The LeBron Thread

[mjhp911]

Put 'em all here going forward, please. It's gotten way out of hand, so we need to clean this up. Thanks.

[knicksup19]

this has not shot at working, people believe there ideas are ground-breaking and deserves its on thread, rather than be bury on page 12 of this thread..., laws of social nature will not allow this to work, as new Lebron info, comes out daily.. tomorrow it will be lebron cousin said he going to the clips. lol

[hondaaccord]

This could be the longest thread in realgm history

[hondaaccord]

This could be the longest thread in realgm history

[I am Ra]

This could be the longest thread in realgm history

If everyone double posts maybe.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I have never doubted that this is where Lebron wants to and needs to be.

If it happens, I'm ecstatic. But in the event that it doesn't, all things considered, I'm not crushed.
I believe dude threw game 5. I think he's a great, great player, maybe when it's said and done THE greatest. But he comes off like an awful person with too many agendas aside from winning basketball.
Not saying him being a business-man is bad because I admire that but now I hear there's an article coming out about his relationship w/the Cavs becoming "frayed" in the last few months. Did they not build this dude the ultimate practice facility? A roster that fits exactly what he does? Was Shaq, even an aging one, for Ben Wallace's expiring an ambitious move? One a championship contending team would make? Didn't he have say on the Jamison trade? And Mike Brown, wasn't this "his" guy for all intents and purpose?

Look, I'm not saying the organization didn't make mistakes. Who doesn't? But for all their misgivings they seemed to truly hand him the keys to the franchise. A talent like his should be catered to and again, I admire that he knows his worth. But he's the kinda guy that I'd take more pride in beating than in joining. Maybe it's the media. But dude threw that game y'all. Watch it again....watch game 6 too for that matter. The whole elbow thing was a sham and he showed a selfish side of his personality that betrays his (usual) on-court M.O., particular in the cryptic post game comments.

Then this whole Chicago thing...it seems like Lebron is kinda being pimped by Wes. I thought dude was a guy with all the connections but no direct stake (as far as it's known) really in anything. Now he's gonna start managing college coaches, wants to reunite Coach Cal (who was a horrid NBA coach btw) with Derrick Rose and will bring the biggest young star in the sport as a sort of consolation prize?

I know Donnie is tied to Wes too and I ain't sour grapin' but it all smells shady. As long as we don't sign/trade for the wrong guys this summer or next, mission accomplished. Two weeks ago, I wouldn't have told you that. When you hear Clyde talk about "the epitome of team" when he references his Knick years, don't you wish we had some really talented guys that we could really root for, not solely because they were our talent but because maybe we could relate? I'll take a star any day of the week but watching those 90's Knick teams was just....New York City. You feel me? Not this giant Starbucks they call New York either but I guess that's what it is. Sports do reflect the times we live in and I ain't trying to be a dinosaur so yeah, I adapt. But I know certain things are forever and being a stand up guy should always mean something.

Now with that.....Donnie, call up Wesley Johnson, Walker, Person..Chuck Person whoever! Coach Cal and Coach K (I heard Lebron likes him too), anybody who's anybody Lebron-associated offer them a job, your job! Hire their family's family, do whatever to get them #6 jerseys in blue and orange flooding the world.

But seriously I'll settle for Rubio.

[nyknicks2k2]

[Subway Token]

Dis will never work bro. Make sub-threads at least. Like - trade rumors, destination rumors, articles, etc.

[Knick4Real]

I have never doubted that this is where Lebron wants to and needs to be.

If it happens, I'm ecstatic. But in the event that it doesn't, all things considered, I'm not crushed.
I believe dude threw game 5. I think he's a great, great player, maybe when it's said and done THE greatest. But he comes off like an awful person with too many agendas aside from winning basketball.
Not saying him being a business-man is bad because I admire that but now I hear there's an article coming out about his relationship w/the Cavs becoming "frayed" in the last few months. Did they not build this dude the ultimate practice facility? A roster that fits exactly what he does? Was Shaq, even an aging one, for Ben Wallace's expiring an ambitious move? One a championship contending team would make? Didn't he have say on the Jamison trade? And Mike Brown, wasn't this "his" guy for all intents and purpose?

Look, I'm not saying the organization didn't make mistakes. Who doesn't? But for all their misgivings they seemed to truly hand him the keys to the franchise. A talent like his should be catered to and again, I admire that he knows his worth. But he's the kinda guy that I'd take more pride in beating than in joining. Maybe it's the media. But dude threw that game y'all. Watch it again....watch game 6 too for that matter. The whole elbow thing was a sham and he showed a selfish side of his personality that betrays his (usual) on-court M.O., particular in the cryptic post game comments.

