LeBron Free Agency 2010

Triumph36 · Post #41 » by **Triumph36** » Fri May 14, 2010 7:23 pm

MagicVince wrote:
mg wrote:Tonight during the presser when LeBron was referring to his 'team' he was actually referring to his agent, LRMR, World Wide Wes, Calipari, Nike, etc and not the Cavaliers. It kinda tells you where LeBron mind is. He's obviously much more interested in $ than winning championships. As a Cav fan and an NBA fan I feel cheated.

As for the injury who knows. Personally I don't think he's that injured.

may be lebron purposely loss so that fans hate him and he can go to new jersey.

John Wall is teaming up with Lebron in the marketing side of things. So I won't be surprise he goes to new jersey.

Definitely not bulls. Bull teammates hate him , especially Noah.
He is not going to new york with a crappy franchise. Jim Dolan.
Jay-Z will court him to New Jersey, to pair up with Devin Harris, John WAll, Brooke Lopez.

John Wall is not teaming up with LeBron and his marketing business. He signed with Fegan and BEST, and BEST has come to an agreement with another marketing firm to co-represent Wall's marketing rights.

gflem · Post #42 » by **gflem** » Fri May 14, 2010 8:29 pm

Da_Reel_Kboy wrote:Suns fan here. Im just going to post my opinion, if you dont like it.. well too bad.

I think as Cavs fans you can wave goodbye to LeBron. The front office didnt make an effort until THIS SEASON to add other players that can help LeBron, and how did that work out for you? James will leave, you'll spend the next decade in the lottery while new jersey fills up their trophy cabinet.

You know, youre right. Ferry hasnt made any trades or signed any FAs to help Bron out until this year. Get a clue, and look at this roster from Lebron's first year, second year and so on. You can plainly see that many moves have been made, not all good, or not all bad. It is what it is, they didnt get it done.
The injury had a part, but the first problem to be solved will be M Brown being fired.I have never tought Brown was the right guy, and have been critical of him often in the past as have others on this site and elsewhere. If Lebron leaves so be it, but it wont be because the FO didnt try to surround him with the help he needs, and it wont be because the FO didnt pony up the $$$$$ either.
NJ had the worst record in years and challenged the worst record ever in the NBA, and adding Wall at Devin Harris' position would create a logjam. Harris would probably be moved if NJ drafts Wall. Would Lebron want to start over with the worst team in the league with a rookie PG? Who knows, I think maybe not, but I may be wrong. We will see.

NBAWestFan · Post #43 » by **NBAWestFan** » Fri May 14, 2010 9:22 pm

Lebron for Odom and Artest.

Magic, Jordan and a hookshot less Kareem.

Please go to LAL. Lakers are where it is at.

But if not, go to NY.
Don't Go to Chicago

Whatever you do don't go to LAC the joke of the NBA.
Poor Blake Griffin.

bullski21 · Post #44 » by **bullski21** » Fri May 14, 2010 11:41 pm

Word is: Delonte West was doin the dirty with LeBrons mom and he found out before he started sucking. THUS, increases his chances of leaving Cleveland.

Cammo101 · Post #45 » by **Cammo101** » Fri May 14, 2010 11:44 pm

bullski21 wrote:Word is: Delonte West was doin the dirty with LeBrons mom and he found out before he started sucking. THUS, increases his chances of leaving Cleveland.

I have to think this is not true. If it is, it is epic.

bullski21 · Post #46 » by **bullski21** » Fri May 14, 2010 11:46 pm

Def explain why he started to suck. But yeah I dont know, how do you even go about telling the media that?

Triumph36 · Post #47 » by **Triumph36** » Sat May 15, 2010 12:09 am

There's no way that's true. The problem stemmed from Shaq, Mike Brown, and LeBron.

Props to whoever created that rumor though. That crap spread like wildfire.

bullski21 · Post #48 » by **bullski21** » Sat May 15, 2010 12:50 am

^^

what eactly do you mean by the problem stemmed from shaq, mike brown, and lebron?

