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Re: ESPN: "The Trouble w/ LeBron" 

Post#221 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed May 19, 2010 6:29 pm

Curryy wrote:Thanks Starbury,

I agree what that article for the most part.

To sum it up,

LeBron can't be your GM, Coach & All-Star player all at once. LeBron as God wouldn't work out.

Tru Tru.



You forgot to include "part-owner" (according to the Forbes article).
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Re: ESPN: "The Trouble w/ LeBron" 

Post#222 » by Esq-4 » Wed May 19, 2010 6:30 pm

So then ESPN should be saying that Wade and LBJ is the next MJ and Pippen, in that order.
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Re: ESPN: "The Trouble w/ LeBron" 

Post#223 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed May 19, 2010 6:30 pm

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moocow007 wrote:I'm ok with the Knicks being Lebron's biatches...you guys? :D


hahaaaaa no doubt

i cant stop thinking how much id want jvg back to coach though, and im not even a d'antoni hater, just van gundy is such a good coach and hed be a fool not to come if we signed lbj


He and Dolan hate each other. Unfortunately, it will never happen.
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Re: Article: Knicks are best fit for Lebron in terms of shooting 

Post#224 » by j4remi » Wed May 19, 2010 6:30 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Basketball Prospectus is very credible.

Baseball Prospectus is a leading source for statistical analyses on baseball. Same company.

Looks like the statistical analyses favor the Knicks, and all the ESPN idio-haters (like that combo?) and their groundless gut feelings all favor the Bulls. What a shocker!


It used shooting as key and like we've been saying, if you want shooters...the Knicks edge everyone out.
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Re: ESPN: "The Trouble w/ LeBron" 

Post#225 » by bringinhinkie » Wed May 19, 2010 6:31 pm

HawthorneWingo wrote:
KnicksMetsJetsNova wrote:
moocow007 wrote:I'm ok with the Knicks being Lebron's biatches...you guys? :D


hahaaaaa no doubt

i cant stop thinking how much id want jvg back to coach though, and im not even a d'antoni hater, just van gundy is such a good coach and hed be a fool not to come if we signed lbj


He and Dolan hate each other. Unfortunately, it will never happen.


in a business it shouldnt matter, but you're right especially with a knucklehead like dolan
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Re: Article: Knicks are best fit for Lebron in terms of shooting 

Post#226 » by RHODEY » Wed May 19, 2010 6:32 pm

Excellent post and I do mean excellent. I never understand why everyone assumes the Chicago is a better destination from a basketball standpoint, this articles lays out the facts.
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Re: ESPN: "The Trouble w/ LeBron" 

Post#227 » by mjhp911 » Wed May 19, 2010 6:32 pm

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But if getting James, The Player, means having to take on James, The GM, that's a trickier proposition.

Unless, of course, your team would happily take what James and the Cavaliers have done for the past seven years: five playoff appearances, including one unsuccessful run to the NBA Finals. Some teams (see: the New York Knicks) no doubt would, in light of where they've been for the past decade. Just know that the Cavs are where they are -- capped out with a modicum of trading chips -- because the team power structure supposedly has looked like this: owner Dan Gilbert, GM Danny Ferry and head coach Mike Brown.

With James standing just below Gilbert and just above Ferry.

"Do you acquiesce to a superstar?" says one assistant GM. "If you're going to let him choose his coach and decide who the No. 2 player is, that's acquiescing in a way that hurts his franchise."


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Ugh, I should have been copyrighting my material...


j4remi wrote:Did they really say Lebron isn't a good go to scorer at the end of games and needs a finisher?


It's what I've been trying to tell you guys. He'll need to ride the coattails of a younger stud who can close the deal, to win a ring. Others are finally catching on.
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Re: The LeBron Thread 

Post#228 » by willbcocks » Wed May 19, 2010 6:32 pm

Invictus wrote:Lots of accurate stuff


Sorry, too long to quote it all. I agree entirely with what you said--"he will be able to influence the value of the stock through his own actions and decisions" boils down to exactly what I said: he will buy the stock if he thinks he'll be able to improve its performance more than everyone else thinks he will.

So what does this control give him?
1) more power to influence on court decisions? probably not, since he wielded near absolute power in cleveland anyway
2) the chance to affect financial/mangement decisions of the garden? He is a bit of a power-whore, so maybe he covets even these small powers, but it doesn't seem like much of a bonus
3) the ability to determine his own destiny, and boost his pocketbook, by outperforming speculation on the court --> the motivation factor

None of these factors is a sound investment to boost his pocketbook. If they feed his megalomania and that's what's most important to him they could add a psychological bonus, but that's about it. After all, if he's really keen to micromanage and stake his fortune on his own handiwork, he can, like so many athletes before him, became an athlete-entrepreneur. That's where the real monetary advantage of playing for NY lies.
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Re: Article: Knicks are best fit for Lebron in terms of shooting 

Post#229 » by Pharmcat » Wed May 19, 2010 6:34 pm

can some1 translate this into layman terms

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Re: ESPN: "The Trouble w/ LeBron" 

Post#230 » by bringinhinkie » Wed May 19, 2010 6:41 pm

mjhp911 wrote:
Starbury316 wrote:
But if getting James, The Player, means having to take on James, The GM, that's a trickier proposition.

