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Re: All Things LeBron - All Posts Here Please 

Post#41 » by Knick4Real » Mon May 17, 2010 6:36 pm

kosmovitelli wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:^ And to add to the conspiracy...

Don't forget D'Antoni was also supposed to go coach Chicago at the time. But at the last minute he changed his mind and came to the KNICKS instead, who had an incredibly worse record than the Bulls at the time.


I'd love to see Walsh steal Lebron away from Chicago. On the Bulls Board most of them seem to think they will get Lebron and it's a no brainer for him to sign with the Bulls. It was the same stuff two years ago with Mike d'Antoni.

It would be so sweet to break the hearts of Bulls fans once again ! LOL


LOL I gotta agree!

Jordan and Pippen broke our hearts for so many years, I think we're owed this one!
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Post#42 » by King Jaffy Jo » Mon May 17, 2010 7:07 pm

Fans of the Clippers have planned a march around Staples Center at 3pm on May 27 at L.A. Live
to "Bring Lebron to the L.A. Clippers".

Lebron James in an unrestricted free agent and the Clippers are one of the teams that has room under the NBA salary cap to sign the superstar.

The star is an Ohio native and spent his entire career in Cleveland"


i wonder what kind of craziness we'll do around then when the time comes lol...

hell if we can do a pink slip thing for isiah, i could see some fans out there marching or whatever for lebron

heres the link if anyone cares http://cbs2.com/sports/CLIPPERS.LEBRON.JAMES.2.1697636.html
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Post#43 » by Mr_wonka » Mon May 17, 2010 7:15 pm

Knick4Real wrote:
kosmovitelli wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:^ And to add to the conspiracy...

Don't forget D'Antoni was also supposed to go coach Chicago at the time. But at the last minute he changed his mind and came to the KNICKS instead, who had an incredibly worse record than the Bulls at the time.


I'd love to see Walsh steal Lebron away from Chicago. On the Bulls Board most of them seem to think they will get Lebron and it's a no brainer for him to sign with the Bulls. It was the same stuff two years ago with Mike d'Antoni.

It would be so sweet to break the hearts of Bulls fans once again ! LOL


LOL I gotta agree!

Jordan and Pippen broke our hearts for so many years, I think we're owed this one!



D'Antoni never changed his mind at the last minute. Chicago didn't want to pay him the money the Knicks did. Which was obviously a smart move on bulls managment considering how bad of a job he's done with NY.

The Bulls are very interesting in LBJ, who isn't? But a lot of fans that I'm talking to and reading from on this forum want Chris Bosh the most. Chris bosh and D rose, would beat LBJ's knicks.
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Post#44 » by truth serum » Mon May 17, 2010 7:22 pm

mrpoetryNmotion wrote:Awesome, no more Lebron Cultists threads plaguing the front page.

It's basically all the same stuff and ends out to be the same exact argument as to why/why not Lebron will/will not go to A,B,C, or/and D.

Thanks though.


Dude- drop the whole "LeBron doesn't interest me/I don't understand why people keep talking about LeBron" shtick. It's an incredibly popular topic for all the right reasons, and your lame, dismissive approach to the conversation doesn't make you any cooler or more intelligent than anyone else wasting their time on this board...no matter how hard you try to make it seem that way. If you were so important and as ahead of the curve as you'd like people to believe, you wouldn't be so concerned with what people on this forum are talking about in the first place.

Does this not make sense? Which other topics would you like us to talk about? What else do you have to offer to the discussion? Are you not taking time out of your day to say what you have to say here like the rest of us? I don't see the issue. Welcome to the RealGM Knicks forum. Now get over yourself.
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Post#45 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon May 17, 2010 7:22 pm

Mr_wonka wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:
kosmovitelli wrote:
I'd love to see Walsh steal Lebron away from Chicago. On the Bulls Board most of them seem to think they will get Lebron and it's a no brainer for him to sign with the Bulls. It was the same stuff two years ago with Mike d'Antoni.

It would be so sweet to break the hearts of Bulls fans once again ! LOL


LOL I gotta agree!

Jordan and Pippen broke our hearts for so many years, I think we're owed this one!



