Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread

EventHorizon · Post #421 » by **EventHorizon** » Sat May 15, 2010 2:58 pm

Devin Harris and Ben Gordon IMO would serve a very similar role in Toronto, Harris might even be a better fit. I would be equally as ecstatic with any of the two.

One question about Turkoglu, why do we believe he will return to his Orlando form after the year he had at his age? If anything, without a proper C, he will get worse. So what would be the cost of trading him for a player like Biedrins? Sonny Weems? Future first?

bboyskinnylegs · Post #422 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Sat May 15, 2010 3:37 pm

EventHorizon wrote:Devin Harris and Ben Gordon IMO would serve a very similar role in Toronto, Harris might even be a better fit. I would be equally as ecstatic with any of the two.

One question about Turkoglu, why do we believe he will return to his Orlando form after the year he had at his age? If anything, without a proper C, he will get worse. So what would be the cost of trading him for a player like Biedrins? Sonny Weems? Future first?

Warriors won't trade Hedo for Biedrins... they need all the frontcourt help they can get, and Hedo isn't exactly the kind of player that fits in with the running game they play there. Factor in age and Hedo's bigger contract, and there's just about no way they do this. They might do expirings+pick for Biedrins however, but I'm not high enough on Biedrins' defense that I'd want to go that route.
As for Harris or Gordon, I'd be fine with either IF we could swap them with Jose/Hedo, not with expirings. And I definitely wouldn't put our pick in play for a Gordon swap.

andreafan · Post #423 » by **andreafan** » Sun May 16, 2010 1:29 am

EventHorizon wrote:Devin Harris and Ben Gordon IMO would serve a very similar role in Toronto, Harris might even be a better fit. I would be equally as ecstatic with any of the two.

One question about Turkoglu, why do we believe he will return to his Orlando form after the year he had at his age? If anything, without a proper C, he will get worse. So what would be the cost of trading him for a player like Biedrins? Sonny Weems? Future first?

If we get harris we would have to give up amir johnson and no doubt demar.

andreafan · Post #424 » by **andreafan** » Sun May 16, 2010 1:43 pm

andreafan wrote:
EventHorizon wrote:Devin Harris and Ben Gordon IMO would serve a very similar role in Toronto, Harris might even be a better fit. I would be equally as ecstatic with any of the two.

One question about Turkoglu, why do we believe he will return to his Orlando form after the year he had at his age? If anything, without a proper C, he will get worse. So what would be the cost of trading him for a player like Biedrins? Sonny Weems? Future first?

If we get harris we would have to give up amir johnson and no doubt demar.

Sorry i think amir is a free agent , dam we got f56265 all assets to get harris

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Eating a Book · Post #425 » by **Eating a Book** » Sun May 16, 2010 2:01 pm

andreafan wrote:
andreafan wrote:
EventHorizon wrote:Devin Harris and Ben Gordon IMO would serve a very similar role in Toronto, Harris might even be a better fit. I would be equally as ecstatic with any of the two.

One question about Turkoglu, why do we believe he will return to his Orlando form after the year he had at his age? If anything, without a proper C, he will get worse. So what would be the cost of trading him for a player like Biedrins? Sonny Weems? Future first?

If we get harris we would have to give up amir johnson and no doubt demar.

Sorry i think amir is a free agent , dam we got f56265 all assets to get harris .

I think, instead of providing us with the slugging narrative in your head (I'd say running narrative, but that would imply swiftness), you should maybe start a blog and then not tell anyone about it ever.

andreafan · Post #426 » by **andreafan** » Sun May 16, 2010 3:55 pm

Well i certainly would not advise somebody eating a book sir :lol:

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Rationality · Post #427 » by **Rationality** » Sun May 16, 2010 4:59 pm

RealGM, tell me what I'm missing here, because I must be missing something.

If I'm BC, and if I understand the CBA correctly, how could we not be seriously pursuing a trade for either Wade or Lebron AND try to keep Bosh.

Bosh, Wade and Lebron will all be offered max contracts starting at $16.5 mil by their current teams. Their current teams can offer contract lengths one year longer than anyone else, which amounts to $30 million more at the end of the contract length. These guys (if they move) will be S&Ted away because they shouldn't pass up $30 mil in guaranteed income, and GM's will get assets in return instead of losing their star player for nothing. This should be a forgone conclusion, and BC has essentially stated as much.