Triumph36 · Post #49 » by **Triumph36** » Sat May 15, 2010 2:59 am

Shaq's ego is twice as big as what he brings on the court. He demanded touches, minutes, etc. LeBron didn't think Shaq should get those things, and instead they should go to other players who are more suited to beat Boston. Brown sided with Shaq which obviously made LeBron upset. LeBron's ego combined with him not exactly being Mr. Maturity led to him giving up on the team. The team goes as LeBron goes, so when he doesn't go...we get crushed.

Basically Shaq killed the team, like LA/MIA/PHX fans warned. They were right all along.

Mezotarkus · Post #50 » by **Mezotarkus** » Sat May 15, 2010 10:51 am

I'm not even a Cavs fan and this talk of Lebron to Chicago is annoying me.

Certainly, Chicago fans can get giddy to the point they don't think straight. I called it when the Bulls sign Ben Wallace that it was a huge mistake that they would regret and it was and they did. But Bulls fan ignored the numbers showing Wallace would not make them a better team and bought into the move that squandered their cap space. The delusion is different now though. Lebron is clearly a player the Bulls should love to be able to get. The delusion now is not the quality of the player but rather the idea that he would ever be in a Bulls uniform.

Chicago fans think they can get Lebron in a S&T and then add another piece with their cap space.

First, there is no way in hell Cavs management will agree to a trade that sends Lebron to Chicago no matter what they get back. You don't agree to a trade that sends your franchise's heart and soul to a division rival and enable them to stomp you for the next several years. Ain't gonna happen. No way, no how.

Second, the Cavs do not want Deng and his overpriced contract in return for Lebron.

Third, Lebron will not want to have to play in the shadow of MJ's legacy. The pressure to win a single championship is significant enough. The pressure to win at least or more than SIX championships to match Jordan's legacy is something I am sure Lebron does not want to sign up for.

Post #51 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sat May 15, 2010 1:05 pm

How do you know any of this? Were you on the bench or in the locker room?

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #52 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Sat May 15, 2010 2:30 pm

Mezotarkus wrote:Third, Lebron will not want to have to play in the shadow of MJ's legacy. The pressure to win a single championship is significant enough. The pressure to win at least or more than SIX championships to match Jordan's legacy is something I am sure Lebron does not want to sign up for.

Lebron is compared to Jordan everytime he steps on the court. Whether its in Chicago, Cleveland, or Dubai, Lebron is going to be in Jordan's shadow until he surpasses him.

The great players have ego's and I don't think Lebron is any different. He's not going to care "who played where" before he got there. He'll go to the best situation for him - whether its Cleveland, Chicago, or Miami.

TheCardinal20 · Post #53 » by **TheCardinal20** » Sat May 15, 2010 4:13 pm

Realistically, a sign and trade will not net much more than player of Deng's calibre...but any return is worth it if LeBron makes it clear he is not going to play in Cleveland in 2010-2011.

Post #54 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sat May 15, 2010 4:53 pm

See, that's where I differ. I don't think adding a player that merely makes us a middling team adds at all. I still think it's better to be really bad and possibly get a great player than ending up in the middle and getting role players in the draft.

Ballah · Post #55 » by **Ballah** » Sat May 15, 2010 5:31 pm

Lebron is going to take a long hard look at the Cleveland team and ask the question "can i win with this guys". At this point the sad truth is the answer is No. After that he is going to ask himself "can the team improve through the draft or free agency next year", and that is another big emphatic No. When he realizes he would have a much better team elsewhere (chicago or NJ, NOT NY) he is going to decide to leave, and it WILL be a tough decision. I firmly believe that in his heart he would prefer to stay here and if Orlando and Boston hadn't exposed us as a bad TEAM the last two years (Remember Lebron averaged like 40 during the Orlando series and if it wasn't for that game winner in game two we would have likely gotten swept by them) the decision would be very very easy, but at this point he needs to think about his legacy and the fact that this team won't be championship caliber in the near future. Of course if Delonte has been schtuping his mom all of this is completely moot, i wouldn't want that dude with his herpes looking face near my mommy.

Post #56 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sat May 15, 2010 5:35 pm

yeah, and had it not been for some unbelievable shooting by Orlando they probably would have won

I am consistently amused by how overrated the Nets players are. Weren't they actually challenging for the all time worst team in the NBA?