D'Antoni never changed his mind at the last minute. Chicago didn't want to pay him the money the Knicks did. Which was obviously a smart move on bulls managment considering how bad of a job he's done with NY.

The Bulls are very interesting in LBJ, who isn't? But a lot of fans that I'm talking to and reading from on this forum want Chris Bosh the most. Chris bosh and D rose, would beat LBJ's knicks.


Dude, we have cap room for another max also...not to mention we can use Curry's contract to trade for someone else. LB+any other max > Rose+Bosh. It's not even close.
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Post#46 » by BBALLER4FR » Mon May 17, 2010 7:29 pm

Mr_wonka wrote:Chris bosh and D rose, would beat LBJ's knicks.


How so? LBJ would be the best player on the floor so LeBroon >>>> DRose. If we just decided to keep David Lee it was clear that Lee hung in there with Bosh all last season so maybe Bosh > Lee but not by much. We'd still have cap space (since Lee would come cheaper than Bosh) and Chandler's contract to pair with Curry's expiring to improve the roster. Even with that said, what makes you think Bosh would rather play alongside Rose/Noah vs LeBron/Gallo?
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Post#48 » by mrpoetryNmotion » Mon May 17, 2010 7:55 pm

truth serum wrote:
mrpoetryNmotion wrote:Awesome, no more Lebron Cultists threads plaguing the front page.

It's basically all the same stuff and ends out to be the same exact argument as to why/why not Lebron will/will not go to A,B,C, or/and D.

Thanks though.


Dude- drop the whole "LeBron doesn't interest me/I don't understand why people keep talking about LeBron" shtick. It's an incredibly popular topic for all the right reasons, and your lame, dismissive approach to the conversation doesn't make you any cooler or more intelligent than anyone else wasting their time on this board...no matter how hard you try to make it seem that way. If you were so important and as ahead of the curve as you'd like people to believe, you wouldn't be so concerned with what people on this forum are talking about in the first place.

Does this not make sense? Which other topics would you like us to talk about? What else do you have to offer to the discussion? Are you not taking time out of your day to say what you have to say here like the rest of us? I don't see the issue. Welcome to the RealGM Knicks forum. Now get over yourself.


Wow, it seems I must've struck a chord with that last post of mine..

Nevertheless I'm actually happy that we have this new Lebron thread since it opens up space for more diverse topics, cleans up the board, and mitigates the madness on this board. Obviously I'm not the only one who likes this move, since multiple mods have sought out solutions and other posters here as well uttered similar sentiments to mine regarding this issue. That's all I really wanted and spoke my peace to push it so in that direction because that's the only way things get done around here and in life in general.

I really don't know why you responded to me really, you have a problem with the way in which I post or what I post? That's cool. This is a forum that promotes discussion, differing opinions, insight, etc. Essentially you responding to me about my stance on this particular subject is no different than say Moocow challenging the stance of the opinion of a Bulls fan about whatever they're talking about in that thread. So of course you "don't see the issue" because there is no issue. Despite your slightly insulting tone, thanks for welcoming me to the RealGM Knicks forum and I look forward to more posting in the future.
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Post#49 » by truth serum » Mon May 17, 2010 8:42 pm

Well first off....the MODS created this thread because that's their job....not yours. Not to mention, I never understood why posters complain about a "mess" on the front page to begin with. Is it that much of a nuisance? It's not like someone took a dump in your bedroom or left their dinner plate and half a glass of soda on your coffee table. It's an internet forum. How messy can it get?

Popular/important topics get bumped to the top, and the useless ones fade into obscurity. I actually appreciate all the LeBron threads. It's what myself and everyone else (besides you) are interested in at the moment, and it's much easier to find new info in each thread as opposed to sifting through one big thread for certain details or discussions. But that's besides the point...

To be honest, it wasn't this particular post that "struck a chord". You have a habit of making condescending posts on the regular, and as a frequent visitor to this site, it's hard not to notice. You rarely have anything to offer about the Knicks or basketball in general. Instead, you seem to spend most of your time here promoting yourself as some sort of elitist...far too on-the-ball and privileged to take part in the frivolous discussions that take place here. Which begs the question- why are you here?

