Lebron/Bulls gossip & rumors (merging)

[red222]

http://twitter.com/ricbucher


For whatever reason, based on his tweets, it seems like Bucher has a real anti-LBJ agenda... could be his relationship with Kobe... either way, not sure what that means re: his evaluation on our chances being 5%. I doubt he's real plugged into James's camp, FWIW.



Also, here's the NBA Podcast from ESPN with Ryan Russilo.. they start talking to Ford at about 12:40...

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd= ... autoplay=1

we need a draft thread this draft is important because of deng and wall

[Mr. Tibbs]

i listened to the latest bucher podcast and his reasoning seemed a bit odd to me. Well part of it. His biggest point is the loyalty factor, and he's basically looking at it from how HE would view lebron. if lbj leaves, he says it'd be conceding defeat and admitting he can't do it and he needs help. He also goes on to say he would respect lebron more if he stayed in cleveland, and basically uses it as a reason he'll stay. I don't necessarily agree with it but it is a possibility for sure

The one that confuses me is he seems to be convinced that the only way to get lebron is through a sign and trade. Maybe he knows something we don't, but he mentions this a few times and uses it as a major reason why he won't be moved. Don't see why this is the case at all.

The podcast is a little weird because he doesn't seem like a guy with a totally objective viewpoint. He first went on about how great boston did at coaching and coming together. Then ranted how it bothered him that boston should be the talk of the headlines not where lebrons going. Then as soon as he finished that rant van pelt's next question was..where do you think lebron is going? It kinda came off more like an opinionated call as to what he'd want to see rather than a decision based on what he knows.

Honestly though..i've been reading so much lebrons going here and there today that I dunno what to think anymore. I feel like if someone tries hard enough they' can give me a compelling argument as to why lebron james will join the chicago bears instead of the bulls.

[davhern]

It's odd that Bucher would be oblivious to the fact that LeBron is so assuredly worth a max deal 3 or 5 years from now, that he's not risking all that much by giving up that 6th year.

[davhern]

Hell, he very well may not even want that 6th year.

[davhern]

A superduperstar free agent is a completely different game than your typical max players.

[EastBayFJ]

Totally pissed my pants in that Simmons article with the reference to the Michael Corleone move , the Sonny Corleone Move , The Connie Corleone move ...and the obligatory Clippers bash right at the end of it ....the Fredo Corleone move

Freakin awesome.

Boerwinkle, if you were reading - that bud was for you

[rtblues]

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?id=4870374&callsign=WMVPAM&autoplay=1 57 minutes in he predicted bosh and bron to bulls a year ago

J.A. Adande says Varejao is considerably better than Joakim Noah. Right now.

As you see Mr. Andade is simply IGNORANT!

[JOHN]

Hey.....JA Adande dude.....

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shove it in your pipe

[red222]

that podcast was in late 09

[EastBayFJ]

There was an interesting point that came up somewhere in this thread about star power in Asia and why the Bryant name sells more - and it was because he has won multiple championships

Hold this thought for a sec

Simmons is spot on re " the best basketball fit"

And if it is the best basketball fit that allows you to a have a much better chance of being a multiple champion then its the best business fit as well.

The problem with the New York idea and it being the biggest stage etc etc ...well firstly he wants to cop it in the blurt on the wor'd's biggest stage with Joe Johnson , Gallo and 10 scrubs. New York is assuming the world starts and stops in New York in terms of the rest of "the quong" outside of basketball

Bollocks.

Typical New York arrogance

And the points have been raised about the shocking national endorsement buck right now etc etc . In the Global comparison - America is screwed for years . Europe too.

The reality is - the best market is Asia which makes New York and America generally a pimple on its ass

And the best way to leverage that market is to win Championships and commit to the best basketball situation - which is Chicago

And it would be even better / more savy from the Kings Camp to demand a trade for Yi Jianlan as well to play a stretch forward role on a Championship contender. Now that would be the Vito Corleone move.

