Jalen Rose: Joe is done with the Hawks

[HoopsGuru25]

Wow. Save your money, stop buying lottery tickets and start a savings account.

Does New Jersey not have Devin Harris and Brook Lopez? Does Minnesota not have Al Jefferson and Kevin Love? GS w/ Steph Curry and Monta Ellis? Didn't Portland have Aldridge,Randolph,and Roy? Didn't Toronto have Bosh,etc?

[ATLballer]

The thing is...there are cities like New York,Chicago,Miami,and LA with the money available to offer Joe. It would take a number of breaks to happen for us to even get the chance to negotiate a sign and trade with a team like Denver or Portland.

It doesn't matter what team has money to offer Joe a max contract since we can offer more money regardless with the extra year to make it a 6yr deal. We have very good leverage to do a SNT with Joe if he decides to leave. He wants the extra year and money on his contract and we don't want to lose him for NOTHING.

[HoopsGuru25]

Who the hell is going to offer Joe Johnson 6 years at max money?

EDIT:While giving up cheap young talent like Bayless,JR Smith,Lawson,etc in the process?

[parson]

Sure, but Joe doesn't want to lose anymore. I can't think of an option that allows him to go to a playoff team without involving a SNT.

New York always dreams that every FA is frothing at the mouth to play there but rarely do they see it come to fruition. If Joe goes there, he'll be Allan Houston II.

CHI is flawed and needs more than Joe to be even a 2nd round playoff team.

MIA is a terrible mix, since I don't believe Wade will agree to play PG.

The Clippers have a joke of an owner who'll never let that team win AND a terrific prospect at SG already.

PLUS, Joe gets more money and more years in a SNT.

[parson]

Wow. Save your money, stop buying lottery tickets and start a savings account.

Does New Jersey not have Devin Harris and Brook Lopez? Does Minnesota not have Al Jefferson and Kevin Love? GS w/ Steph Curry and Monta Ellis? Didn't Portland have Aldridge,Randolph,and Roy? Didn't Toronto have Bosh,etc?

Not one of those players you mentioned were #1 overall. You're making me chase the wind to discuss this with you.

[parson]

Who the hell is going to offer Joe Johnson 6 years at max money?

Well, if Joe can be signed for $14-16 million, why shouldn't we keep him?

[HoopsGuru25]

Wow. Save your money, stop buying lottery tickets and start a savings account.

Does New Jersey not have Devin Harris and Brook Lopez? Does Minnesota not have Al Jefferson and Kevin Love? GS w/ Steph Curry and Monta Ellis? Didn't Portland have Aldridge,Randolph,and Roy? Didn't Toronto have Bosh,etc?

Not one of those players you mentioned were #1 overall. You're making me chase the wind to discuss this with you.

I don't understand what you were asking. You asked how could you get the number one pick and still have a star prospect available. It sounds like you were insulating that the Hawks couldn't possibly get the number one pick with young talent as good as Horford and Smith on the roster.

Well, if Joe can be signed for $14-16 million, why shouldn't we keep him?

Because the Hawks attendance sucks and they couldn't come within 10 points in any game of the 2nd round when the entire team was healthy?

[parson]

I see what you're saying. You thought I meant that a TALENTED team would not have a chance for the #1 overall pick. What I actually meant was sometimes a team gets the 1st pick but there's no available star to draft. I meant just getting the #1 does not equal drafting a Michael Jordan. I was saying that we could work hard to get the best pick, only to have a poor draft class to select from.

I'm sorry I was unclear.

But I still contend that blowing up the team in hopes of getting that superstar draftpick is a crapshoot; probably a 6-year crapshoot.

[ATLballer]

Who the hell is going to offer Joe Johnson 6 years at max money?

EDIT:While giving up cheap young talent like Bayless,JR Smith,Lawson,etc in the process?

You honestly don't think some team with tons of capspace (chicago, miami, NY etc.) is not going to offer JJ a max 5yr contract if they miss out on Lebron? Your kidding yourself son! This is the NBA where GM's ALWAYS OVERPAY for players. We can offer him an extra year to make it 6 yr contract since we have his bird rights so if another team wants him they will have to do a SNT. A SNT is almost guaranteed here if JJ wants to go to another team that offers him a max contract.