Then this whole Chicago thing...it seems like Lebron is kinda being pimped by Wes. I thought dude was a guy with all the connections but no direct stake (as far as it's known) really in anything. Now he's gonna start managing college coaches, wants to reunite Coach Cal (who was a horrid NBA coach btw) with Derrick Rose and will bring the biggest young star in the sport as a sort of consolation prize?

I know Donnie is tied to Wes too and I ain't sour grapin' but it all smells shady. As long as we don't sign/trade for the wrong guys this summer or next, mission accomplished. Two weeks ago, I wouldn't have told you that. When you hear Clyde talk about "the epitome of team" when he references his Knick years, don't you wish we had some really talented guys that we could really root for, not solely because they were our talent but because maybe we could relate? I'll take a star any day of the week but watching those 90's Knick teams was just....New York City. You feel me? Not this giant Starbucks they call New York either but I guess that's what it is. Sports do reflect the times we live in and I ain't trying to be a dinosaur so yeah, I adapt. But I know certain things are forever and being a stand up guy should always mean something.

Now with that.....Donnie, call up Wesley Johnson, Walker, Person..Chuck Person whoever! Coach Cal and Coach K (I heard Lebron likes him too), anybody who's anybody Lebron-associated offer them a job, your job! Hire their family's family, do whatever to get them #6 jerseys in blue and orange flooding the world.

But seriously I'll settle for Rubio.

EXCELLENT POST!!!

You make some great points. But I especially agree with the whole William Wesley angle. We all know Wes is part of what LeBron calls his "team." So what is this guy doing trying to pull Calipari back into the NBA??? Coach Cal was AWFUL in the NBA, which is why he was run back to the college game where he is better suited. So I'm not understanding why this would matter so much to a guy on LeBron's "team" who might be seen as very close to tampering.

If the Wiretap is true and Wes is trying to package LeBron and Calipari to some NBA team, I might have some pause on LBJ being the best fit for this franchise. I hope it's not true and that he recognizes the value to his brand by playing in a market like NYC that he would literally own. And winning a championship here after a 30+ year drought would make him maybe the greatest KNICK ever. But if he's really getting that type of bad advice AND is listening to it, I might have to start questioning if he truly is the guy we want, or if we should be preparing to look elsewhere for our "marquee" player.

[Knicks D]

I have never doubted that this is where Lebron wants to and needs to be.

If it happens, I'm ecstatic. But in the event that it doesn't, all things considered, I'm not crushed.
I believe dude threw game 5. I think he's a great, great player, maybe when it's said and done THE greatest. But he comes off like an awful person with too many agendas aside from winning basketball.
Not saying him being a business-man is bad because I admire that but now I hear there's an article coming out about his relationship w/the Cavs becoming "frayed" in the last few months. Did they not build this dude the ultimate practice facility? A roster that fits exactly what he does? Was Shaq, even an aging one, for Ben Wallace's expiring an ambitious move? One a championship contending team would make? Didn't he have say on the Jamison trade? And Mike Brown, wasn't this "his" guy for all intents and purpose?

Look, I'm not saying the organization didn't make mistakes. Who doesn't? But for all their misgivings they seemed to truly hand him the keys to the franchise. A talent like his should be catered to and again, I admire that he knows his worth. But he's the kinda guy that I'd take more pride in beating than in joining. Maybe it's the media. But dude threw that game y'all. Watch it again....watch game 6 too for that matter. The whole elbow thing was a sham and he showed a selfish side of his personality that betrays his (usual) on-court M.O., particular in the cryptic post game comments.

Then this whole Chicago thing...it seems like Lebron is kinda being pimped by Wes. I thought dude was a guy with all the connections but no direct stake (as far as it's known) really in anything. Now he's gonna start managing college coaches, wants to reunite Coach Cal (who was a horrid NBA coach btw) with Derrick Rose and will bring the biggest young star in the sport as a sort of consolation prize?

I know Donnie is tied to Wes too and I ain't sour grapin' but it all smells shady. As long as we don't sign/trade for the wrong guys this summer or next, mission accomplished. Two weeks ago, I wouldn't have told you that. When you hear Clyde talk about "the epitome of team" when he references his Knick years, don't you wish we had some really talented guys that we could really root for, not solely because they were our talent but because maybe we could relate? I'll take a star any day of the week but watching those 90's Knick teams was just....New York City. You feel me? Not this giant Starbucks they call New York either but I guess that's what it is. Sports do reflect the times we live in and I ain't trying to be a dinosaur so yeah, I adapt. But I know certain things are forever and being a stand up guy should always mean something.

Now with that.....Donnie, call up Wesley Johnson, Walker, Person..Chuck Person whoever! Coach Cal and Coach K (I heard Lebron likes him too), anybody who's anybody Lebron-associated offer them a job, your job! Hire their family's family, do whatever to get them #6 jerseys in blue and orange flooding the world.

But seriously I'll settle for Rubio.