I've been talking about this all season long for whereever he ends up to deepen his penetration into the hearts and minds of hundreds of millions of Chinese ...who would have one of their own not quite riding shotgun with the King ...like Steve McQueen to Yul Brynner in the Magnificent 7 .....maybe more like being the novice annoying cock sure kid who wanted to be a man ....the Horst Bucholz character to Yul Brynner

[TheAdmiral]

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?id=4870374&callsign=WMVPAM&autoplay=1 57 minutes in he predicted bosh and bron to bulls a year ago

J.A. Adande says Varejao is considerably better than Joakim Noah. Right now.

What a dumbass.

[Mezotarkus]

I'm sorry to rain on the parade guys but there is zero chance Lebron comes to Chicago. First, the Cavs are not going to be party to a trade that sends Lebron to a division rival to set them up to stomp them for years to come. Second, the Cavs would not want Deng in return because Deng is overpaid. Third, Lebron and Noah do not get along and notwithstanding the guaranteed faux reconciliation that would follow a Lebron trade - it would be insincere and undermine the team. And fourth, Lebron does not want to live in MJ's shadow. The pressure wouldn't be to win a championship but to win more than 6 to eclipse MJ's legacy.

[red222]

I'm sorry to rain on the parade guys but there is zero chance Lebron comes to Chicago. First, the Cavs are not going to be party to a trade that sends Lebron to a division rival to set them up to stomp them for years to come. Second, the Cavs would not want Deng in return because Deng is overpaid. Third, Lebron and Noah do not get along and notwithstanding the guaranteed faux reconciliation that would follow a Lebron trade - it would be insincere and undermine the team. And fourth, Lebron does not want to live in MJ's shadow. The pressure wouldn't be to win a championship but to win more than 6 to eclipse MJ's legacy.

says who??? i just him to be bron

[MELO OR BUST]

what does JA Adande know...didn't he say cleveland was going to sweep boston? i remember seeing something like that somewhere.
I only believe or really listen to what David Aldridge says...he knows some stuff


all i want is LBJ to CHI and Bosh to DEN...then my fantasy of seeing my 2 favorite teams in NBA finals come true

[JackFinn]

I'm sorry to rain on the parade guys but there is zero chance Lebron comes to Chicago. First, the Cavs are not going to be party to a trade that sends Lebron to a division rival to set them up to stomp them for years to come. Second, the Cavs would not want Deng in return because Deng is overpaid. Third, Lebron and Noah do not get along and notwithstanding the guaranteed faux reconciliation that would follow a Lebron trade - it would be insincere and undermine the team. And fourth, Lebron does not want to live in MJ's shadow. The pressure wouldn't be to win a championship but to win more than 6 to eclipse MJ's legacy.

I'm sorry to take a robust dump on your cloud, but your sentiments convey a conviction supported by that which doesn't support it. Kinda like a 99% atheist.

First, the Cavs indeed won't be party to a trade sending LeBron here. That's cool. We'll just take LeBron anyway. And then still have enough to sign an Anthony Morrow or an Antoine "I may be a made up person but LeBron Freaking James isn't" Slagathor.

Second, that, too, is cool. We'll just keep Deng. Thanks.

Third, Rodman threw Pippen into the Effing bleachers as a Piston. It indeed would be insincere to undermine the team. The championship team, that is.

Fourth, true. LeBron does not want to live in MJ's shadow. But he also does not want other things as well. Like changing his name to Karl Malone Jr. Less than 6 championships as a Bull beats the diarrhea out of 0 championships as a Cav who would still be compared to Jordan. I'm sure Shaq's nightmares about Kareem's 5 championships are somewhat alleviated by the fact that they don't exist.

Fifth, your sig is grammatically incorrect.

Sixth, our parades march on through the wetness. This is because we don't play dat. Can the same be said for your cloud? Because I just gave it multiple STDs. haha joke's on you - I have the super AIDS!

[MELO OR BUST]

Third, Rodman threw Pippen into the Effing bleachers as a Piston. It indeed would be insincere to undermine the team. The championship team, that is.

also I think he clothslined MJ on his layup attempts. I think it's about respect and mutual understanding. and if you really think about it, Noah and LBJ might be best friends when they are playing for the same team.

