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Re: OT: Top 5 Dead Or Alive....Plus Nice Tracks 

Post#101 » by TheBluest » Mon May 17, 2010 4:07 am

TKF wrote:Did FAt Joe just say wayne was the best rapper alive now? You know that is some BS.. I hate these guys trying to be so politically correct, so they won't mess up their chance at a colabo, down the road.. If joe really means that, then I have lost some respect for that cat.. I mean come on...

As far as DMX, you are right, his timing may have been off a bit, but He was a straight up beast.... in your face style.. No holds barred..



I honestly think Fat Joe was speaking from the heart which was sad and yet I appreciate it... because I do feel he was being authentic here. He didn't get political with Biggie, he shat on Mos, he gave major props to KRS-1, kept it real when discussing projected All-Time status if Big, Pac, Pun would have kept going. I thought he did very well with his assessment here although i disagreed with him just like yourself. I do think he's bonded with Wayne/South/Miami music scene in general which can sometimes skew things a little. But once again overall I thought he gave a consistent breakdown.

As far as DMX dude wasn't a personality you could package and make tangible. He was too Raw but as an Artist in all facets of Hip-Hop he had all areas covered. I think when looking at if an artist is lyrical it's hard to look at them accurately if the artist didn't give you enough lyrical content. But if you look at their tracks which contained lyrical content, then obviously you know it was there. DMX was too crazy personally to brand as an individual nor would he embrace it. Too many demons he was fighting literally.
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Post#102 » by TKF » Mon May 17, 2010 4:17 am

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TKF wrote:Did FAt Joe just say wayne was the best rapper alive now? You know that is some BS.. I hate these guys trying to be so politically correct, so they won't mess up their chance at a colabo, down the road.. If joe really means that, then I have lost some respect for that cat.. I mean come on...

As far as DMX, you are right, his timing may have been off a bit, but He was a straight up beast.... in your face style.. No holds barred..



I honestly think Fat Joe was speaking from the heart which was sad and yet I appreciate it... because I do feel he was being authentic here. He didn't get political with Biggie, he shat on Mos, he gave major props to KRS-1, kept it real when projected All-Time status if Big, Pac, Pun would have kept goin. I thought he did very well with his assessment here although i disagreed with him just like yourself. I do think he's bonded with Wayne/South/Miami music scene in general which can sometimes skew things a little. But once again overall I thought he gave a consistent breakdown.

As far as DMX dude wasn't a personality you could package and make tangible. He was too Raw but as an Artist in all facets of Hip-Hop he had all areas covered. I think when looking at if an artist if lyrical it's hard to look at them accurately if they artist didn't give you enough lyrical content. But if you look at their tracks which contained lyrical content then obviously you know it was there. DMX was too crazy personally to brand as an individual nor would he embrace it. Too many demons he was fighting literally.


yea, you broke DMX down perfectly.... I agree 100%

As far as FAt Joe, I think he has bonded with wayne and the southern scene.. that is fine, but I don't agree with him there at all.. LOL.. He shat on MOS Def in a polite way, saying he likes him as a an actor more.. LOL.. he did acknowledge that people consider mos def one of the best, but I think that was off.. Mos Def is definately as talented as they come in rap... IMO

Lauryn Hill? LOL.. I wish people stop calling her the best female rapper. Talented singer, but what rap songs does she have? I think LIL kim smokes her in every way.... but that is just me..
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Post#103 » by TKF » Mon May 17, 2010 4:19 am

adjacent2bench wrote:Yea I liked his analysis of those rappers except for the Wayne part. Put a gun to Joe's head and ask him who he truly thinks is the best rapper alive and Wayne will just be an afterthought. Definitely being politicaly correct being that he does many tracks with Wayne.


