Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?

Fencer reregistered · Post #1 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Thu May 13, 2010 12:12 am

I assume LBJ is basically clean in the area of drugs.

If so, and if he needs (perfectly legal) narcotic pain-killers to play now, he may not be used to their effect on him. There's a whole spectrum between "obviously high as a kite" and "completely unaffected", and at least in theory they are depressants.

Just a thought, after seeing the renewed rumors about the severity of his injury.

You guys would know a lot better one way or the other than a non-Cavs fan like me.

RRT · Post #2 » by **RRT** » Thu May 13, 2010 1:51 am

How would we know better on that subject? it's not like any of us are in any contact with lebron, unless someone's here mows his lawn then sir you may speak on it.

Magic2FinalsN09 · Post #3 » by **Magic2FinalsN09** » Thu May 13, 2010 1:54 am

his problem is...everyone thinks hes GOD. he's not, nor is he some super human basketball player that leads his team to a ship every year. his problem is, his supporting cast stinks. the guy has a couple of bad games and hes getting crucified. maybe if the team he was on wasnt complete garbage, they might have a shot at winnning a title. everyone has to have someone next to them to win it all. lebron could win 61 games but he cant take on a true team in a 7 game series without help.

stunnar0b · Post #4 » by **stunnar0b** » Thu May 13, 2010 2:41 am

dude i know you love your boi BUT...

the guy just didnt bring it

its obvious his jumper wasnt falling so why not drive to the basket instead of watching with your thumb up your ass while live pick n rolls are active...

the guy basically mailed it in and knows wheres hes going and been knowing since the start of the season...

one word: ROSE

Fencer reregistered · Post #5 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Thu May 13, 2010 3:10 am

RRT wrote:How would we know better on that subject? it's not like any of us are in any contact with lebron, unless someone's here mows his lawn then sir you may speak on it.

You probably watch his moods more closely than other hoops fans do.

Anyhow -- while I suggested that Cavs fans might know something, I wasn't thinking of you in particular when I said that.

wigglestrue · Post #6 » by **wigglestrue** » Thu May 13, 2010 3:18 am

Plausible theory, maybe the only one that could excuse his Game 5 passiveness/mediocrity.

I'm surprised more Cavs fans aren't jumping on this one, I sure as hell would be.

Pula_86 · Post #7 » by **Pula_86** » Thu May 13, 2010 5:23 am

Never seen so many ready made excuses for a player. Why does everyone think that LBJ is the only superstar to ever play with an injury (which I don't believe)? At this point in the season, everybody is dealing with pain and injury.

Every Cavs fan wishes it was not true, but the fact is LBJ quit on his team and his city.

Fencer reregistered · Post #8 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Thu May 13, 2010 7:22 am

Pula_86 wrote:Never seen so many ready made excuses for a player. Why does everyone think that LBJ is the only superstar to ever play with an injury (which I don't believe)? At this point in the season, everybody is dealing with pain and injury.

Every Cavs fan wishes it was not true, but the fact is LBJ quit on his team and his city.

Well, I hope you're right. I'd like the Celts to wrap this series up on Thursday, for all sorts of obvious reasons.

iserp · Post #9 » by **iserp** » Thu May 13, 2010 12:18 pm

Could be.

However, about the "stinky" teammates; i believe Lebron has a good supporting cast (maybe not superb, but quite good), but lacks a lot of leadership in coaching. Basically Mike Brown lets Lebron win the games by himself, and it hurts the rest of the team.

Let me explain, I didn't watch the game, but i read this Hollinger article about the 'LeBacle'. He analyzed a bit if he had an injury; and about the game, he basically said that Antawn, Shaq, Mo, ... were doing fine, the problem was that anytime the play went through Lebron, Cle was very ineffective; and that was what Cle was doing for the whole 2nd half. Mike Brown doesn't have the guts to sit Lebron if he is doing bad, or at least draw some plays for Jamison, and let Lebron have some rest (although in the court). He just switches players like mad, while not changing the way of playing at all.

Actually, from some youtube highlights, it seems to me that not only Lebron shooting was off, but his mind was too. Because he didn't care in defense; so maybe you're right about painkillers. However, i wouldn't make a big case for it; Lebron isn't 100% healthy, and the Celtics are still a good team who are very concentrated and very tough. Everyone took for granted that Cle would reach ECF, and actually, the team has a lot of pressure to go to the finals (and win). All this messes with Lebron mind; which is something natural, and he isn't taking it in a good way.

