2010 NBA Draft

[HMFFL]

This thread will be to discuss our picks and the rest of the NBA draft.

We have the 24th overall pick and the 53rd.

NBA Lottery: May 18th at 8pm EST

[azuresou1]

Jeremy Lin with the 53rd please.

[HoopsGuru25]

I really hope the Hawks don't draft Orton from Kentucky.

Willie Warren,Dominique Jones,and Hassan Whiteside are 3 picks I like if they're available at 24.

[evildallas]

Realistically:
Solomon Alabi, Quincy Pondexter, Avery Bradley, or Jordan Crawford with 24th pick.
Dexter Pittman, Brian Zoubek, or Jerome Jordan with 53rd pick.

[td00]

I really hope the Hawks don't draft Orton from Kentucky.

Willie Warren,Dominique Jones,and Hassan Whiteside are 3 picks I like if they're available at 24.

Orton won't be there, but I would take him and groom him. He will help somebody.

I like Willie Warren; he has decent size.
Eric Bledsoe: probably not the best year to take a risk on another PG.
Draftexpress has us taking Bledsoe.
NBAdraft.net has us taking Elliot Williams from Memphis.

Any chance there's a team out there that will let us trade up? Perhaps give them the rights to Childress if he won't come back to play for us?

[dms269]

Any chance there's a team out there that will let us trade up? Perhaps give them the rights to Childress if he won't come back to play for us?

Childress' rights are not tradeable.

[playa_lev]

This will be a deep draft, so I would buy a 2.round pick too... somewhere at 35-40.

#24 pick: Eric Bledsoe (i like him a lot, I think he could be a starter in his first year... he played tremendous in the shadow of Wall)

#35-40 pick: Craig Brackins (in my eyes he is somewhat of a LemarcusAldridge / Carmelo Anthony mixture) or Stanley Robinson ( he could be a productive player from the bench, defense, rebound, monster-dunks )

#55: Hamady Ndiaye (strong, long, athletic witch decent defense) or Art Parakhouski (strong post player, who plays hard every night)

[niffoc4]

Seems like a lot of people are on the Bledsoe train... personally I'm looking scoring guard or post player... but it really depends on if the team thinks they'll be keeping JJ or not. If JJ is going, then I'd rather get a 2 to compete for some of those minutes (i.e. Dominique Jones). Otherwise I think BPA would be the way to go, and probably take a guy like Alabi.

2nd round pick...I'd like to see us move up in the second round and take someone who drops out of the first for some reason (i.e. Budinger/Blair last year). Willie Warren might take a tumble like that, or Jones, Brackins also wouldn't be bad.

[SAUCERY_SWEET]

If Jordan Crawford is still there which i don't think he will, draft him. The Crawford combo would be talked about to exhaustion. They play basically mirror image games.

[evildallas]

It's a very deep draft (lockout concerns) which I think will make it hard to acquire an early second round pick (not a guaranteed deal at a price tag, so they don't impact cap room for free agency). The best bet might be to offer a future pick for one this year from a team with a lot of picks who wants to transfer the asset to a future draft rather than spend it on an intl player. OKC is a team with 4 picks who might trade of their early 2nd or late first in such a move.

The mock drafts really haven't jelled yet and normally don't until the official measurements are in and the lottery order set (that one's today).

[TucsonHawk]

I would go with Solomon Alabi if we can get him. He might not bring much offense but his D is really good. He can learn to play on the offensive side, D is harder to learn.

[betta1]

A brief look at some of the "steals" or near steals selected @ pick #24 and lower in the past 10 drafts (SA picks shouldn't count as they always find the hidden gems it seems...):

2009
#26 Taj Gibson
#37 DeJuan Blair
#39 Jonas Jerebko
#44 Chase Budinger

2008
#25 Nicolas Batum
#26 George Hill
#34 Mario Chalmers
#35 DeAndre Jordan
#39 Sonny Weems
#40 Chris Douglas-Roberts
#45 Goran Dragic
#47 Bill Walker

2007
#24 Rudy Fernandez
#26 Aaron Brooks
#31 Carl Landry
#35 Glen Davis
#48 Marc Gasol
#56 Ramon Sessions

