Is Mo Being Missused?

King_Supreme · Post #1 » by **King_Supreme** » Sun May 16, 2010 9:54 pm

Knicks fans here...
I was wondering your opinion on Mo. I watched the series, and noticed that he's pretty much a spot-up shooter on the Cavs and not a scorer. I understand he's gets a lot of open looks playing with Bron, but does he usually get chances to attack the rim? Because in game 6, I noticed he's a much better scorer when he's attacking rather than shooting(for the first half, he got a lot points in the paint), so does Mo attack usually or does he just shoot?

Post #2 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sun May 16, 2010 10:08 pm

it really seems to depend on his mood. The Cavs best play all season tended to be when Mo went baseline and LeBron or anyone else really got a back screen coming down the middle of the lane for what was normally a dunk. He really didn't tend to do it enough though.

People always view Mo as a spot up shooter when he's really one of the quickest players in the NBA IMO. He's also got a very good handle. He just doesn't seem to go inside enough.

King_Supreme · Post #3 » by **King_Supreme** » Sun May 16, 2010 10:18 pm

Hmm so if he attaked more like in game 6, would he be that legit 2nd option that Bron needs?

Post #4 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sun May 16, 2010 10:25 pm

I'm still not sure he'd be consistent enough, but I think that the Cavs offense would be better and people wouldn't be able to guard him as closely.

old skool · Post #5 » by **old skool** » Mon May 17, 2010 12:36 am

The fact remains that when teams double Lebron, other players are left open and those players need to knock down their shots. That includes Mo. Mo will never have the luxury of having the offense built around him. He will have to take what is given to him. During the regular season, that will include a lot of chances to drive to the rim. In the playoffs, teams will pack the inside and force you to beat them from the outside.

oLd sKool

rapsncavs · Post #6 » by **rapsncavs** » Mon May 17, 2010 1:04 am

I don't see how he would be effective as a scorer.

daboywonder2007 · Post #7 » by **daboywonder2007** » Mon May 17, 2010 6:41 pm

i think they missed delonte and his ball handling last yr. they were most effec when they had 3 ballhandlers on the court in mo, west and bron. parker didn't bring that same skillset. yes, that had more size. but it just wasn't the same.

RRT · Post #8 » by **RRT** » Mon May 17, 2010 7:28 pm

What seems to be the case, IMO, is Mo doesn't take care of his body, I mean yeah he's a natural athlete, and he's able to go OFF in one game, then next game, he's dead silent, doesn't seem like stamina's there, being able to be consistent, like everybody else says, it's just not there, that's half of the problem, the other half is mental, his confidence seems to be up and down a lot, once he's hot he's hot really quickly, but a miss or 2 and he's shut down dead cold. He needs to do alot more ball handling, get a really good feeling of the ball, and way to work his confidence in every game, and it's possible that his first part of the problem works itself into this too, I don't know.

mcfly1204 · Post #9 » by **mcfly1204** » Mon May 17, 2010 8:34 pm

Playing with LeBron almost forces you to be a role player. I really think Cleveland needs to start running a more traditional offense while having LeBron play off the ball more. To me, it would make more sense to get LeBron the ball inside of 18 feet as opposed to letting the defense get set while he dribbles at the top of the key. Cleveland needs to go get a veteran coach that can fit the pieces together better.

daboywonder2007 · Post #10 » by **daboywonder2007** » Mon May 17, 2010 9:58 pm

kobe didn't have a pg. jordan didn't have a pg. ok you can say but they had the triangle. but the lakers don't run the triangle every possession. wade had a pg. but he was still doing the majority of the ball handling. bron is a playmaker thats what he does. he should have the ball in his hands most of the time.

RRT · Post #11 » by **RRT** » Mon May 17, 2010 10:12 pm

daboywonder2007 wrote:kobe didn't have a pg. jordan didn't have a pg. ok you can say but they had the triangle. but the lakers don't run the triangle every possession. wade had a pg. but he was still doing the majority of the ball handling. bron is a playmaker thats what he does. he should have the ball in his hands most of the time.

they didn't need a point guard, since they both played the triangle during championship years, actually they kinda played the point, in LA Kobe & Odom handle most of ball handling.

Diggr14 · Post #12 » by **Diggr14** » Mon May 17, 2010 11:17 pm

Mo is not a point guard. From Utah to Milwaukee us fans have watched his game first hand for years. I know some of you think he should be a point guard based on size, but he is not a distributer.. he is more of a shooting/scoring guard. It's nice that you guys have had LeBron to dominate the ball and basically cover up this glaring weakness in his game.. but going forward next year when LeBron is not in Cleveland, you guys will be really frustrated with his game as we were in Milwaukee. Even on nights he scored a ton, he just seemed pretty inefficient and his defense usually negated any positives his scoring brought.

