Richard Jefferson

[Miller4ever]

Don't act like our failure to improve is Dunleavy's fault. There are many more factors at play. In fact, I would say that our failure to improve can be linked to Dunleavy's absence. He doesn't play, so the Pacers don't get better. He hasn't played at 100% capacity at any point during the last two seasons. I could say THAT is the reason we haven't gotten anywhere.

FYI:

2008 36-46 record Top minute-getters: Dunleavy, Granger, Jermaine O'Neal, Troy Murphy, Jamaal Tinsley, Travis Diener, Marquis Daniels, Jeff Foster, Kareem Rush

2009 36-46 record: Granger, Ford, Jack, Murphy, Daniels, Brush, Hibby, Rasho

2010 32-50 record: Brush, Murphy, Watson, Granger, Hibbert, Dahntay, Dunleavy, Ford

So, just looking at who's on the court for us over the seasons and that should tell you a little bit about what's gotten us where.

[Boneman2]

Who can we get for Murphy? Cleveland showed us that we couldn't get youth, like JJ Hickson, especially when the Cavs knew they would be going after Z Ilgauskas again.

JJ is going to be a great role player for some time. Regardless, the Cavs chose Jamison over Murphy.

[ardthomp]

That is a good point. When I think of a playmaker in the Pacers' offense, I think of a guy that can get out on the break and finish plays.

I suppose in the truest sense of "playmaker" most of us think of a guy that can create his own shots, finish in the paint, a real clutch player.

I think of a playmaker as a guy that makes plays for his team; scoring opportunities for himself and others. The guy that finishes on the break is the guy that has the play made for him.

So, point guards, and then a handful of guys (DWade, LBJ, Kobe, Joe Johnson). Even Durant and Melo don't fit this description as they just create offense for themselves.

[Scoot McGroot]

Really? The guy played tremendously well for us for two years. Dunleavy has provided more for us than Hibbert, Price, Hansbrough, and Rush combined on the court. Sure, he's not super young, but he was a tremendous team player, and he's a great teammate. When he's healthy, he adds a dimension to this team and takes a TON of scoring pressure off of Granger, without dominating the ball.


I'm sorry if you don't like him. That's certainly ok. But to say that he's done "nothing for us" is flat out ignorant and incorrect.

Out of everything you've said, where has that gotten us?

A **** farther than we would have gotten in that time period without him.

You asked what he's done here. My answer is that he's won more games than he's lost for us.

[Starkiller]

Really? The guy played tremendously well for us for two years. Dunleavy has provided more for us than Hibbert, Price, Hansbrough, and Rush combined on the court. Sure, he's not super young, but he was a tremendous team player, and he's a great teammate. When he's healthy, he adds a dimension to this team and takes a TON of scoring pressure off of Granger, without dominating the ball.


I'm sorry if you don't like him. That's certainly ok. But to say that he's done "nothing for us" is flat out ignorant and incorrect.

Out of everything you've said, where has that gotten us?

A ****-ton farther than we would have gotten in that time period without him.

You asked what he's done here. My answer is that he's won more games than he's lost for us.

And again what has that done? Nothing at all. We haven't made the playoffs, haven't even been within smelling distance of a title. Those ''wins'' that you are talking about only set us back by hurting our draft position.

[greenway84]

And again what has that done? Nothing at all. We haven't made the playoffs, haven't even been within smelling distance of a title. Those ''wins'' that you are talking about only set us back by hurting our draft position.

OMG, we get it. You don't like Dunleavy, because he hasn't gotten us anywhere. News flash. We haven't gotten anywhere with anyone since Reggie left. Dunleavy is no worse than Ford, Foster, Murphy, any of our vets. Not to mention JO after Reggie left. I reserve judgment on the young players. I can understand you not liking Dunleavy, but to say any of those other guys have done anything for us or any team they have played on is dumb. So if you you cant stand him then you might as well hate the majority of the team. In which case why be a pacer fan.

[PR07]

Basketball is a team game. Even in the playoffs now, you see that the teams still standing are the best "teams". We aren't the Indiana Dunleavy's, you have to blame everyone on the roster for our failures, from Danny Granger to AJ Price. Dunleavy has been a solid player for us when healthy, certainly better than anticipated.

[Scoot McGroot]

And again what has that done? Nothing at all. We haven't made the playoffs, haven't even been within smelling distance of a title. Those ''wins'' that you are talking about only set us back by hurting our draft position.

What the **** has Granger done? He's worthless too. Better trade him.

Then, whoever we trade Granger for is gonna be worthless too as we won't have a team to play with him and we'll miss the playoffs again and better trade him then too.


See, we can keep going at this all day long. He helps us win. We haven't had enough of him to go around. At some point, you start accumulating and holding onto the guys that help you win. Then, when you have more than 2 of those guys, you might start winning. If you keep trading those guys, you never win.

[Miller4ever]

You're in a real conundrum if winning and losing piss you off. There are no ties in the NBA.

[Gremz]

You're in a real conundrum if winning and losing piss you off. There are no ties in the NBA.

The NBA should take after cricket then.

[Boneman2]

Before Dunleavy's injury, it looked as if Granger and he were going to be a deadly tandem. Now that Dunleavy has fallen off a bit, it will be interesting to see how he does in a contract season in which he will be able to train for. In all fairness let him either pass or fail next sesaon.

[ardthomp]

Before Dunleavy's injury, it looked as if Granger and he were going to be a deadly tandem. Now that Dunleavy has fallen off a bit, it will be interesting to see how he does in a contract season in which he will be able to train for. In all fairness let him either pass or fail next sesaon.

Either way, the Pacers shouldn't bring him back. Even at a discounted price.

[8305]

Before Dunleavy's injury, it looked as if Granger and he were going to be a deadly tandem. Now that Dunleavy has fallen off a bit, it will be interesting to see how he does in a contract season in which he will be able to train for. In all fairness let him either pass or fail next sesaon.

Either way, the Pacers shouldn't bring him back. Even at a discounted price.

I'll reserve judgement on bringing back Dunleavy and the appropriate price. I'll be surprised if he doesn't have a big year this year.

[PR07]

It depends on his knee. If he can regain his previous form, I wouldn't mind him back. However, if his knee continues to trouble his play, I'd pass.

[Scoot McGroot]

It depends on his knee. If he can regain his previous form, I wouldn't mind him back. However, if his knee continues to trouble his play, I'd pass.

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