Retro Player of the Year Project

[sp6r=underrated]

IP check on these jokers, I don't trust them!

Where is "Doctor MJ"

[Tim_Hardawayy]

99-00 thread coming up, I'm excited to see where Zo places. Will be incredibly annoyed (but not at all surprised) if Silver Bullet tries to place Kobe over him.

[NO-KG-AI]

I'm starting to think he's not even really a real "Doctor"...

[sp6r=underrated]

99-00 thread coming up, I'm excited to see where Zo places. Will be incredibly annoyed (but not at all surprised) if Silver Bullet tries to place Kobe over him.

I have Zo very high in 99 and 00. Shame about his kidney aliment (beyond the obvious impact it had on his life), but I had him pegged as a guy who could have been top 5 until 02. The slow pace of the heat really masks how good Alonzo was those two seasons.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

99-00 thread coming up, I'm excited to see where Zo places. Will be incredibly annoyed (but not at all surprised) if Silver Bullet tries to place Kobe over him.

I have Zo very high in 99 and 00. Shame about his kidney aliment (beyond the obvious impact it had on his life), but I had him pegged as a guy who could have been top 5 until 02. The slow pace of the heat really masks how good Alonzo was those two seasons.

I might chime in to argue for him a bit although I think I'm just going to ignore SB. The thing about it is while his numbers in 99 and 00 look similar to the rest of his career, our pace as a team was actually slowing, and his efficiency and defense were both improving.

In 95-96, when he first got to Miami, he was really raw on offense, more of a faceup guy who depended on athleticism and a shaky jumper. By the end of the decade, he had some solid go-to post moves, improved his handle and ability to drive to the basket, and still got better on defense every year.

Playing next to a guy like P.J. Brown hurt his rebounding numbers some, though I'll concede he wasn't an all-time great rebounder or anything.

K that's enough thread derail from me.

[semi-sentient]

99-00 thread coming up, I'm excited to see where Zo places. Will be incredibly annoyed (but not at all surprised) if Silver Bullet tries to place Kobe over him.

I don't think Kobe has much of an argument for the top 5 (then again I didn't think he'd get any love in 03-04, but the candidates were so damn weak...), but I'm definitely giving Zo some serious consideration.

[Gongxi]

My tentative '00 rankings has him comfortably in there. I won't say exactly where, but on June 17th my contract with the 00-01 season voting ends and me and my team are going to approach it with the right mindset and see what happens. But yeah, he's there.

For '99 he's only getting an honorable mention. That said, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna change my '01 rankings anyway, so as each thread goes further and further into the past, I get less and less adamant in my initial voting.

[sp6r=underrated]

99-00 thread coming up, I'm excited to see where Zo places. Will be incredibly annoyed (but not at all surprised) if Silver Bullet tries to place Kobe over him.

I don't think Kobe has much of an argument for the top 5 (then again I didn't think he'd get any love in 03-04, but the candidates were so damn weak...), but I'm definitely giving Zo some serious consideration.

[semi-sentient]

Well, I'm at a loss for words. The only thing I can do at this point is post this...

[NO-KG-AI]

We should have done the DPOY in with these rankings as well, once I started thinking about how KG and Duncan should have nearly all of the DPOYs this decade.

[Doctor MJ]

Hornets

Was a Bulls, Heat, Hornets fan in the 90's.

Sign me up.

You haven't been voting.

He's been contributing, and he's someone who I've done projects with in the past. Don't let the green font in his name fool ya...

[bastillon]

there is no way I'm voting LeBron for POY this year. he was 3rd best player in the Celtics series behind Rondo and Garnett. with this kind of disappointment I might not include him in the TOP5 at all (though that's unlikely), depending on how the rest ends up. at some point RS has only some value, but that was atrocious series for Bron.

not a stellar competition this year, but Bron won't be in POY for sure.