EXCELLENT POST!!!

You make some great points. But I especially agree with the whole William Wesley angle. We all know Wes is part of what LeBron calls his "team." So what is this guy doing trying to pull Calipari back into the NBA??? Coach Cal was AWFUL in the NBA, which is why he was run back to the college game where he is better suited. So I'm not understanding why this would matter so much to a guy on LeBron's "team" who might be seen as very close to tampering.

If the Wiretap is true and Wes is trying to package LeBron and Calipari to some NBA team, I might have some pause on LBJ being the best fit for this franchise. I hope it's not true and that he recognizes the value to his brand by playing in a market like NYC that he would literally own. And winning a championship here after a 30+ year drought would make him maybe the greatest KNICK ever. But if he's really getting that type of bad advice AND is listening to it, I might have to start questioning if he truly is the guy we want, or if we should be preparing to look elsewhere for our "marquee" player.

The more I hear how Coach Cal has to be part of the LeBron deal, the more I become uninterested in him coming here. Let's say it again, Cal was a horrible NBA coach and I rather stick woth the current one we have which isn't saying a lot (how long before LeBron gets alienated by coach D).
I also think the cahnces of him coming here are not that good anyway simply because Miami is the best landing zone for him. Wade is actually a better player than LeBron IMO and pairing the beast with the second best may be too much to pass on if LeBron is really thinking of Championships. All Miami really would need after that is a PF or C and you have a pretty good shot at dominating for the next 5 years. As far as Chicago, they probably are a better place than NY as well and they are a major market but I'm not sure LeBron wants the Jordan comparisons that are bound to come and Also the way that team is constructed, they probably are still one player away even if he comes.
I actually wouldn't mind a plan B at this point like getting Bosh and getting Ray Allen if we can sign him to a non max contract and then going after Mello or Paul in 2011.

[NoStatsGuy]

im all in for d-wade anyway!

but i just dont see it happen, its more likley he'll get sum help (JJ, CB, Stat or Booz) than him joining the knicks.

my personal perfect starting lineup for the knicks:

Toney D./Dwade
Dwade/Chandler
Gallo
Bosh
Haywood

with barron, walker, Toney D/Chandler (could imagine both of them beeing above average 6th man at least) and 2 2nd rounders (maybe we can trade for a top 20 pick)

this is good looking imo!


im really not into all the hype about lebron, this is like, getting out of hand a bit! its not in our control anyway! I see Lebron joining Chicago for whatever reason, even if rose lbj doesnt fit at all...

Stat resigning in PHX, Dirk aswell in Dallas, Gay is ending up in New Jersey together with Lee and Johnson (could be pretty scary with JWall+Gay+Johnson and down low with Lee + Brook Lopez), i dont think lee, gay and johnson will get max contracts anywhere... pretty dangerous team, the nets, if this works out the way my gut tells me.

[Marty McFly]

I'm not as sure as i was this past week, that's for sure........

[Knick4Real]

Since my last post I just spent some time doing a little research on the World Wide Wes, Calipari, and LeBron James connection. And what I found was actually very interesting:

Wes has been the most mysterious and misunderstood guy in basketball. Why? Because most people don't really know what he does. But it seems like Wes has been sort of a "go between" guy, who doesn't have to follow any NBA league rules since he's not officially part of the league. He just sort of "hangs around" all the right people and "overhears" all the right things. For example, Wes was put on the KNICKS payroll to handle Curry's weight loss program (even though the KNICKS already have trainers on payroll who could have easily handled it). Which was probably code for the KNICKS paid Wes so they had somebody who could communicate with LeBron behind the scenes without it being tampering.

But recently Wes decided to become an Agent for coaches, which is why he's so in love with Calipari all of a sudden. His angle is that if he makes teams believe hiring Calipari might mean LeBron comes to that team, he can use that to his advantage and make some money off it in the process. So the whole Wes, Calipari, LBJ angle might really just be a smokescreen to get Chicago, Cleveland, or some other team to hire Calipari. Wes can use his friend LeBron as bait, convince Chicago (or whoever) to hire Coach Cal with the promised "possibility" it might help them get LeBron, then collect a fat commission check from securing his first big contract as a coaches agent. Very smart.

In my gut I still believe NY is where LeBron will land. Wes and Walsh are very good friends, the KNICKS are still paying Wes for what's officially called "Eddy Curry conditioning," and NY is the only place with virtually a clean slate where LeBron can basically pick the team he wants. So all the talk about LBJ to the Bulls, etc. is probably just a smokescreen. And Donnie may really have known exactly what he was doing when he made all those trades at the deadline!

[bringinhinkie]

dont know where else to put this, but remember this f*cking fraud's name if we do land lebron..