Unless, of course, your team would happily take what James and the Cavaliers have done for the past seven years: five playoff appearances, including one unsuccessful run to the NBA Finals. Some teams (see: the New York Knicks) no doubt would, in light of where they've been for the past decade. Just know that the Cavs are where they are -- capped out with a modicum of trading chips -- because the team power structure supposedly has looked like this: owner Dan Gilbert, GM Danny Ferry and head coach Mike Brown.

With James standing just below Gilbert and just above Ferry.

"Do you acquiesce to a superstar?" says one assistant GM. "If you're going to let him choose his coach and decide who the No. 2 player is, that's acquiescing in a way that hurts his franchise."


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Ugh, I should have been copyrighting my material...


j4remi wrote:Did they really say Lebron isn't a good go to scorer at the end of games and needs a finisher?


It's what I've been trying to tell you guys. He'll need to ride the coattails of a younger stud who can close the deal, to win a ring. Others are finally catching on.


its false though, his problem is he didnt trust his teammates so he forced the issue(something guys like jordan and kobe always did because they have had very good casts).. he is absolutely a 1st option on a championship team, hes always been clutch, this is the same guy who scored what 27 straight points to close a series vs detroit in like his 3rd year?

he has become underrated, thats how bad his cast is.. we got people saying mo williams/varejao/etc would make the postseason without him.. is that a joke? that team would win 25 games, lebron alone was good for 30-40 wins

james on court per 48 cavs +10.5pts
.........off court per 48 cavs -5.5pts
--------------------------net 16ppg

james clutch statistics(4th q or overtime, < 5 mins left, max 5point game): off rating: 121.7 (off the charts) def rating: 84.9 (off the charts).. points per 48=66.1 (off the charts)
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Re: The LeBron Thread 

Post#232 » by mjhp911 » Wed May 19, 2010 6:51 pm

willbcocks wrote:
Invictus wrote:Lots of accurate stuff


Sorry, too long to quote it all. I agree entirely with what you said--"he will be able to influence the value of the stock through his own actions and decisions" boils down to exactly what I said: he will buy the stock if he thinks he'll be able to improve its performance more than everyone else thinks he will.

So what does this control give him?
1) more power to influence on court decisions? probably not, since he wielded near absolute power in cleveland anyway
2) the chance to affect financial/mangement decisions of the garden? He is a bit of a power-whore, so maybe he covets even these small powers, but it doesn't seem like much of a bonus
3) the ability to determine his own destiny, and boost his pocketbook, by outperforming speculation on the court --> the motivation factor

None of these factors is a sound investment to boost his pocketbook. If they feed his megalomania and that's what's most important to him they could add a psychological bonus, but that's about it. After all, if he's really keen to micromanage and stake his fortune on his own handiwork, he can, like so many athletes before him, became an athlete-entrepreneur. That's where the real monetary advantage of playing for NY lies.


What are you talking about? League rules prohibit any type of team ownership by active players. I'm pretty sure he'd be prevented from buying these shares, even for his own private investment.
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Re: ESPN: "The Trouble w/ LeBron" 

Post#233 » by Esq-4 » Wed May 19, 2010 6:53 pm

mjhp911 wrote:
Starbury316 wrote:
But if getting James, The Player, means having to take on James, The GM, that's a trickier proposition.

Unless, of course, your team would happily take what James and the Cavaliers have done for the past seven years: five playoff appearances, including one unsuccessful run to the NBA Finals. Some teams (see: the New York Knicks) no doubt would, in light of where they've been for the past decade. Just know that the Cavs are where they are -- capped out with a modicum of trading chips -- because the team power structure supposedly has looked like this: owner Dan Gilbert, GM Danny Ferry and head coach Mike Brown.

With James standing just below Gilbert and just above Ferry.

"Do you acquiesce to a superstar?" says one assistant GM. "If you're going to let him choose his coach and decide who the No. 2 player is, that's acquiescing in a way that hurts his franchise."



What do you mean by you should have been copyrighting your material? Copyrights are inherent, even if not registered.
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Ugh, I should have been copyrighting my material...


j4remi wrote:Did they really say Lebron isn't a good go to scorer at the end of games and needs a finisher?