I agree, although as bluest mentioned, he has kind of bonded with wayne and the southern scene, deep down, I think you would get a different answer if he had no ties to that cat...
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Post#104 » by Manhattan Project » Mon May 17, 2010 4:20 am

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I think he's the only Rap Artist to have 5 Consecutive Release Albums go #1 on the Billboards in history. But ask someone how many Classics he had and they will struggle to give you a definitive number. From this interview 50cent basically says he sold records or built his fame from saying he got shot in his records, DMX was 50cent before him.... but his timing may have been slightly off. Although you could say RR did brand themselves to an extent. He said Common/Mos/Talib were Drake/Wale/Kudi before they arrived but no one cares about a conscience rapper. They either want aggression or gimmicks


I mean I think 3 is the answer to that question. You can really see the parallels between when DMX came onto the scene and when 50 did, that's a good observation.
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Post#105 » by TheBluest » Mon May 17, 2010 4:27 am

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I think he's the only Rap Artist to have 5 Consecutive Release Albums go #1 on the Billboards in history. But ask someone how many Classics he had and they will struggle to give you a definitive number. From this interview 50cent basically says he sold records or built his fame from saying he got shot in his records, DMX was 50cent before him.... but his timing may have been slightly off. Although you could say RR did brand themselves to an extent. He said Common/Mos/Talib were Drake/Wale/Kudi before they arrived but no one cares about a conscience rapper. They either want aggression or gimmicks


I mean I think 3 is the answer to that question. You can really see the parallels between when DMX came onto the scene and when 50 did, that's a good observation.



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Post#106 » by TheBluest » Mon May 17, 2010 4:37 am

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TKF wrote:Did FAt Joe just say wayne was the best rapper alive now? You know that is some BS.. I hate these guys trying to be so politically correct, so they won't mess up their chance at a colabo, down the road.. If joe really means that, then I have lost some respect for that cat.. I mean come on...

As far as DMX, you are right, his timing may have been off a bit, but He was a straight up beast.... in your face style.. No holds barred..



I honestly think Fat Joe was speaking from the heart which was sad and yet I appreciate it... because I do feel he was being authentic here. He didn't get political with Biggie, he shat on Mos, he gave major props to KRS-1, kept it real when projected All-Time status if Big, Pac, Pun would have kept goin. I thought he did very well with his assessment here although i disagreed with him just like yourself. I do think he's bonded with Wayne/South/Miami music scene in general which can sometimes skew things a little. But once again overall I thought he gave a consistent breakdown.

As far as DMX dude wasn't a personality you could package and make tangible. He was too Raw but as an Artist in all facets of Hip-Hop he had all areas covered. I think when looking at if an artist if lyrical it's hard to look at them accurately if they artist didn't give you enough lyrical content. But if you look at their tracks which contained lyrical content then obviously you know it was there. DMX was too crazy personally to brand as an individual nor would he embrace it. Too many demons he was fighting literally.


yea, you broke DMX down perfectly.... I agree 100%

As far as FAt Joe, I think he has bonded with wayne and the southern scene.. that is fine, but I don't agree with him there at all.. LOL.. He shat on MOS Def in a polite way, saying he likes him as a an actor more.. LOL.. he did acknowledge that people consider mos def one of the best, but I think that was off.. Mos Def is definately as talented as they come in rap... IMO

Lauryn Hill? LOL.. I wish people stop calling her the best female rapper. Talented singer, but what rap songs does she have? I think LIL kim smokes her in every way.... but that is just me..


I'm sure Lost One is a major reason for respecting her lyricism. She had some bars with the Fugees. What I feel is out of place is her body of work as a solo rap artist. There isn't enough there even if you add up all her appearances on any project. But if you take her skills in vacuum oh no question she's going to get at anyone that's in front of her no problem. I still have Lyte as my #1.

I really don't get where Joey was coming from with Mos. IMO it showed me there are probably artist in the industry who don't take time to listen to an aritst lyrically. Some are only concerned if an artist has LYRICS TO MAKE HIT RECORDS. If so then you're great in there eyes or if you helped them produce a hit record then likewise. Mos should crack many Top 10 list. Often he doesn't. But Joe is close to Khaled/Ace/Jeezy/T-Pain/Rawse etc etc so as has been stated he's probably showing a tad bit of favoritism but unfortunately and fortunately it sounded as if 95% of it was all Joe.
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Post#107 » by Manhattan Project » Mon May 17, 2010 4:42 am

I actually don't understand what Jay had anything to do with this, because at this time I believe he was outside of Bad Boy Records trying to get some attention. He used to spit over those street war CD's over Dilla beats during the time that Benzino was getting killed.

I also think Jay got it completely wrong, if anything that entire Benzino/Eminem broadened Eminem's grip on everything because of how one lopsided it was. It was Ja Rule that took the attention away from the global plan because that just never ended.