[red222]

Third, Rodman threw Pippen into the Effing bleachers as a Piston. It indeed would be insincere to undermine the team. The championship team, that is.

also I think he clothslined MJ on his layup attempts. I think it's about respect and mutual understanding. and if you really think about it, Noah and LBJ might be best friends when they are playing for the same team.

they hugged after game 5

[j-smooth]

I'm sorry to rain on the parade guys but there is zero chance Lebron comes to Chicago. First, the Cavs are not going to be party to a trade that sends Lebron to a division rival to set them up to stomp them for years to come. Second, the Cavs would not want Deng in return because Deng is overpaid. Third, Lebron and Noah do not get along and notwithstanding the guaranteed faux reconciliation that would follow a Lebron trade - it would be insincere and undermine the team. And fourth, Lebron does not want to live in MJ's shadow. The pressure wouldn't be to win a championship but to win more than 6 to eclipse MJ's legacy.

I'm sorry to take a robust dump on your cloud, but your sentiments convey a conviction supported by that which doesn't support it. Kinda like a 99% atheist.

First, the Cavs indeed won't be party to a trade sending LeBron here. That's cool. We'll just take LeBron anyway. And then still have enough to sign an Anthony Morrow or an Antoine "I may be a made up person but LeBron Freaking James isn't" Slagathor.

Second, that, too, is cool. We'll just keep Deng. Thanks.

Third, Rodman threw Pippen into the Effing bleachers as a Piston. It indeed would be insincere to undermine the team. The championship team, that is.

Fourth, true. LeBron does not want to live in MJ's shadow. But he also does not want other things as well. Like changing his name to Karl Malone Jr. Less than 6 championships as a Bull beats the diarrhea out of 0 championships as a Cav who would still be compared to Jordan. I'm sure Shaq's nightmares about Kareem's 5 championships are somewhat alleviated by the fact that they don't exist.

Fifth, your sig is grammatically incorrect.

Sixth, our parades march on through the wetness. This is because we don't play dat. Can the same be said for your cloud? Because I just gave it multiple STDs. haha joke's on you - I have the super AIDS!

+1 it's amazing how many people do not understand how a sign and trade work. Plus this whole MJs shadow thing is ridiculous. If he wants to be the GOAT you have to surpass Jordan. It doesn't matter if you're in Chicago or China. All great players will be compared to the great players of the past.

[MELO OR BUST]

Third, Rodman threw Pippen into the Effing bleachers as a Piston. It indeed would be insincere to undermine the team. The championship team, that is.

also I think he clothslined MJ on his layup attempts. I think it's about respect and mutual understanding. and if you really think about it, Noah and LBJ might be best friends when they are playing for the same team.

they hugged after game 5

yeah that's my point mutual understanding and respect. Didn't many people quoted or said that Dennis had great respect for Jordan? I believe I saw that part somewhere in Chicago Dynasty DVD.
I think that is going to be the same case for Noah and LBJ. Just put them both in the playpen

Also can someone really explain to me how S&T works? THANKS!!!

[bullsaficianado]

Noah doesn't dislike LeBron, they have never had an altercation except about the dancing issue with his Cavs teammates but if he was the Bulls team leader I am pretty sure the team would do it to. As far as living in MJ's shadow and being compared to Jordan, that would not be fair at all. You will have your people doing it, but I am pretty sure if LeBron signed with the Bulls he would make it clear how much he respects MJ and that he is here to help bring a championship back to the Chicago Bulls. Say he signs and he plays here for 7 years and the Bulls win 3 NBA titles, that's fine. If he plays 3 years and they win 1 NBA title that's fine to, as long as the team goes out and competes year in year out, that's Bulls basketball. LeBron is good enough of a player with the right team and coach to win an NBA title, he hasn't yet but if he remains in Cleveland or signs with New York he might wind up one of those NBA players that has success but never led a team to a championship. The Bulls organization wants to win an NBA championship badly, it has been 12 years since Jordan hit the game winner in Utah to make it 6 NBA titles for the Bulls organization. They will heavily pursue LeBron and let's hope we are able to sign him because he is a good enough player with the right supporting cast to perhaps help the Bulls get back on top.