It's what I've been trying to tell you guys. He'll need to ride the coattails of a younger stud who can close the deal, to win a ring. Others are finally catching on.
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Re: The LeBron Thread 

Post#234 » by Esq-4 » Wed May 19, 2010 6:56 pm

On the whole coaching thing, it might make Mike D a good coach for LBJ. Mike D is a very creative offensive coach that can use LBJ and the rest of the team in ways that other coaches might not think of. Maybe even, LBJ at the point?

I know his lack of defense is a big issue, and I hope he eats his words about saying Magic and Suns justify his system, b/c the other teams look much better suited for deep in the playoffs.
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Re: The LeBron Thread 

Post#235 » by mjhp911 » Wed May 19, 2010 7:02 pm

Esq-4 wrote:On the whole coaching thing, it might make Mike D a good coach for LBJ. Mike D is a very creative offensive coach that can use LBJ and the rest of the team in ways that other coaches might not think of. Maybe even, LBJ at the point?

I know his lack of defense is a big issue, and I hope he eats his words about saying Magic and Suns justify his system, b/c the other teams look much better suited for deep in the playoffs.


I'm thinking they're more joined at the hip because they're both regular season wonders, postseason blunders... :-?
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Post#236 » by Douglas23 » Wed May 19, 2010 7:07 pm

GaLLo4THrEE wrote:
RHODEY wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/magic_king_dom_tfZtmYakE1aDUb5hBcTkTK

Just to counter the Jordan nonsense...



LOL at the date of the article.....a lot has changed since man.
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Re: The LeBron Thread 

Post#237 » by Ayonick07 » Wed May 19, 2010 7:11 pm

Brandon tierney just mentioned that he read on Realgm.com that lebron may come to ny based on forbes magazine article which stated he may be able to buy stocks in the team and boost his own financial gain. Big ups realgm!
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Post#238 » by mjhp911 » Wed May 19, 2010 7:14 pm

Ayonick07 wrote:Brandon tierney just mentioned that he read on Realgm.com that lebron may come to ny based on forbes magazine article which stated he may be able to buy stocks in the team and boost his own financial gain. Big ups realgm!


All those guys get their ideas from US! So keep those great ideas coming, peeps! :thumbsup:
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Post#239 » by richardhutnik » Wed May 19, 2010 8:08 pm

mjhp911 wrote:
Ayonick07 wrote:Brandon tierney just mentioned that he read on Realgm.com that lebron may come to ny based on forbes magazine article which stated he may be able to buy stocks in the team and boost his own financial gain. Big ups realgm!


All those guys get their ideas from US! So keep those great ideas coming, peeps! :thumbsup:


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Post#240 » by johnnywishbone » Wed May 19, 2010 8:24 pm

mjhp911 wrote:
willbcocks wrote:
Invictus wrote:Lots of accurate stuff


Sorry, too long to quote it all. I agree entirely with what you said--"he will be able to influence the value of the stock through his own actions and decisions" boils down to exactly what I said: he will buy the stock if he thinks he'll be able to improve its performance more than everyone else thinks he will.

So what does this control give him?
1) more power to influence on court decisions? probably not, since he wielded near absolute power in cleveland anyway
2) the chance to affect financial/mangement decisions of the garden? He is a bit of a power-whore, so maybe he covets even these small powers, but it doesn't seem like much of a bonus
3) the ability to determine his own destiny, and boost his pocketbook, by outperforming speculation on the court --> the motivation factor

None of these factors is a sound investment to boost his pocketbook. If they feed his megalomania and that's what's most important to him they could add a psychological bonus, but that's about it. After all, if he's really keen to micromanage and stake his fortune on his own handiwork, he can, like so many athletes before him, became an athlete-entrepreneur. That's where the real monetary advantage of playing for NY lies.


What are you talking about? League rules prohibit any type of team ownership by active players. I'm pretty sure he'd be prevented from buying these shares, even for his own private investment.


According to Kos, this is legal under the CBA. He's buying stock in a publicly traded company there are no rules prohibiting that. The board is elected by the share holders.

Now supposed the following scenario.

1. Lebron signs with the Knicks.
2. Lebron buys 1M shares of MSG at $20 (# for argument sake).
3. MSG announces a healthy dividend at 5%. So now LBJ is making $1m per year on just the stock dividend i.e. he is getting paid on top of his salary for increasing revenue to MSG. This dividend can also live long beyond his contract.
4. Nike announces with a wink and a nod that MSG is a good investment for them too. So they buy 20M shares. Because stocks are priced on the margin the value of Lebron's shares instantly go way up.
5. Shareholders elect Lebron to the board of MSG - increasing his business bona fides. A great play for him for when his career as a basketball player is over.
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