Well here is from the first ring to stop that similar to Gasol nonsense.
kasino wrote:For the 1st ring in his 4th season Kobe was 1 of 3 Lakers in double-digits the next
player behind his playoff 21/4/4 was Glen Rice's 12/4/2.
The next ring 1 of 4 in double-digits. He moved his overall production up 29/7/6 the next options were Derrick Fisher(13/3/3) and Rick Fox(10/4/3).
The last ring again 1 of 3 Lakers in double-digits. He posted 26/5/5 next to Fishers 10/3/3
During this time Kobe was the Lakers leader in assist, best defender and best closer.
It is clear that the 3peat Lakers were Shaq/Kobe dominating the league.
Those Lakers weren't even as balanced as the Showtime who had great 3-5 options. It was truly just Shaq/Kobe.
All I'm saying Kobe gets as much credit as KAJ/Magic for those rings.
So his career is on the level with Shaq/Duncan and if he wins this ring I think he seperates from Shaq/Duncan to go with Bird/Magic.
This is a re-post
microfib4thewin wrote:No, he wasn't. In 2000 his role was similar to Gasol, and even though he was great in 2001 and 2002 there is not enough to suggest that he could have won with a less efficient center. Then you have 2004 where he posted one of the worst and most selfish finals performance of all time. In 2005 and 2006 he wasn't really much of a team player, in 2007 he played with better control but still do not have team success to vault him anywhere on the all-time list. 2008 and 2009 were the only years where he was the second best player in the league and he led the team somewhere to back up his numbers. In 2010 he had sporadic months and many don't consider him to be top 5 in the regular season. So these are the years where he was a top 5 player.
2001, 2002, 2003, 2004*, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010**.
* - May not deserve it due to Finals performance.
** - Depending on how he plays the rest of the playoffs.
So he had 7 years where he was a definite top 5, and 2 years where it's debatable. Longevity wise, it doesn't beat Duncan or Shaq as their status as a top 5 player was a decade long. Peak wise, Duncan and Shaq had at least two years where they were the undisputed #1 in the league. Kobe has and will never have that kind of peak. Additionally, Duncan has won 4 titles as the clear cut best player on his team, while Shaq's 00-01 years was GOAT-worthy. How does Kobe winning a ring this year negate their difference in both peak and longevity?
Truly your entire post is strictly opinionated but....
2004 playoffs could be seen as a selfish Kobe who was forcing it
2004-2005 Shaq leaves Lakers miss the playoffs but after breaking up with another top 10 GOAT there will be adjustments
Next 2 years scoring champ with 1st round knockouts but with this as help:Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, and Kwame Brown Brian Cook. Very similar to Wade these past two years.
Next year MVP goes to the Finals
Then Wins a ring
Now in the WCF
that all adds u to
4× NBA Champion (2000, 2001, 2002, 2009)
NBA Finals MVP (2009)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)
12× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2010)
2× NBA scoring champion (2006–2007)
8× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2010)
2× All-NBA Second Team (2000–2001)
2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)
8× All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003–2004, 2006–2010)
2× All-Defensive Second Team (2001–2002)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009)