[HoopsGuru25]

My expectations aren't for the Hawks to "blow it up and draft a Lebron type player". I'm just of the belief that the only value that regular seasons wins have is to show how closer you are to a championship and how much money you're bringing in through ticket sales. Joe(and the team in general) played like crap in the playoffs and the fans did not show the type of support that usually go along with 47 and 53 win teams in good markets. I don't see how it makes sense for the Hawks from a basketball or financial perspective to bring him back.

You honestly don't think some team with tons of capspace (chicago, miami, NY etc.) is not going to offer JJ a max 5yr contract if they miss out on Lebron? Your kidding yourself son! This is the NBA where GM's ALWAYS OVERPAY for players. We can offer him an extra year to make it 6 yr contract since we have his bird rights so if another team wants him they will have to do a SNT. A SNT is almost guaranteed here if JJ wants to go to another team that offers him a max contract.

You're making my point for me. Chicago,LAC,Miami,and New York could offer Joe 5 years at around 95 million. He could just accept that offer and the Hawks would get nothing in return besides a trade exception if they're lucky. I think 5/95 is his best case scenario. To think that another team wants him bad enough to give him a 6 year max and give up cheap young talent in return is laughable.

[HoopsGuru25]

I actually think the 5/95 is the most the Hawks could offer in a 5 year deal. I'm not sure how that would translate to another team.

[ATLballer]

My expectations aren't for the Hawks to "blow it up and draft a Lebron type player". I'm just of the belief that the only value that regular seasons wins have is to show how closer you are to a championship and how much money you're bringing in through ticket sales. Joe(and the team in general) played like crap in the playoffs and the fans did not show the type of support that usually go along with 47 and 53 win teams in good markets. I don't see how it makes sense for the Hawks from a basketball or financial perspective to bring him back.

You honestly don't think some team with tons of capspace (chicago, miami, NY etc.) is not going to offer JJ a max 5yr contract if they miss out on Lebron? Your kidding yourself son! This is the NBA where GM's ALWAYS OVERPAY for players. We can offer him an extra year to make it 6 yr contract since we have his bird rights so if another team wants him they will have to do a SNT. A SNT is almost guaranteed here if JJ wants to go to another team that offers him a max contract.

You're making my point for me. Chicago,LAC,Miami,and New York could offer Joe 5 years at around 95 million. He could just accept that offer and the Hawks would get nothing in return besides a trade exception if they're lucky. I think 5/95 is his best case scenario. To think that another team wants him bad enough to give him a 6 year max and give up cheap young talent in return is laughable.

Well i believe diferently. If Rashard Lewis can get a MAX deal then JJ could easily. IF someone offered Joe a 5 yr deal around 95mil then I'm ATL would offer more and i believe the other team would match it therefore a SNT would need to be done if Joe siad he wnat to stay in the ATL. Same thing happend when he came here 5yrs ago in a SNT.

[evildallas]

Who the hell is going to offer Joe Johnson 6 years at max money?

Well, if Joe can be signed for $14-16 million, why shouldn't we keep him?

Doesn't pack the stands, not marketable enough for that investment.
Doesn't get to the line, just a jump shooter.
He shrinks at playoff time.
Likely to have a large drop-off in play during middle of contract given age/position/amount of wear.
Has put up numbers in an iso system tailored more him and has already proven to be a ball stopper on offense.
His defensive effectiveness has dropped over the last few seasons.

Those are just the quick responses to why not pay him $16M per.

[ATL DirtyBird]

Who the hell is going to offer Joe Johnson 6 years at max money?

Well, if Joe can be signed for $14-16 million, why shouldn't we keep him?

Doesn't pack the stands, not marketable enough for that investment.
Doesn't get to the line, just a jump shooter.
He shrinks at playoff time.
Likely to have a large drop-off in play during middle of contract given age/position/amount of wear.
Has put up numbers in an iso system tailored more him and has already proven to be a ball stopper on offense.
His defensive effectiveness has dropped over the last few seasons.

Those are just the quick responses to why not pay him $16M per.

How about his lack of leadership?
His willingness to settle for his jumper is horrible, like you said. Your go to guy has to get to the line. CYA JOE!