Mavs - Cavs trade

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #1 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Fri May 14, 2010 11:09 pm

Hey first, sorry to you guys. As a Mavs fan I've come to know disappointment very well this decade.

There has been talk before that Lebron has an interest in Dallas. Obviously any trade would mean he would WANT to S&T with us which would of course be more beneficial to you guys than seeing him walk away.

So what deal would work?

I'm assuming Caron Butler, Erick Dampier and sadly, Roddy Beaubois would be the start witch filler and picks. Whatchoo guys think? Before you go apesiht, keep in mind that Dampier's contract is an "instant expiring", meaning after a certain date this summer (don't remember right now) he can be cut and you get that cap relief. His contract will be worth like $14 million.

His contract would basically be the match of Lebron's salary. Caron will make $11 million this year in he final year of his deal. You get an All Star player at least and he has chemistry with Jamison, and again, he is an expiring. With his deal you can send back a bad contract.

Beaubois is going to be a bad ass, but I'd rather have the sure thing in Lebron obviously. roddy will be good but not all time great like Lebron.

You can always S&T Shaq over to us too since he's wanted to play in Dallas for a while.

Anyways, in a Mavs trade, what would be the scenerios on Clevelands side? What players do you want to get rid of? We'd need a 1, 2, backup 4 and 5.

thanks.

VinnyTheMick · Post #2 » by **VinnyTheMick** » Fri May 14, 2010 11:46 pm

from_ro_to_dirk wrote:
So what deal would work?

None.

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #3 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Sat May 15, 2010 12:01 am

VinnyTheMick wrote:
from_ro_to_dirk wrote:
So what deal would work?

None.

yah, ok. you'd rather get nothing back if he leaves? in a trade Dallas is one of the few teams who can make a good deal for Cleveland that Lebron would actually want to play for. so how about some serious Cavs fans answer please.

Triumph36 · Post #4 » by **Triumph36** » Sat May 15, 2010 12:06 am

VinnyTheMick wrote:
from_ro_to_dirk wrote:
So what deal would work?

None.

This.

If the guy wants to leave, he has to take a pay cut. We have no reason to do him any favors. Roddy is nice, but not worth it. No "prospect" is except an LA trade involving Bynum.

Post #5 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sat May 15, 2010 12:13 am

I can't really see the Mavs making a "good" deal for Lebron especially one that doesn't include Nowitzki.

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #6 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Sat May 15, 2010 12:18 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:I can't really see the Mavs making a "good" deal for Lebron especially one that doesn't include Nowitzki.

remember, you're trying to get something for him. with the mavs you can get a good player (butler) and future star (beaubois) and huge cap relief (Damp now, and butler in a year) and you can get rid of bad contracts now. and first round picks and whatever else. seems crazy not to want to do that it if he wants to leave cleveland.

microfib4thewin · Post #7 » by **microfib4thewin** » Sat May 15, 2010 12:31 am

Woah, did you just put the word 'sadly' in there? I don't see how giving up any prospect for Lebron frickin James can make anyone sad.

The Cavs would rather let him walk than pay $11 mil for Butler. Beau is nice but hasn't done enough to really warrant he will be a lock as a solid starter in this league.

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #8 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Sat May 15, 2010 12:49 am

microfib4thewin wrote:Woah, did you just put the word 'sadly' in there? I don't see how giving up any prospect for Lebron frickin James can make anyone sad.

The Cavs would rather let him walk than pay $11 mil for Butler. Beau is nice but hasn't done enough to really warrant he will be a lock as a solid starter in this league.

i say sadly because the guy is so fun to watch. It woudl only be 11 million for butler for this year, and he's an expiring too. Can turn him into something from another team if you'd want.

VinnyTheMick · Post #9 » by **VinnyTheMick** » Sat May 15, 2010 12:54 am

from_ro_to_dirk wrote:
VinnyTheMick wrote:
from_ro_to_dirk wrote:
So what deal would work?

None.

yah, ok. you'd rather get nothing back if he leaves? in a trade Dallas is one of the few teams who can make a good deal for Cleveland that Lebron would actually want to play for. so how about some serious Cavs fans answer please.

I'm not a Cavs fan. I just know an insane trade proposal when I see it.

FAB0L0US · Post #10 » by **FAB0L0US** » Sat May 15, 2010 1:01 am

This trade is absolute trash? Erica, Roddy, and overpaid Caron for LEBRON JAMES? Dude you are on crack.

And NO Nowitizki? Keep dreaming dude. This trade is insane, not even NBA 2k GM"s would accept this trade.

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #11 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Sat May 15, 2010 1:06 am

FAB0L0US wrote:This trade is absolute trash? Erica, Roddy, and overpaid Caron for LEBRON JAMES? Dude you are on crack.

And NO Nowitizki? Keep dreaming dude. This trade is insane, not even NBA 2k GM"s would accept this trade.

ok i give up. you people FAIL to understand. if he wants out of cleveland you will get NOTHING for him. if he wnats to go to Dallas you can get something back in return. You aren't going to get Dirk because then he wont want to go to Dallas. You can get back a good player, a good young talent and a HUGE experiing in Dampier than you can cut for cap relief in a month. you obviously dont see the big picture here. YOu can get some players, cap relief now and future cap relief by giving away bad contracts. use your mind. jeez.

FAB0L0US · Post #12 » by **FAB0L0US** » Sat May 15, 2010 1:08 am

If the Cavs are ever forced to do a S&T they can get a better deal than money (Erica), Roddy, and Caron.

Cammo101 · Post #13 » by **Cammo101** » Sat May 15, 2010 1:13 am

Why would LeBron chose to go to Dallas?

lujavan · Post #14 » by **lujavan** » Sat May 15, 2010 1:39 am

Cammo101 wrote:Why would LeBron chose to go to Dallas?