So while the rules of the internet afford you the right to be here and say what you'd like, whether it's chastising people for jocking LeBron or discussing him at all....I also have the right to call you out for being a dick. Carry on.
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Hollinger: rating James' possibilities (article) 

Post#50 » by Knicker23 » Mon May 17, 2010 8:52 pm


Which superstar shines brightest next to King James? "LeBron Rating" reveals all.

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David Liam Kyle/Getty ImagesThough stars on their own, James and Bosh would make an especially formidable tandem.
The conference finals are under way, but let's be honest: The biggest story in the NBA is LeBron James' upcoming free-agency tour. Nothing less than the future of the league is at stake. OK, that might be a bit extreme, but you can argue that a player of his stature has never been available at such a young age. With that in mind, Insider brings you LeBron Week, a five-part look at every aspect of James' decision. First up, John Hollinger examines the best possible sidekick for LeBron.
LeBron James hits free agency in six weeks, and we've read a lot of tea leaves about which landing spots would work best for him. But today, it's time to turn the analysis on its head: Which players would benefit most from teaming up with LeBron?
For the purposes of brevity and sanity, I'm restricting the debate to star players who could plausibly team up with LeBron next year. Sure, Kobe Bryant would make a great teammate for King James, but I don't see that one as being terribly realistic.
Instead, let's look at what, statistically, might make a player a good fit with LeBron and then work backward to determine which ones possess the most positive attributes.
In order, here are the most important criteria:


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Re: Hollinger: rating James' possibilities (article) 

Post#51 » by kasino » Mon May 17, 2010 8:57 pm

I don't wanna read this
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Post#52 » by johnnywishbone » Mon May 17, 2010 9:00 pm

I was just thinking that it's kind of interesting that of all the speculation around Lebron the only speculator/suitor that the Cavs owner, Dan Gilbert, felt like he had to respond to (AFAIK) was Mayor Bloomberg. He said something along the lines of "you would think he has more important things to work on".

1. I think that's kind of telling on where Gilbert's mind is at. He isn't worried about the speculation from the "experts" over at ESPN but he is listening to what NY's billionaire mayor has to say :wink:

2. It's a stupid comment because that is a good thing for the mayor to be working on. It's kind of reminiscent of when people were criticizing Obama for trying to get the Olympics to Chicago. Of course those are good pursuits because LBJ @ MSG or the Olympics in Chicago means a lot of business/tax revenue for the city/country. And that's exactly what I want my elected officials doing - i.e. make us some money instead of spending it like they normally do.

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Re: Hollinger: rating James' possibilities (article) 

Post#53 » by knicks742 » Mon May 17, 2010 9:02 pm

Look at that. David Lee would be one of the top fits for Lebron. Shocking. Not.
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Re: Hollinger: rating James' possibilities (article) 

Post#54 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon May 17, 2010 9:02 pm

Talks about who would be best with LeBron (the list in the middle). Bosh, Dirk, and Lee are the top 3 lol. Bosh+LeBron in NY... This was very interesting though...now the Chicago fans are gonna come and say how ESPN hates them because they said Rose is hardly a good fit with LeBron.
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Re: Hollinger: rating James' possibilities (article) 

Post#55 » by GONYK » Mon May 17, 2010 9:02 pm

Basically the best player available to pair with Lebron based on statistics and usage rates is Chris Bosh
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Re: Hollinger: rating James' possibilities (article) 

Post#56 » by Knicker23 » Mon May 17, 2010 9:06 pm

Hollinger took a bunch of stats (shooting%,'usage rate',off.rbs,turnovers) and compiled a 'LeBron rating' to see who would match up best as a teammate for James.. Bosh and Dirk were top two, followed by Dlee...

He also notes how Devin Harris/Rose/Wade wouldn't be the ideal..