Other years, Lebron didn't have a lot of pressure: he was basically in a bad team, doing extraordinary things. Now, he is expected to WIN; and everyone in Cle wants it now (just in case he bolts this summer). Although he's been a superstar for a long long time, this may be the first time he doesn't meet the expectations around him. He is mismanaging his (more than likely) injury, not telling the team (and the rest of the people, but specially not telling the team) the truth about it. His mindset is off, and his last press conferences are starting to be a bit weird.

Post #10 » by **Icness** » Thu May 13, 2010 1:27 pm

I've actually played better on Vicodin when paired with caffeine. It dulls the mind and I don't think too much, just react.

RRT · Post #11 » by **RRT** » Thu May 13, 2010 11:31 pm

Icness wrote:I've actually played better on Vicodin when paired with caffeine. It dulls the mind and I don't think too much, just react.

I agree with that but NBA does he strict drug laws so you never know what the case is.

Fencer reregistered · Post #12 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri May 14, 2010 3:57 am

RRT wrote:
Icness wrote:I've actually played better on Vicodin when paired with caffeine. It dulls the mind and I don't think too much, just react.

I agree with that but NBA does he strict drug laws so you never know what the case is.

I'm pretty sure that in any professional team sport you can take painkillers when properly prescribed.

Anyhow, it's possible to play through something that makes your head a bit fuzzy, and actually use it to focus. That's the theory suggested for various guys who have great games despite the flu. But maybe that's a skill that LBJ, at this point in his career, lacks.

jade_hippo · Post #13 » by **jade_hippo** » Fri May 14, 2010 6:24 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:
RRT wrote:
Icness wrote:I've actually played better on Vicodin when paired with caffeine. It dulls the mind and I don't think too much, just react.

I agree with that but NBA does he strict drug laws so you never know what the case is.

I'm pretty sure that in any professional team sport you can take painkillers when properly prescribed.

Anyhow, it's possible to play through something that makes your head a bit fuzzy, and actually use it to focus. That's the theory suggested for various guys who have great games despite the flu. But maybe that's a skill that LBJ, at this point in his career, lacks.

If he was on anything it would likely be cortizone in the problem area. Numbs it up really nice and you don't get any of the foggy/sleepy side effects . Probably 90% of joint/liament ailments are treated this way, so painkillers side effects probably isn't the issue, although I wouldn't completely rule it out, it is possible, just unlikely.

Post #14 » by **INKtastic** » Fri May 14, 2010 1:19 pm

LeBron getting his MVP last year

He's held every award he's ever gotten up like that until this year

Clearly something is wrong with his elbow.

wigglestrue · Post #15 » by **wigglestrue** » Fri May 14, 2010 6:21 pm

lj4mvp wrote:LeBron getting his MVP last year

He's held every award he's ever gotten up like that until this year

Clearly something is wrong with his elbow.

Video would be better.

Fencer reregistered · Post #16 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri May 14, 2010 7:26 pm

jade_hippo wrote:
If he was on anything it would likely be cortizone in the problem area. Numbs it up really nice and you don't get any of the foggy/sleepy side effects . Probably 90% of joint/liament ailments are treated this way, so painkillers side effects probably isn't the issue, although I wouldn't completely rule it out, it is possible, just unlikely.

The reporting suggested he got that Game 4. Meaning it wasn't available to him Game 5 or Game 6.

But actually -- playing through pain vs. playing through painkillers vs. playing through certain kinds of injuries all raise the same issues. It's a skill to focus despite those distractions, and not necessarily a skill LeBron has a lot of practice exercising.

blix · Post #17 » by **blix** » Fri May 14, 2010 8:14 pm

guys I swear I'm not trolling. I don't have a history of it - but is the story about Delonte true or is it a completely baseless rumor (best you can tell?

I ask because:

A) it kinda explains why he seemed so out of it mentally
B) you guys are closer to the scene and probably have more access to local media discussing it

cdouglas · Post #18 » by **cdouglas** » Sat May 15, 2010 4:40 pm

Lebron is in Freemasonry and perhaps his decison isn't his own but someone bigger than Lebron.

wigglestrue · Post #19 » by **wigglestrue** » Sun May 16, 2010 12:26 am

cdouglas wrote:Lebron is in Freemasonry and perhaps his decison isn't his own but someone bigger than Lebron.

Totally:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wesley

bcortell · Post #20 » by **bcortell** » Sun May 16, 2010 3:20 am

blix wrote:guys I swear I'm not trolling. I don't have a history of it - but is the story about Delonte true or is it a completely baseless rumor (best you can tell?

I ask because:

A) it kinda explains why he seemed so out of it mentally
B) you guys are closer to the scene and probably have more access to local media discussing it

Not true.

Everyone stop asking.