2006
#24 Kyle Lowry
#25 Shannon Brown
#26 Jordan Farmar
#27 Sergio Rodriguez
#36 Craig Smith
#47 Paul Milsap
#50 Ryan Hollins
(how lucky we were that Sheldon was still available at #5! )

2005
#26 Jason Maxiell
#27 Linas Kleiza
#30 David Lee
#33 Brandon Bass
#34 C.J. Miles
#36 Ersan Ilyasova
#37 Ronny Turiaf
#40 Monta Ellis
#45 Lou Williams
#49 Andrey Blatche
#50 Ryan Gomes
#56 Amir Johnson
#57 Marcin Gortat
(I think a lot of us would trade the majority of those names for Mr. #2 Marvin)

2004
#24 Delonte West
#26 Kevin Martin
#28 Beno Udrih
#30 Anderson Varejão
#38 Chris Duhon
#43 Trevor Ariza

2003
#25 Carlos Delfino
#27 Kendrick Perkins
#28 Leandro Barbosa
#28 Josh Howard
#41 Willie Green
#42 Zaza Pachulia
#47 Mo Williams
#51 Kyle Korver

2002
#24 Nenad Kristic
#26 John Salmons
#34 Carlos Boozer
#39 Juan Carlos Navarro
#41 Ronald Murray
#45 Matt Barnes
#55 Luis Scola

2001
#25 Gerald Wallace
#26 Samuel Dalembert
#27 Jamaal Tinsley
#28 Tony Parker
#31 Gilbert Arenas
#38 Mehmet Okur
#40 Earl Watson
#42 Bobby Simmons

2000
#30 Marko Jaric
#43 Michael Redd

I'm sure I missed a couple but it gives us an idea of the range of talent that might be available given some shrewd scouting and a bit of luck (and BK as far from our war room as possible)! Let's hope this draft is more like '05 and less like '00.

[raleigh]

It's a very deep draft (lockout concerns) which I think will make it hard to acquire an early second round pick (not a guaranteed deal at a price tag, so they don't impact cap room for free agency).

The Hawks do have that future 2nd from the Rockets to offer around, FWIW. If someone like Warren slipped into the 2nd round, I could see Sund being interested (Flip Murray was his pick, IIRC).

[HoopsGuru25]

I really like Avery Bradley. I think this is a good draft if both Bradley and Warren are there at 24.

The way Jordan Crawford moves scares me for some odd reason. He plays like there's something wrong with his back(ala Marvin).

[evildallas]

I really like Avery Bradley. I think this is a good draft if both Bradley and Warren are there at 24.

The way Jordan Crawford moves scares me for some odd reason. He plays like there's something wrong with his back(ala Marvin).

I never noticed that but I didn't see a lot of their games. I agree with you that a duck walk is a red flag.

[J-Smoove5]

How about Lance "Born Ready" Stephenson with the #24 pick?

Go Hawks

[Harry10]

their is a very clear pattern when it comes to selecting in the late first round. seems like guys who have a high success rate, like Arenas, Boozer, Josh Howard, Michael Redd, Brendan Haywood, Taj Gibson, David Lee, Tayshaun Prince, Chris Duhon, and a bunch of other, has the following:

1. upper class men
2. highly productive in college
3. came from big time basketball programs (ACC or PAC10)
4. american (international players in the late rounds have a very low success rate, for Tony Parker their are about 4 Sergios that don't make it in the NBA)

they are not projects and can usually contribute right away. they find a role, cause they understand team ball and know how to play with better talent. in the late round, i don't think you should be looking for position, just hope to find a guy who will be an NBA player for the next 10 years. here is my board for the 24th pick

1. Greivis Vasquez - fits all three criteria and i think has the highest rate of success because of his hard work and maturity. not super athletic, but is fearless taking the ball into the paint. knows all about high pressure situations. his game really minds me of Manu.

2. Stanley Robinson - super athlete, upper class men, and comes from a big program. with his athleticism, if he is given the right role, which is defense, hustle, and rebounding, he could have a long NBA career. if he develops an okay spot up jump shot, he could even be an NBA starter. he could turn into another Gerald Wallace.

3. Gani Lawal - just like Josh, Dwight, Favors, and Al-Farouq, he is another ATL big who loves to play defense and rebound. he is not as athletic as the for mentioned guys, but he is strong, has an NBA body, good fundamentals, solid all around game. he could be another PJ Brown or Alan Henderson minus the injuries.