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #15 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Sat May 15, 2010 5:28 am

Cammo101 wrote:Why would LeBron chose to go to Dallas?

From Barkley:

"Out of all these teams all these people are talking about, Dallas is probably the best, well-suited to win a championship, to be honest with you," Barkley said. "OK, New York has money, they stink. New Jersey has money, they stink. The Miami Heat has money, they stink. The Chicago Bulls, to me, is the most attractive situation because of Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah, but none of those other teams are as close to winning a championship as the Mavs, to be honest with you."

From an article in 2008:
James listed New York as his favorite city Monday (his hometown of Akron, Ohio, came in fifth behind Washington, D.C., Dallas and Los Angeles) as he took part in a one-day USA Basketball media blitz, and he also gave an answer to a follow-up question that'll make Knicks president Donnie Walsh and head coach Mike D'Antoni cringe.

He can make $26 million more by doing a S&T rather than sign as a free agent somewhere.

He can play with 2 future Hall of Famers, one of which is a top player in the game, the other of which is his friend and a person he wants to play with. Plus Dirk is Superstar who does not crave the spotlight and would defer that to LeBron. No bickering or jealousy over who is "the man".

He'd be going to a team and owner that actually wants to win and will spend whatever it takes to make it happen. Not alot of owners are willing to lose money to try to win.

no state income tax. lots of players from other teams in all sports live in the DFW area.

dallas has lots of soul food restaurants. ha i threw that in for chris webber.

anywehre where he can actually sign as a free agent, he'd be years away from winning.

Sure, a trade to the Lakers would be the best option in terms of winning, but him teamed with Dirk in Dallas is the 2nd best thing he can do when you also factor in the supporting cast. i have no idea why people in here fail to see this. it's a long shot yet, but i dont get how you guys cant seem to grasp that he DOES like Dallas and he would make them the title favorites and its not a crazy idea that he would want to go to them. AND you guys would get pieces in return if he wnated to come here. Yah its not equal value but you are not getting equal value unless you trad for Wade or Kobe.

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #16 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Sat May 15, 2010 5:43 am

FAB0L0US wrote:If the Cavs are ever forced to do a S&T they can get a better deal than money (Erica), Roddy, and Caron.

do you realize the Cavs cant sign him and trade him to wherever they want right? It is HIS decision. If the Cavs dont want to cooperate then he goes and signs in New York and kicks your asses every year for the next decade and you got nothing for him in return.

Why not trade him for CP3? Because he doesnt want to **** play in New Orleans! The only S&T places that he'd really want to play in and who can really make you any good offers are LA and Dallas.

I don't get why people in here can't grasp why a trade with Dallas, if he wants to leave Cleveland and wants to come, would be a viable option. It seems people would rather he signs elsewhere for nothing, considering the replies in here. You get a former All Star, a potential future star 1/2 and Damp's $16.4 million expiring contract that can be instantly cut, you dont have to keep him on the roster all year. It is instant savings. You also can get rid of bad contracts in return that will get you under the cap sooner and make you players for this year (possibly, i have no idea about your cap situation) or next year or 2. Also, dont forget that Butler will be an $11 million expiring. How can you seriously not be interested?

microfib4thewin · Post #17 » by **microfib4thewin** » Sat May 15, 2010 5:47 am

Wasn't there the whole raving about how Dallas's supporting cast sucks? Ya, Lebron gets to play with Dirk, but according to Mavs fans, they have nothing after him. Marion can't make layups, Terry is undersized, Kidd is old, Haywood has worse hands than Dampier. These are all the criticisms Dallas fans have used to defend Dirk, and now you are going to turn all that around and say Dallas has a good team? Pretty much any team with Lebron can become a contender, saying that Dallas will give him the best chance to win is rather unconvincing when he can win with any team he goes to.

Post #18 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sat May 15, 2010 5:51 am

The arrogance of you post is astounding. It's not as though Cavs fans can't grasp the idea. We just don't find it appealing.

If he wants to leave, he wants to leave. He can go where ever he wants. I don't care any longer. I really don't think the guys that you are talking about are really all that exciting to have. A bunch of 3rd or 4th options most of which are overpaid or over the hill. Dallas's other guys are just as overrated as those on the Cavs.

Triumph36 · Post #19 » by **Triumph36** » Sat May 15, 2010 7:32 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:The arrogance of you post is astounding. It's not as though Cavs fans can't grasp the idea. We just don't find it appealing.

If he wants to leave, he wants to leave. He can go where ever he wants. I don't care any longer. I really don't think the guys that you are talking about are really all that exciting to have. A bunch of 3rd or 4th options most of which are overpaid or over the hill. Dallas's other guys are just as overrated as those on the Cavs.

THIS!!!

Roddy isn't a future "star." I like him, but he's not a star. Butler is an over-the-hill overpaid player who will add nothing to this team. Guess what, we already have one former Wiz to fill that role here.

But most importantly - why would LeBron WANT to go to Dallas? He wouldn't! You have no future! He wants to play with another star, a YOUNG star. That's why teams like Chicago and New York are so appealing - they have young cores. Dallas doesn't.

Mannhardo · Post #20 » by **Mannhardo** » Sat May 15, 2010 10:10 am

NY has young stars??? What does the Bulls have besides Rose??? yeah right nothing......with the dallas deal you could get 2 firsts + roddy. no one said you have to keep butler...trade him im sure youll find another deal that suites you better. all of your standpoints are stupid....you would rather lose him for nothing instead of at least 2 firsts? thank god nobody of you is a gm.