RussellandFlow · Post #57 » by **RussellandFlow** » Sat May 15, 2010 8:00 pm

You are correct that the Nets were historically bad this past season, but at the very least they have a legit, young and talented center in Lopez (which the Cavs do not have) and a solid pg in Harris who is better than Mo Williams, and most likely a top 3 pick in the draft. I do not believe he will go to NJ, but looking at the Cavs roster, and was has transpired the past two seasons in the playoffs, I just do not see him deciding to come back to Cleveland.

Ballah · Post #58 » by **Ballah** » Sat May 15, 2010 8:23 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:I am consistently amused by how overrated the Nets players are. Weren't they actually challenging for the all time worst team in the NBA?

The nets are good at the point guard and center positions and they will have a really high pick in a historically good draft.

gflem · Post #59 » by **gflem** » Sat May 15, 2010 8:34 pm

Harris may be better than Mo, but not this past year. Harris was inconsistent at best and looked like he had regressed. Maybe it was not having VC on his team, or maybe it was being on a terrible team but whatever it was he wasnt as good as last year. And he has not played in the playoffs before as far as I remember, and who knows how he react to the pressure, maybe the same way Mo has.
If they draft Wall, Harris will probably be moved, they play the same position and I dont know if Wall can play the 2 in the NBA. Maybe he can but IF Lebron were to go there, he wont get the touches that he would otherwise so that would affect his growth possibly.
As for NJ, or NY as possible places for Lebron to end up, well the tax structure in both places is prohibitive to most anyone who makes over $1 million, while places like Texas and Florida have NO state income taxes. Mia or Dallas would be much better for Lebron to consider as far as ownership, talent, front office, and the tax thing. Playing for Cuban is akin to playing for his current team owner in that the players are treated like royalty (no pun intended), in fact Cuban kind of started that trend.
Chicago is a great city, and I dont know what exactly thier tax situation is, but with the pols there I would have to believe taxes are quite high there as well. And Chicago while having young talent like Noah and Rose, they dont have anyone to match up with Dwight either. If Lebron stays east whether it is here or Chicago there is still that problem to consider.

Triumph36 · Post #60 » by **Triumph36** » Sat May 15, 2010 9:48 pm

Mezotarkus wrote:I'm not even a Cavs fan and this talk of Lebron to Chicago is annoying me.

Certainly, Chicago fans can get giddy to the point they don't think straight. I called it when the Bulls sign Ben Wallace that it was a huge mistake that they would regret and it was and they did. But Bulls fan ignored the numbers showing Wallace would not make them a better team and bought into the move that squandered their cap space. The delusion is different now though. Lebron is clearly a player the Bulls should love to be able to get. The delusion now is not the quality of the player but rather the idea that he would ever be in a Bulls uniform.

Chicago fans think they can get Lebron in a S&T and then add another piece with their cap space.

First, there is no way in hell Cavs management will agree to a trade that sends Lebron to Chicago no matter what they get back. You don't agree to a trade that sends your franchise's heart and soul to a division rival and enable them to stomp you for the next several years. Ain't gonna happen. No way, no how.

Second, the Cavs do not want Deng and his overpriced contract in return for Lebron.

Third, Lebron will not want to have to play in the shadow of MJ's legacy. The pressure to win a single championship is significant enough. The pressure to win at least or more than SIX championships to match Jordan's legacy is something I am sure Lebron does not want to sign up for.

I agree with everything but the end. Supposedly people in LBJ's inner circle claim he doesn't care about the whole MJ's shadow thing. Whether that's true or not...I dunno. But I think you're only thinking about one side of LeBron's ego. Consider the opposite. He goes to Chicago, pairs with a young team, and leads them to six championships over his career. With his HUGE ego and selfishness, winning as many titles as MJ IN MJ's city would honestly be the best possible turnout for his career. Better than leading Cleveland to their first championship. Better than leading the Knicks turnaround. He may look at it as a challenge, and I DO think the Bulls are a legit suitor for him.

But everything else you said was spot on. We aren't going to trade him for Deng. Or James Johnson. Or whoever else the Bulls would offer.