The magic number is $16.5 mil to get Wade or Lebron, and this number is very reasonable. Even though the Raptors are over the cap, we CAN definitely make this trade, as long as the salaries match up. In fact, the Raptors are a better trading partner than the teams who've cleared massive cap space, because those teams have no assets to offer in a trade other than.. well more cap space and picks. Cleveland and especially Miami don't want more cap space in return, do they? What are you going to do with it? Sign free agents? In a free agency year like this, you're doomed to end up overpaying for second-rate FAs.

This is why I think the teams who cleared cap space to try and sign these superstars shot themselves in the foot. In hindsight the best position for a team is to stock up on good young tradeable assets, even if it means going over the cap, AND have your own superstar (who wants to stay) that you can resign under Bird Rights with no cap limitations. The Raptors seem to have done this...

The only question is, do we have good enough assets to build the best $16.5 million package vs every other team who wants these guys? Maybe... because remember, it doesn't have to be a GREAT package, because no package will be on-par value to a Lebron or Wade, it just has to be better than everyone else's - and everyone else is short on assets because they've been too busy clearing cap space.

If I'm Miami or Cleveland, I'm looking for young, high-potential players, under "inexpensive" long term contracts in return. For these types of assets, we have a decent collection.

In terms of the Raptors contracts that fit the bill, in order:
Andrea Bargnani - $8.5 mil
Demar Derozan - $2.5 mil
Amir Johnson - TBD
Jarret Jack - $4.6 mil

and if you're reaching:
Jose Calderon - $9 mil
Sonny Weems - TBD (no Bird rights, so I don't think we can sign him for more than Vet Min - I think he's earned a better contract elsewhere)

So this begs the question, if you're Miami's or Cleveland's GM, and your star player has decided to leave - which teams can offer a better package of $16.5 mil in players than the Raptors?

And on top of that, if you're Lebron or Wade and you have some say in where you want to go, which teams can make that trade, and STILL have a serviceable supporting cast? The Raptors look very good in this regard as well.

Let's say we lose Bargnani, Derozan, and Jack. Under contract next year we still have a pretty good supporting cast:

Hidayet Turkoglu
Jose Calderon
Reggie Evans
Marcus Banks
Amir Johnson
Marco Belinelli

And of course we resign Chris Bosh to a max contract under his Bird Rights, even though we are way over the cap.

I'd like to say I'm a pretty rational Raptors fan (hence the username)... am I missing something critical here?

Has Raptors management cleverly put us play for something like this?

endo · Post #428 » by **endo** » Sun May 16, 2010 9:50 pm

^ They're not pursuing a Lebron/Wade trade cause it ain't going to happen.

It's not a rational idea buddy. It's wishful thinking and you're living in a dream world.

ballislife · Post #429 » by **ballislife** » Sun May 16, 2010 10:26 pm

Would Devin Harris be enough of a start into the off season to make Bosh want to resign? If the nets grab the first pick they'll probably deal Harris... What could the Raps possibly offer to lure Harris from the nets?

The only thing i can think of if the nets are willing is:

Harris

FOR

#13, Weems, Banks & Evans

sump · Post #430 » by **sump** » Mon May 17, 2010 2:34 pm

ballislife wrote:Would Devin Harris be enough of a start into the off season to make Bosh want to resign? If the nets grab the first pick they'll probably deal Harris... What could the Raps possibly offer to lure Harris from the nets?

The only thing i can think of if the nets are willing is:

Harris

FOR

#13, Weems, Banks & Evans

This won't happen

BUT

If LeBron says he wants to play in Brooklyn then we could swing a deal that would net us Devin Harris and Lopez in exchange for CB and Jose then LeBron could sign with the nets as well.

They would have Jose, LeBron, CB and then fill in the blanks.

xenith · Post #431 » by **xenith** » Mon May 17, 2010 5:04 pm

how about this:

Tayshaun Prince+Richard Hamilton == Calderon+Banks+Reggie Evans

Eating a Book · Post #432 » by **Eating a Book** » Tue May 18, 2010 12:00 am

Keep Hamilton's contract away from me, please.

