Cavs off-season

[Pula_86]

I truly believe that LBJ is gone. I believe this Cavs team can be remade pretty quickly. What do you guys think of this.

Trade #1:
Chicago Gets:
LeBron James (sign & trade)
Daniel Gibson (LBJ friend)

Hornets Get:
Luol Deng
Anthony Parker

Cavs Get:
Darren Collsion
Peja Stojakovic (expiring)
Kirk Hinrich
Bulls 1st round pick (#15)

Trade #2:
Blazers Get:
Maurice Williams
Kirk Hinrich

Cavs Get:
Rudy Fernandez
Nicolas Batum

Sign Amir Johnson
Draft Hassan Whiteside

Cavs Lineup:
PG Darren Collison/Delonte West
SG Rudy Fernandez/Nicolas Batum
SF Antawn Jamison/Jamario Moon
PF JJ Hickson/Amir Johnson/Leon Powe
C Andy Varejao/Hasan Whiteside

[Effigy]

Neither Portland nor New Orleans does that. I'd rather have Collison cheap than overpaid Deng.

If Lebron leaves, you should just blow it up. Trade everyone for young prospects and start rebuilding through the draft. If you re-sign Z and keep the team together you'll probably make the playoffs as a 6 seed or something in the first year, and then get worse after that.

[tidho]

Trade 1 just doesn't happen.
I cannot imagina a scenario where we not only facilitate LeBron's departure in anyway but position Chicago to add a second max by taking on their salary. Your trade would set up Chicago to add LeBron and a second max. Rose, Noah, LeBron and Bosh win the East for the next ten years, lol.

Trade 2 I like.
I've always been a fan of Batum's potential and I think Mo needs to go whether LeBron resigns or not. Its just time for a change of scenary for him.

As for LeBron, I'm not convinced he's going anywhere. The man has loyalty tattoo'd across his chest. We'll see.

[Triumph36]

Neither deal is realistic.

You trade EVERYTHING except Hickson and Green for bad players on bad contracts and picks. Teams will often be willing to tack a 1st onto a bad contract if it gets it out. So that's what we do. We don't trade FOR expirings, we trade OUR expirings. Rack up the picks. Then when we have a solid young core, we target the big name free agents with our cap space.

[gflem]

Either Lebron re-signs with us, or we try to work a S&T. Period. Everything else is seconday. There will be a lot of noise from now until the decision, and I am seriously considering devoting my time and interest elsewhere until that point.
OT, the headline in the pd said "Cavs bow out". They didnt bow out they courtseyed out. The teams in the WNBA foul harder than the Cavs did in a deciding game. In fact, my friends and I foul each other harder in friendly pickup games. And were in our forties.
I hope whoever ends up on this team has some heart and some balls too. I nearly puked watching team tampax last night lay down every time Rondo waltzed down the lane. Disgusting effort.

[Triumph36]

Either Lebron re-signs with us, or we try to work a S&T. Period. Everything else is seconday. There will be a lot of noise from now until the decision, and I am seriously considering devoting my time and interest elsewhere until that point.
OT, the headline in the pd said "Cavs bow out". They didnt bow out they courtseyed out. The teams in the WNBA foul harder than the Cavs did in a deciding game. In fact, my friends and I foul each other harder in friendly pickup games. And were in our forties.
I hope whoever ends up on this team has some heart and some balls too. I nearly puked watching team tampax last night lay down every time Rondo waltzed down the lane. Disgusting effort.

No. Unless it's to LA for Bynum.

[stoleyoho]

I agree with tidho if you let lebron go on a sign and trade and leave chicago with room for another max the entire league is screwed for 10 years. But if the bulls get lebron they are def. going to drop luol or kirk to leave room for that 2nd free agent even if they dump them for a 2nd or 3rd rounder someone is going to take them. So if cleveland doesnt do a sign and trade cuz they think it will hurt them its going to eventually happen in the end. If you guys lose lebron to chicago its gonna be ugly to say the least. So with that being said, please come here lebron chicagos waiting with open arms. LOL

[lujavan]

ROFL i couldn't stop laughing at the thread title.