[Gongxi]

there is no way I'm voting LeBron for POY this year. he was 3rd best player in the Celtics series

The year started in very late October (or was it actually November this year), not a week and a half ago.

[bastillon]

so ure in ?

Congratulations -

don't vote for Garnett

you should be called "An Unbiased Silver Bullet".

[Silver Bullet]

so ure in ?

Congratulations -

don't vote for Garnett

you should be called "An Unbiased Silver Bullet".

it was a joke -

[Silver Bullet]

99-00 thread coming up, I'm excited to see where Zo places. Will be incredibly annoyed (but not at all surprised) if Silver Bullet tries to place Kobe over him.

I have Zo very high in 99 and 00. Shame about his kidney aliment (beyond the obvious impact it had on his life), but I had him pegged as a guy who could have been top 5 until 02. The slow pace of the heat really masks how good Alonzo was those two seasons.

I might chime in to argue for him a bit although I think I'm just going to ignore SB. The thing about it is while his numbers in 99 and 00 look similar to the rest of his career, our pace as a team was actually slowing, and his efficiency and defense were both improving.

In 95-96, when he first got to Miami, he was really raw on offense, more of a faceup guy who depended on athleticism and a shaky jumper. By the end of the decade, he had some solid go-to post moves, improved his handle and ability to drive to the basket, and still got better on defense every year.

Playing next to a guy like P.J. Brown hurt his rebounding numbers some, though I'll concede he wasn't an all-time great rebounder or anything.

K that's enough thread derail from me.

Why are you assuming I hate Zo - the only player I'm really biased against is KG - and that too because there is wayyy too much KG love going on in these threads - and again, I don't think I've let my bias affect my vote.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Why are you assuming I hate Zo - the only player I'm really biased against is KG - and that too because there is wayyy too much KG love going on in these threads - and again, I don't think I've let my bias affect my vote.

I don't think you hate Zo, just that you love Kobe.

As for the bolded, that simply is not true, we've all let our bias affect our vote. The only difference is what biases took precedent and how we prioritized each one.

[ElGee]

there is no way I'm voting LeBron for POY this year. he was 3rd best player in the Celtics series behind Rondo and Garnett. with this kind of disappointment I might not include him in the TOP5 at all (though that's unlikely), depending on how the rest ends up. at some point RS has only some value, but that was atrocious series for Bron.

not a stellar competition this year, but Bron won't be in POY for sure.

That's funny, because I have him grading out as the best player in the series. But, yeah, if we want to overreact because the Celtics team defense thought it was 2008 and the rest of the Cavs were terrible, we can act like LeBron suddenly stinks. Or doesn't care.

[Sedale Threatt]

Best player in the series? Really?

I defended him to the hilt last year, when he went down with both barrels blazing. This year, however, he was obviously well below par in a pretty massive flameout.

Very good to great in two games, medciore to poor in four others. All in all, I have no problem calling that the worsts series of his career considering his experience and what was at stake.

[Doctor MJ]

Best player in the series? Really?

I defended him to the hilt last year, when he went down with both barrels blazing. This year, however, he was obviously well below par in a pretty massive flameout.

Very good to great in two games, medciore to poor in four others. All in all, I have no problem calling that the worsts series of his career considering his experience and what was at stake.

I haven't made up my mind on LeBron's performance yet. Make no mistake, Game 5 was terrible. It was so much worse than the number said. The rest of the series though, while it wasn't what I'd hope for him - the man is asked to carry so much. I mean, his performance last night, 27/19/10 - and people call that bad. If you want to say it wasn't as good as those numbers say, that's cool, but those numbers are GOAT worthy man.

A question to ask: Swap LeBron with Rondo or Garnett, and rebalance the team's so that they otherwise have the same overall levels of talent they had before but geared toward the players in question. Does anyone think that a Rondo-led or Garnett-led Cavs would have done better than the LeBron-led Cavs did? If so, I'd love to here thoughts along those lines.