As many of us thought, Bosh + James would be like Kobe + Gasol... way better than James + Rose
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Post#57 » by Mr_wonka » Mon May 17, 2010 9:18 pm

Knicks1214,

your obviously a fan boy. Bulls with a super star post presence would beat LBJ and the current knicks team. I never mentioned LBJ and another super star and the current knicks team. Why don't you learn to read before responding.
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Post#58 » by Mr_wonka » Mon May 17, 2010 9:20 pm

Also, there is no way the Knicks or any team will sign 2 of the big three. You New Yorkers are freaken greedy. It would totally upset the balance the league....which isn't even as good as the NFL.
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Roxin: Knicks, Cavs Remain LeBron's Best Bets 

Post#59 » by workforce3 » Mon May 17, 2010 9:21 pm

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Knicks, Cavs Remain LeBron's Best Bets


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Like the success ESPN’s Bill Simmons had orchestrating Celtics’ fans to serenade LeBron James with chants of “New-York-Knicks,” Simmons gets credit for originating the LeBron-to-the-Bulls chatter that has now taken on a life of its own. RealGM had the Bulls in the top slot in their LeBron James Power Rankings. On its real-world basketball merits, not so much. It is a fabricated argument.

One of the big problems I have with the insistence that Derrick Rose is the ultimate running mate for LeBron James is that it discards both baby and bath water in Danny Ferry’s gameplan.

The Cavs did not dominate the regular season the last two years by putting together a terrible roster that was poorly constructed around LeBron’s unique talents. Loading up on shooters and keeping LeBron as the primary playmaker worked well enough to deliver Cleveland a total of 143 wins over two seasons.

Where the Cavs need help is simply in finding that clear second scorer for the postseason. Easier said than done, of course, but not a complicated dynamic to figure. Antawn Jamison didn’t add an extra dimension to the offense that the team didn’t already have. I believe Amar’e Stoudemire would have.

Simmons’ determination is that a ball-dominant point guard like Rose could be LeBron’s ideal sidekick. A dribble-shoot, dribble-drive point who relies on his young legs to slice through the defense, not a catch-and-shoot guy who likes to run to a spot, doesn’t have 3-point range to space the floor. That’s the perfect match for LeBron?

Who is playing off the ball and on the wings in this lineup? LeBron doesn’t prefer it and you’re effectively neutralizing much of what makes Rose special by taking him off the top or turning him into an undersized cutter rather than someone who can beat everybody off the dribble or hit the pull-up jumper.

Joakim Noah’s energy is off the charts, but you can find an adequate, dirty-work big by trade, the MLE, or late in the draft. The Cavs already did with Anderson Varejao. As far as the Heat or Knicks, they won’t find a big with Noah’s live body. But maybe they can find one who can hit a jumper here and there, or at least won’t get under LeBron’s skin.

Besides kicking the Cavs when they’re down, many are busy ignoring the elephant in the room: The Knicks and their two max-salary contract slots, selling the city that seems close to LeBron’s heart and the arena that inspires his fancy. At least Simmons deals with the possibility which is more than we can say for some of his colleagues. Chris Broussard gives the Knicks an 18 percent chance at landing LeBron by some magically precise formula.

More on the Knicks later. Back to LeBron’s current team in Cleveland.

Simmons claims that if the Cavs added Chris Bosh to their present roster, they’d still go nowhere. I strenuously object.

Add a multi-skilled big who can pour in points and LeBron has all he needs for a championship with a few minor roster tweaks. Granted, the Cavs might also need to innovate their offense and pick up the tempo, but that’s a coaching change.

On what is Simmons basing the insufficiency of Bosh? The Raptors’ failure to make the playoffs? How many games did the Grizzlies win with Pau Gasol each season? Bosh is not quite as big as Gasol and doesn’t have as many tricks around the basket. But his jumper is better and he’s a significantly more prolific scorer. Bosh is a good offensive rebounder, underrated defender and passes well. I’d take Bosh over Gasol.

And LeBron has surpassed Kobe. So you do the math. The Cavs’ two top guns would be superior. So what would make Cleveland still inferior to the defending-champion Lakers? Lamar Odom is the difference? Comparable guys can be had at the MLE if they’re not already on the Cavs’ roster. Andrew Bynum is the difference? He’s been banged up in every postseason since Gasol has arrived, and didn't even play against Boston in 2008.

If we agree that abundant perimeter shooting next to LeBron had something to do with the Cavs’ prodigious regular-season success – a theory not exactly impossible to believe – then Chicago is a particularly strange choice even if we throw out the Rose debate. The Bulls, who were .500 in the regular season and won exactly one playoff game, are arguably the most erratic jumpshooting team in the league. They don’t have anyone who is reliable from three. Kirk Hinrich has been their most established outside threat but has become spotty and uncertain from night to night.