I mean it comes down to who controls the money, identity of the culture. Jay is just saying that Eminem right now is being regarded as the best in a culture that he shouldn't be controlling. Blah blah blah. However Benzino is the one that controls the fate of rappers, no? Benzino tried to "Slay" Eminem with a One Mic. So what does that mean?

I don't think it was a gimmick nor a message really, just a peep inside the abstract mind that is Jay Electronica. I have to agree though, Pharoahe Monch is criminally slept on.
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Post#108 » by TKF » Mon May 17, 2010 5:19 am

I'm sure Lost One is a major reason for respecting her lyricism. She had some bars with the Fugees. What I feel is out of place is her body of work as a solo rap artist. There isn't enough there even if you add up all her appearances on any project. But if you take her skills in vacuum oh no question she's going to get at anyone that's in front of her no problem. I still have Lyte as my #1.

I really don't get where Joey was coming from with Mos. IMO it showed me there are probably artist in the industry who don't take time to listen to an aritst lyrically. Some are only concerned if an artist has LYRICS TO MAKE HIT RECORDS. If so then you're great in there eyes or if you helped them produce a hit record then likewise. Mos should crack many Top 10 list. Often he doesn't. But Joe is close to Khaled/Ace/Jeezy/T-Pain/Rawse etc etc so as has been stated he's probably showing a tad bit of favoritism but unfortunately and fortunately it sounded as if 95% of it was all Joe.


definately MC lyte is #1 for me, but lauryn hill as you said, doesn't have enough body of work as a solo artist to be mentioned in this kind of convo.... I would put little kim over here and behind lyte of course...
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Post#109 » by Big C » Mon May 17, 2010 5:25 am

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TheBluest wrote:I really liked when he brought DMX into this interview because I've tried to mention his name on several occasions when discussing Hip-Hop greats and perception of an Artist.


IMO he is the hardest rapper to rank. Never crazy with lyrics, but always put out great music. He had two albums debut at number one in the same year, second to do it behind Tupac. IMO he essentially had rap on lock 98-2000. He always brought an untouched energy to every track. He also had a couple of duds for albums.

Not really sure where he fits. For me personally Id have him in the 10-16 range because when he is on he is damn good.


DMX does have a lot of lyrics. I remember a few battles he had with Jay-z and some even felt DMX won behind the scenes. DMX waters down his lyrics to sell albums. To be honest DMX would be one top of the rap game (I'm not talking about lyrics) if he did not have a drug problem.
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Post#110 » by Manhattan Project » Mon May 17, 2010 5:32 am

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DMX does have a lot of lyrics. I remember a few battles he had with Jay-z and some even felt DMX won behind the scenes. DMX waters down his lyrics to sell albums. To be honest DMX would be one top of the rap game (I'm not talking about lyrics) if he did not have a drug problem.


Lyrics, sure. However I don't ever expect to hear someone say that line just blew me away. He doesn't have ABC lyrics, I'm not saying that at all. As far as the Jay-Z freestyles, Ive never seen them or heard them. So I can only go on hearsay and we all know how that goes.
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Post#111 » by Big C » Mon May 17, 2010 5:38 am

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I honestly think Fat Joe was speaking from the heart which was sad and yet I appreciate it... because I do feel he was being authentic here. He didn't get political with Biggie, he shat on Mos, he gave major props to KRS-1, kept it real when projected All-Time status if Big, Pac, Pun would have kept goin. I thought he did very well with his assessment here although i disagreed with him just like yourself. I do think he's bonded with Wayne/South/Miami music scene in general which can sometimes skew things a little. But once again overall I thought he gave a consistent breakdown.

As far as DMX dude wasn't a personality you could package and make tangible. He was too Raw but as an Artist in all facets of Hip-Hop he had all areas covered. I think when looking at if an artist if lyrical it's hard to look at them accurately if they artist didn't give you enough lyrical content. But if you look at their tracks which contained lyrical content then obviously you know it was there. DMX was too crazy personally to brand as an individual nor would he embrace it. Too many demons he was fighting literally.


yea, you broke DMX down perfectly.... I agree 100%

As far as FAt Joe, I think he has bonded with wayne and the southern scene.. that is fine, but I don't agree with him there at all.. LOL.. He shat on MOS Def in a polite way, saying he likes him as a an actor more.. LOL.. he did acknowledge that people consider mos def one of the best, but I think that was off.. Mos Def is definately as talented as they come in rap... IMO

Lauryn Hill? LOL.. I wish people stop calling her the best female rapper. Talented singer, but what rap songs does she have? I think LIL kim smokes her in every way.... but that is just me..