[mcaul55]

Either Lebron re-signs with us, or we try to work a S&T. Period. Everything else is seconday. There will be a lot of noise from now until the decision, and I am seriously considering devoting my time and interest elsewhere until that point.
OT, the headline in the pd said "Cavs bow out". They didnt bow out they courtseyed out. The teams in the WNBA foul harder than the Cavs did in a deciding game. In fact, my friends and I foul each other harder in friendly pickup games. And were in our forties.
I hope whoever ends up on this team has some heart and some balls too. I nearly puked watching team tampax last night lay down every time Rondo waltzed down the lane. Disgusting effort.

No. Unless it's to LA for Bynum.

how on earth could you be so prideful? Do you truthfully believe that and would rather see him go for absolutely nothing? I understand your frustration given the recent lost, but keeping a narrow perspective like that is no way to find success. I mean, even the Pistons accepted Chucky Atkins and Ben Wallace for Grant Hill.

[TheOUTLAW]

I'd rather see him go for nothing than get overpriced talent or crap. Why give him more money or make it easier for the other team. Screw em both.

The Pistons got crap and just completely lucked out on Ben.

[Triumph36]

I'd rather see him go for nothing than get overpriced talent or crap. Why give him more money or make it easier for the other team. Screw em both.

The Pistons got crap and just completely lucked out on Ben.

Yep.

I don't think it's narrow minded at all. Would an overhyped Wilson Chandler lead us to success? Nope. What about CDR or whoever the Nets would offer? Nope. Roddy from Dallas? Nope. Beasley from Miami? Already have one headcase in Delonte, no thanks.

I'll happily S&T him if we get a star-esque young player like Bynum to build around. He would have a big effect on our future, and more importantly, he plays a position where young talent is scarce. Pretty much any other trade (at least one LBJ would be willing to accept) simply isn't worth it to us. If he walks, he walks. We'll survive with him or without him.

[gflem]

I dont think it is narrow minded either. We cant hamstring ourselves with marginal talent at hugely over priced contracts just to say we got something rather that nothing. Good young talent, many draft picks. Not overpriced vets. If Lebron is to go, it is total rebuild time.
Oh, and whoever wants Lebron in a S&T would have to take Jamison and his contract as well. We wont need him, and it wouldnt be fair to him to stay on a rebuilding team, not that I really care, but he would win a few games on his own against lesser teams.

[panthermark]

What if Deng came with James Johnson and the rights to the Bobcat's uprotected future first rounder?

[RRT]

we need to trade for alot of picks...

[gflem]

The man, the myth, the legend, James Johnson? The myth part: that he was a good defender? He couldnt stay on the floor, a foul a minute guy. The legend: Like sasquatch there were sightings, but they were brief and unsubstantiated. No thanks.
I actually kind of like Deng, but no this isnt even a place to start from our perspective. We dont want him in our conference if he goes let alone in our division to a rival. Let Lebron take a pay cut and cut our losses before we take on that kind of package.

[panthermark]

The man, the myth, the legend, James Johnson? The myth part: that he was a good defender? He couldnt stay on the floor, a foul a minute guy. The legend: Like sasquatch there were sightings, but they were brief and unsubstantiated. No thanks.
I actually kind of like Deng, but no this isnt even a place to start from our perspective. We dont want him in our conference if he goes let alone in our division to a rival. Let Lebron take a pay cut and cut our losses before we take on that kind of package.

I can understand the thought of letting him walk for nothing....it just seems like a tough pill to swallow.

To be fair...it is a jacked up situation. There is really no package the Bulls could (or better yet, would) give to the Cavs that would even begin to make this a "fair" deal.....especially if Bron was willing to sign with Chicago outright.

Who knows....I still think Bron stays in Cleveland.