Sure, shooters and quality pieces can be found. They’re out there for the taking if you resolve to spend money. But Jerry Reinsdorf is resistant to paying the luxury tax. Filling out the Bulls’ roster, particularly after Rose and Noah come off their heavily discounted rookie contracts, may not be a simple task. If the era of MJ, Phil, Pippen and six championships couldn’t loosen management’s purse strings, then how would LeBron and his young teammates fare?

The point is that in New York and Miami, LeBron wouldn’t have to worry about ownership playing, or paying, along. That also hasn’t been a concern in Cleveland to date.

Simmons believes he’s calling LeBron’s bluff: Okay, so the city of Chicago may not give you a big buzz LeBron, but if you’re all about winning, you’ll sign with the Bulls.

Here’s the best part: If LeBron goes to Chicago, Simmons will cut him some slack. LeBron doesn’t really have to be all about winning as a Bull. Sure, Wade is bigger and better than Rose in every which way, and the Heat would have substantial cap room left over after signing LeBron. But Simmons tells us that LeBron doesn’t want to have that much help. No, Wade would give LeBron too much help.

As Simmons sees it, going to Chicago will prove that LeBron is all about winning even though he could have chosen to join another team that gives him a better chance of winning. It’s the perfect blend of LeBron being all about winning while still being all about ego.

Simmons mysteriously forgives LeBron the vice of wanting to be his team’s best player, by far, but he won’t forgive LeBron the vice of wanting to play in the best city, by far. His ego is acceptable in Chicago, out of control in New York.

LeBron can shed both vices – and maximize his shot at the title – by playing with Wade in Miami or New York (although it is worth noting that LeBron would still be the best player, by far, even if he pairs with Wade).

And why does Bill seem to be ruling out Wade jumping town? You don’t know how much South Beach fatigue has set in by now … playing playoff games in front of a guy who just moved from Rockland County next to two empty seats, with his flip flops up on the seat in front of him … the courtside season ticketholder who sometimes shows up, living in Dade since 1960 and already making plans to re-deed his family’s plantation in Bayamo to United Fruit.

If LeBron goes to Chicago, he can be absolutely sure that his legacy will continuously be lined up against Jordan’s, win for win, title for title. In New York, LeBron will have a largely blank slate but still get to play on the world’s biggest and brightest stage, in front of its best fans. One championship in New York and LeBron will have led the most remarkable transformation in NBA history. Win two as a Knick and he’s talked about as one of the greatest of our time. Three and he might be the most remarkable athlete of his generation, considering how far the Knicks fell during the tragic Isiah decade.

The Knicks’ roster is a work in progress. I’m on record that Donnie Walsh will look to trade Eddy Curry’s expiring contract for a defensive big on a long-term deal. Think Emeka Okafor or Andris Biedrins. LeBron would also benefit playing beside a talented young shooter with size and a range of offensive skills in Danilo Gallinari, who may not be far off from Noah as a third big piece and is a rarer piece more difficult to find.

This summer, LeBron has his eye on the Big Apple and the specter of the King calling the Garden home with a second max talent on board carries a heavy dose of intrigue, or intimidation, depending on one’s perspective.

During the playoffs, LeBron said that Chicago is “one of the best cities you have in America.” Guess which one he thinks is the best?

The same city that has a team that sparked this comment back in February.

“If [the Knicks] get LeBron,” one NBA executive told Sports Illustrated, “that will be a big deal. The party's over [for the rest of the league].”
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Re: All Things LeBron - All Posts Here Please 

Post#60 » by truth serum » Mon May 17, 2010 9:23 pm

Mr_wonka wrote:Knicks1214,

your obviously a fan boy. Bulls with a super star post presence would beat LBJ and the current knicks team. I never mentioned LBJ and another super star and the current knicks team. Why don't you learn to read before responding.


Ahhhhhh, the ol' "why don't you learn to read?" line. Stings every time.

By the way guys....we're all "fan boys". But Mr. Wonka isn't. He follows the Bulls for other reasons. Not because he's a fan, so don't get any ideas.

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