10 lottery pick (your already have 2, 16 and 23)

for

Flynn, Jefferson (4 year deal) and your #23 (you then get 2, 10 and 16)

No

Flynn + 23 = or > 10

Jefferson >> expirings

[Twolves98]

Pacer Fan here:

How about TJ Ford (experience + expiring), Foster (expiring) and our #10 lottery pick (your already have 2, 16 and 23)

for

Flynn, Jefferson (4 year deal) and your #23 (you then get 2, 10 and 16)

NO, we only get the 10 pick and we loose Flynn and Jefferson, both are worth more than that

[LOBO 7]

Pacer Fan here:

How about TJ Ford (experience + expiring), Foster (expiring) and our #10 lottery pick (your already have 2, 16 and 23)

for

Flynn, Jefferson (4 year deal) and your #23 (you then get 2, 10 and 16)

With both Flynn and Jefferson in the conversation, Granger would have to be in the conversation.

[Vindicater]

If we get the #1 pick I say we go strong after the #2 pick with

Flynn/Jefferson/#16 pick