4. Solomon Alabi - this guy has bust written all over him. it is very rare for a 7 footer in the late first round who didn't come from a big time program to succeed in the NBA. i think of all the 7 footers who were drafted in the late first round in the last 10 years, that didn't come from a big program, only Dalembert ended up having a successful NBA career. but their is something about a 7 footer who likes to play defense that is intriguing. hopefully Alabi is a hard worker and is playing basketball because he likes it, and not because he is just 7 feet tall.

5. Damion James - athletic senior. he looks NBA ready and looks like he knows how to contribute in a system if he has the ball or doesn't have the ball. he does alittle bit of everything and doesn't just going iso to produce for his team. reminds me of Shawn Marion or Rudy Gay.

6. Elliot Williams - not an upper class men, but his build and athleticism look amazing, he looks like a John Wall or Wade clone. he is Coach K approved and recruited and comes from a great program in memphis. he is a gamble, but could be a bigger, 6'5 version of Monta Ellis.

[theatlfan]

their is a very clear pattern when it comes to selecting in the late first round. seems like guys who have a high success rate, like Arenas, Boozer, Josh Howard, Michael Redd, Brendan Haywood, Taj Gibson, David Lee, Tayshaun Prince, Chris Duhon, and a bunch of other, has the following:

1. upper class men
2. highly productive in college
3. came from big time basketball programs (ACC or PAC10)
4. american (international players in the late rounds have a very low success rate, for Tony Parker their are about 4 Sergios that don't make it in the NBA)

they are not projects and can usually contribute right away. they find a role, cause they understand team ball and know how to play with better talent. in the late round, i don't think you should be looking for position, just hope to find a guy who will be an NBA player for the next 10 years. here is my board for the 24th pick

I can't say that I'm buying this. Some of the aspects of the listing you gave would be the common theory to stay safe for any draft position - specifically once you get past the truly elite guys at the top of the draft who would shine against any competition. But it also appears that, especially in the recent past, this common theory doesn't necessarily hold true. It appears that the ratio of success to busts in the 20-40 area (extended to get greater sample size) of the last 4 years or so about the same with this listing as it is with just about any other legitimate listing (with the possible exception of foreign players who seem to be hitting with more frequency recently... maybe better overseas scouting? maybe just a small sample size? Dunno yet...). It's just that there are more of players in this range drafted within your criteria since it is a common theory to define a safe return.

I'm not saying that your list is bad or shouldn't be used though; I just don't agree with it's basis. If the reason for this listing is that you'd prefer these traits since the type of player who'd match these criteria is a need for the team, then I wouldn't necessarily agree, but I could see the point much better. The trade off between present production and potential is always a hard one to gauge for anybody, but for this draft, I think I'd side with potential a little more than present production. If I thought that we were a bench piece or two away from making a good playoff run, then it'd be different. Right now though, I think we've topped out with the team's current makeup, so I wouldn't mind taking a shot @ a Seraphin or some other big (Alabi?) and seeing if we develop a C who can be a linchpin in the middle for us.

[HoopsGuru25]

Honestly...I don't see the point in drafting a center at 24 unless they are from Europe.

[evildallas]

Honestly...I don't see the point in drafting a center at 24 unless they are from Europe.

Don't think you can make that broad of an assumption. DeAndre Jordan fell to the early 30s because he declared way too early and is starting to look pretty good after a couple years of work. He would have been a fine pick at 24. You just have to realize that you aren't getting an immediate starter late in the first. Whoever is available at that point is either limited or raw. If they are limited, you need to use them for what they can do and understand the limitations. If they are raw you have to invest in the proper coaching and development. If you don't do that you are asking for a flop.

Even with proper coaching you are more likely to have a dud than a stud. The player has to want to succeed which seems uncommon in bigs. Unless we invest in a good big man coach (judging him by whom he has developed rather than his own career as a big), then it would most likely be a waste of a pick. In Seattle Sund picked 3 bigs in a row in the 1st round but I feel they didn't have the coaching on staff to push any of them into becoming a solid pro. We've already got 2 bigs (Horford and Smith) that could benefit from some quality big man coaching. This draft is so deep that you could possibly land a quality big man in round 2 if you got the right coach in place.