RRT · Post #13 » by **RRT** » Tue May 18, 2010 12:01 am

weren't you guys mad after he was traded to cavs?

mcfly1204 · Post #14 » by **mcfly1204** » Tue May 18, 2010 12:48 pm

daboywonder2007 wrote:kobe didn't have a pg. jordan didn't have a pg. ok you can say but they had the triangle. but the lakers don't run the triangle every possession. wade had a pg. but he was still doing the majority of the ball handling. bron is a playmaker thats what he does. he should have the ball in his hands most of the time.

The Lakers ran their offense through Shaq which enables Kobe to play off of him. During the Bulls second 3-peat, Jordan was the PG, plus, as even you pointed out, the Bulls ran the triangle... a lot. There is a difference between being a ball handler, and a ball dominator.

marcus15 · Post #15 » by **marcus15** » Tue May 18, 2010 6:36 pm

I feel Mo should be sent out if it can help land us someone like Bosh, Gay or Iguodala.

Boobie can basically do what Mo gives this team with better defense and more consistent shooting.

J the Drafter · Post #16 » by **J the Drafter** » Tue May 18, 2010 9:03 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:
daboywonder2007 wrote:kobe didn't have a pg. jordan didn't have a pg. ok you can say but they had the triangle. but the lakers don't run the triangle every possession. wade had a pg. but he was still doing the majority of the ball handling. bron is a playmaker thats what he does. he should have the ball in his hands most of the time.

The Lakers ran their offense through Shaq which enables Kobe to play off of him. During the Bulls second 3-peat, Jordan was the PG, plus, as even you pointed out, the Bulls ran the triangle... a lot. There is a difference between being a ball handler, and a ball dominator.

Pippen was a good playmaker as well. I've heard he took on alot of the responsiblity for ball-handling.

mavs4life123 · Post #17 » by **mavs4life123** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:16 pm

All of a sudden since the cavs got eliminated from the playoffs, lebron james supporting cast is not good enough but it was good enough in the reg. season. :lol:

Problem is when your best player doesnt play to par, your teammates follow suit.

People need to realize that hollinger is a MORON.

Lebron does not make his teammates better, he makes them look better. He needs to focus on helping improve his teammates individual game instead of worrying about his stats and triple doubles. Its one thing to make a pass when you know your going to get credited for an assists compared to making a pass to allow your teammate freedom to be in control with the ball and either score or make a play.

Lebron might be the most dominant player in the league but he's def. not the best nor skilled.

RRT · Post #18 » by **RRT** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:30 pm

mavs4life123 wrote:All of a sudden since the cavs got eliminated from the playoffs, lebron james supporting cast is not good enough but it was good enough in the reg. season.

Problem is when your best player doesnt play to par, your teammates follow suit.

People need to realize that hollinger is a MORON.

Lebron does not make his teammates better, he makes them look better. He needs to focus on helping improve his teammates individual game instead of worrying about his stats and triple doubles. Its one thing to make a pass when you know your going to get credited for an assists compared to making a pass to allow your teammate freedom to be in control with the ball and either score or make a play.

Lebron might be the most dominant player in the league but he's def. not the best nor skilled.

Look man, our regular season team is great, and if our mission was just to make the playoffs like Mavs are, we'd be content, but we're trying to do more than that, just saying.

Post #19 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:56 pm

Okay, what a dumb statement. "Lebron doesn't make his teammates better, he makes them look better." That completely contradicts your thinking that the "his teammates were good enough in the regular season." It's just idiotic that LeBron could make them better players. That's impossible. All he can do is put them in a position to make shots.

mavs4life123 · Post #20 » by **mavs4life123** » Wed May 19, 2010 2:26 am

No..Being a leader means trusting your teammates throughout the course of the season to gain confidence and develop rythm in their game. Not just giving them the ball when it means that you will be awarded an assists. When you get to the post season, the cavs supporting casts does not know better than to wait for lebron to do everything so when they are asked to do different things throughout the course of a series, they are not accustomed to do so. Thats why I blame the media and you fans who overhype this man's stats and PER. You guys realize that your offense is 1 dimentional therefore results in nothing more than STATS when it matters mosts.

I unlike the rest of you, am not going to come in here and say that the mavs do not have a great supporting casts because we do. I will admit like a man and say that we chocked under pressure and could not get it done. You wont see me writing how dirk has a poor cast like how you fans are doing.