I'm sure Lost One is a major reason for respecting her lyricism. She had some bars with the Fugees. What I feel is out of place is her body of work as a solo rap artist. There isn't enough there even if you add up all her appearances on any project. But if you take her skills in vacuum oh no question she's going to get at anyone that's in front of her no problem. I still have Lyte as my #1.

I really don't get where Joey was coming from with Mos. IMO it showed me there are probably artist in the industry who don't take time to listen to an aritst lyrically. Some are only concerned if an artist has LYRICS TO MAKE HIT RECORDS. If so then you're great in there eyes or if you helped them produce a hit record then likewise. Mos should crack many Top 10 list. Often he doesn't. But Joe is close to Khaled/Ace/Jeezy/T-Pain/Rawse etc etc so as has been stated he's probably showing a tad bit of favoritism but unfortunately and fortunately it sounded as if 95% of it was all Joe.


I heard Lyte rhyme since she was in high school. As much as I am a fan of hers, she is nowhere near Hill. Hill is not just the best female rapper, but she is one of the best to ever pick up a mic. I remember back in 94 when I meet her backstage at a Nas show. SHe was freestyling for hours while to a Craig Mack flavor in your Ear beat. From what I heard from her I have never heard someone spit rhymes like that.
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Post#112 » by Big C » Mon May 17, 2010 5:43 am

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DMX does have a lot of lyrics. I remember a few battles he had with Jay-z and some even felt DMX won behind the scenes. DMX waters down his lyrics to sell albums. To be honest DMX would be one top of the rap game (I'm not talking about lyrics) if he did not have a drug problem.


Lyrics, sure. However I don't ever expect to hear someone say that line just blew me away. He doesn't have ABC lyrics, I'm not saying that at all. As far as the Jay-Z freestyles, Ive never seen them or heard them. So I can only go on hearsay and we all know how that goes.

I hear what your saying, however I am not even a DMX fan. You don't have to blow someone away to beat someone in a battle. You just have to have endurance to go back to back.
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Post#115 » by j4remi » Sun May 23, 2010 10:06 pm

Haven't been in this thread for a minute. DMX is undoubtedly a great from his prime, but his prime imho was really only albums 1 and 2 and then he started to fade quality wise (similar scenario to Em but that's just my opinion). X without the drugs is a BEAST who could make rugged raps that are still catchy. Unlike 50, he never switched his style to sell and stuck to keeping street feel with some popular styling mixed in.

Fat Joe's break downs: Rakim = Goat...I agree that he's a top three. KRS love, well worth it. Not into the backpack thing, that's fine. Weezy greatest now? Shows you that he's part of a certain school of thought, nothing more or less. He goes with sells, rather than quality...that's fine. He uses sells to pump Jay up too, but if we're talking quality, Jay Z has faded.

Benzino vid...nothing new from him. Dude really still dying for attention and hurtin' from the Sauce and Bully.

Jay Electronica: I think what he's trying to say, is that hip hop is going global and reaching out to multiple cultures...Em became the face pushed out to the masses because the black market is already controlled, they needed someone to reach out to a new group and Em becomes that spokesperson. Where he loses me, is pointing out that they've tried it with other white rappers...the reason they failed is obviously because they weren't very talented. Hip Hop continues to search for white rappers to sell today, Asher Roth clearly was targeting a different group of buyers and it didn't work. Em's staying power is a testament to the fact that he actually has talent. Pharoah Monche is a dope slept on emcee, but he had kind of a Nas effect where his first works put him on a pedestal that he could never reach again.

Beyond that, Jay seems to be on some Jimmy I is the devil, conspiracy theory tip (if you've seen his interviews he really has a big bone to pick with the "man")...This isn't illuminati nonsense. Eminem isn't being pushed by the devil neither is Jay-Z. Success creates jealousy, confusion and a need to validate...that's all Electronica is doing imho.
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