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posted on the bulls forum:

you guys are sooo lucky, your probably in the best position (besides the lakers) in the NBA.

cap space, young superstar talent, other good pieces.

as a knicks fan, the bulls have been making us suffer for years, WHEN lebron signs with chicago i will be a bulls fan.

i cant take this pain of being a knicks fan anymore!

btw keep track of these other clowns showing up on here lately with join dates may '10 and beyond.. seen like 5 already ready to jump on the bandwagon if we do strike gold.. give em the boot

and quit worry, hes not going to chicago where a man not too long ago just won 6 rings.. i guarantee hes not in chicago, you can ban me if he goes there put this thread in favorites (all you bulls fans) call me out idc i guarantee it

its a 2 team race, cavs and knicks.. again save the thread and call me out when im wrong

[Starksfor3]

After everything has pretty much broken right to get him here, if he doesn't come to NY, he will be my most hated person of all time.

THAT IS ALL.

[Pharmcat]

here is andy katz take

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5194333


to be honest, if lebron wants to play for Cal, then no stopping that, however misguided it may be

[richardhutnik]

Ok, let's follow the trends that the beat writers are trying to spin now:
* Try to come up with ways for LeBron to NOT end up with the Knicks. This would include possibly retiring or going to China to play with Marbury. If possible come up with some scenario in some universe somewhere where you can bring another team into the mix. If that looks like it gets play, and is discussed, play it up more.

* Every now and then do a piece to have it so that LeBron DOES end up with the Knicks, as to not tick off the NY audience, and have a back up to cover in the event LeBron DOES sign with the Knicks.

* Like other free agents to NY, or players who want to sign and trade. And then spin a scenario where you get to believe Joe Johnson is a lock to sign for the max with NY. If you can't actually find these, make them up.

* Write stories on the desperate moves of what NY will do to get LeBron, and pitch them like they are actually considering it. The goal here is to generate mock and ridicule by fans of other teams, to say how desperate the Knicks are to get LeBron.

* Create reports of various coaching candidates (beyond the Calipari one) going somewhere that would lure LeBron. Expect somewhere at least ONE article on how Phil Jackson would like to coach LeBron. Link Phil Jackson going back to Chicago or go to NY to coach LeBron. Or, they write how the Lakers will ship Bynum and Odom to the Cavs for LeBron and a resigned Shaq, and how Phil Jackson will coach until he is dead there. The article will then speak on how the Lakers will look to build a dynasty FOREVER. Expect the Onion to end up writing a report how the Lakers plan on keeping Phil Jackson's brain on life support and it will keep the Lakers running, even after his body has passed on.

Feel free to add your others here on what I may of missed regarding LeBron. Of course, over 90% of what they writhe will be utter nonsense in the end, but people will suck it up anyhow.

- Rich

[richardhutnik]

[Duplicate post. Sorry]

Let's just say I expect a ton of contradictory nonsense to be reported before the free agent period begins. By the way, why the heck would LeBron try to be doing Callipari any favors? Is Wes going to to make LeBron Cal's agent, so LeBron gets a cut?

- Rich

[BBALLER4FR]

I'm not even fond of Mike D'Antoni and I couldn't care one way or another if he's gone next season. But this Calipari/LeBron package makes me ill. If LeBron really has to have such an awful coach join with him, then so be it. Go to Chicago. We've freed up MAX cap for his counterpart and more cap net year (or more depth with a Curry trade this year). We've kept ONLY smart, talented, young players on the roster for him to lead. We have the biggest market, the most $$$, the most loyal fans and an owner who would pay for success just as easily as he's paid for failure in the past. We've done all of this with the hope of making LeBron a legend in NY and an icon that 95% of the other teams couldn't approach. Even your buddy CC Sabathia has tried to key you in on the meaning of winning in NY. And you'd let Worldwide Wes sell you on a Calipari package? I'm beginning to hope Chicago gets him. It will hurt for a while but we've done all we can do. Let LeBron pull his trump card in Chicago.

He will have less of an impact IMO than Jordan for the simple fact that the Knicks won't be rivals. The Knicks made rival in the 90's. We hated Jordan and it helped catapult him to iconic status. Maybe there will be a Chi/Mia rival if one of the big FA's join the Heat. But that's it. Orlando looks like they get stage fright in the semi's and the Celts won't be there for long with KG, Pierce and Allen up there in age. And to those points I gotta ask: Why would LeBron feel it's in his best interest to elevate an already "Charmed" franchise while dashing the hope of the biggest fanbase in the US? It's a horrible marketing strategy for a guy who says he wants to be a billionaire. At least when MJ was in Chicago the Knicks were relevant which meant the largest fanbase had a vested interested in watching him rip our hearts out. If this latest rumor is true, LeBron has a terrible feel for the market and what's best. Anyway here's to a frantic summer....

[Marty McFly]

http://knicks.realgm.com/articles/53/20 ... _new_york/