DaveRaps89 · Post #433 » by **DaveRaps89** » Tue May 18, 2010 1:08 am

I would love to see Bosh and Hedo leave to Houston, i would welcome a rebuild this year. Don't really care who we get back, except for picks and Jordan Hill.

Next step would be try to S+T and Trade for Gay and Oden, respectively, using our expiring contracts, Jose, and or DD/Weems. Both would work well in our system and would finally, FINALLY give us some Defense on the wings. Our front court would be soft still, but it would be a bright future, considering DD, Weems, Gay, Bargs, Hill, Oden are all under 24, Bargs might be 25 this year....IN addition to the multiple draft picks we'd be getting this year.

JJ
DD/Weems
Gay
Bargs/Hill/Amir
Oden

One can only dream though....

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #434 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Tue May 18, 2010 1:31 am

this is my favorite by far

Bosh for Bynum

Jack + #13 + Evans for Posey + Collison + Wright

NOH sheds Poseys extra year, get jack as a very good backup to paul + get someone like Henry at the SG position.

Toronto gets a future PG

- Buy a pick draft Seraphin/Alabi

Collison / Calderon / Banks
Derozan / Weems / Belinelli
Turkaglu / Posey / Wright
Bargnani / Johnson / Dorsey
Bynum / Alabi

Post #435 » by **bryant08** » Tue May 18, 2010 1:48 am

^Sorry dude, but you post so many trades so this is really annoying me. It's TurkOglu, not TurkAglu.

killerbs · Post #436 » by **killerbs** » Tue May 18, 2010 2:21 am

Bosh to Miami?

IntricateOh25 · Post #437 » by **IntricateOh25** » Tue May 18, 2010 3:15 pm

Offseason Idea:

S&T Bosh, Banks for Gasol, Walton

Walton for Diop

Jack, #13, Evans for Collison, Posey, Wright

Sign a backup C with a portion of the MLE. For arguments sake, let's say Joel Anthony.

Collison/Calderon/
DeRozan/Weems/Belinelli
Turkoglu/Posey/Wright
Gasol/Amir/Dorsey
Bargnani/Anthony/Diop

This makes almost too much sense. Having Collison on his rookie contract helps hide Calderon's contract, Gasol's friendship with Calderon might give him a boost, and the much needed defense is added with Posey, Diop, and Gasol.

gerrit4 · Post #438 » by **gerrit4** » Tue May 18, 2010 3:46 pm

TankCity32 wrote:Offseason Idea:

S&T Bosh, Banks for Gasol, Walton

Walton for Diop

Jack, #13, Evans for Collison, Posey, Wright

Sign a backup C with a portion of the MLE. For arguments sake, let's say Joel Anthony.

Collison/Calderon/
DeRozan/Weems/Belinelli
Turkoglu/Posey/Wright
Gasol/Amir/Dorsey
Bargnani/Anthony/Diop

This makes almost too much sense. Having Collison on his rookie contract helps hide Calderon's contract, Gasol's friendship with Calderon might give him a boost, and the much needed defense is added with Posey, Diop, and Gasol.

Not to split hairs, but I'd say Gasol would be the C on this team. Is it just me or was it crazy to find myself nodding when you say Gasol will help the defense. He used to be a total stiff on D, now he'd be an improvement for us.

That being said, as much as I agree with all of your trades/Ideas, I'm not sure if i see the Lakers giving up Gasol unless he lays an egg in the rest of the playoffs. I'm also not sure if #13 +expirings is enough to get Collison. But this is about as good as it gets...

sisibilio · Post #439 » by **sisibilio** » Tue May 18, 2010 4:28 pm

Just read it in a spanish forum.

Toronto trades Calderon + Banks + #13
Detroit trades Hamilton + #7

Thoughts?

sisibilio · Post #440 » by **sisibilio** » Tue May 18, 2010 4:40 pm

gerrit4 wrote:That being said, as much as I agree with all of your trades/Ideas, I'm not sure if i see the Lakers giving up Gasol unless he lays an egg in the rest of the playoffs. I'm also not sure if #13 +expirings is enough to get Collison. But this is about as good as it gets...

Gasol is a better player than Bosh, the Lakers are the best team in the league with Gasol, he's got a great chemistry with Kobe, fans love him...
Why in the world would they even consider this trade?