Lebron/Bulls gossip & rumors (merging)

[DuckIII]

2009 Most Jerseys Sold in Europe:

1. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
2. Kevin Garnett, Boston Celtics
3. Pau Gasol, Los Angeles Lakers
4. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
5. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
6. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs
7. Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic
8. Andrea Bargnani, Toronto Raptors
9. Jose Calderon, Toronto Raptors
10. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics
11. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
12. Rudy Fernandez, Portland Trailblazers
13. Marco Belinelli, Golden State Warriors
14. Joakim Noah, Chicago Bulls
15. Gilbert Arenas, Washington Wizards

No Knicks.

That's because the Knicks have no marketable players. LeBron wouldn't be like that. Here is way for me to illustrate what I'm trying to convey: I believe that if LeBron were a Knick, his jersey would be #1 on the list.

I agree that LeBron doesn't need NY to market himself. I'm saying that he would be able to market himself as mega-star +1 instead of "mere" mega-star if he were in New York.

Where do you think KG would rank on that list if he still played in Minnesota?

[DuckIII]

2009 Most Jerseys Sold in Europe:

1. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
2. Kevin Garnett, Boston Celtics
3. Pau Gasol, Los Angeles Lakers
4. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
5. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
6. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs
7. Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic
8. Andrea Bargnani, Toronto Raptors
9. Jose Calderon, Toronto Raptors
10. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics
11. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
12. Rudy Fernandez, Portland Trailblazers
13. Marco Belinelli, Golden State Warriors
14. Joakim Noah, Chicago Bulls
15. Gilbert Arenas, Washington Wizards

No Knicks.

That's because the Knicks have no marketable players. LeBron wouldn't be like that. Here is way for me to illustrate what I'm trying to convey: I believe that if LeBron were a Knick, his jersey would be #1 on the list.

I agree that LeBron doesn't need NY to market himself. I'm saying that he would be able to market himself as mega-star +1 instead of "mere" mega-star if he were in New York.

Where do you think KG would rank on that list if he still played in Minnesota?

[Sever82]

After 7 ringless years, LeBron likely won't take a risk on New York unless they get Bosh for a low price. Ewing's reputation does not eclipse Olajuwon's.

His ranking as a basketball player doesn't. His fame does. Its actually an excellent example of my whole point.

Whoa, man you're so wrong. Olajuwon was way more popular in his day than Ewing. I mean Hakeem had a nickname everybody called him. He had his trademark post moves. All you had to say was "The Dream" and people knew you were talking about.

[AKfanatic]

One other thing that Bulls fans should be garner hope from is that LBJ, when he was 10 years old playing around in a gym, was pretending he was a Bull. Not a Cav. Not a Knick. Not a Laker. I am somewhat surprised that this isn't pimped more often.

i've tried to pimp that point vs the terror of the Jordan Shadow thing quite often. It really is something that could come into play, i've always wondered why people think these young athletes would be scared to play where their idol played as opposed to relishing suiting up in the same locker room the guy that they dreamed of being tied his sneakers before game time.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Where do you think KG would rank on that list if he still played in Minnesota?

2006 Jersey Sales:

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 TOP 25 PLAYERS
1. Dwyane Wade – Miami HEAT    14. Steve Nash – Phoenix Suns
2. LeBron James – Cleveland Cavaliers    15. Amaré Stoudemire – Phoenix Suns
3. Allen Iverson – Philadelphia 76ers    16. ***Kevin Garnett – Minnesota Timberwolves***
4. Kobe Bryant – Los Angeles Lakers    17. Jermaine O’Neal – Jermaine O’Neal
5. Stephon Marbury – New York Knicks    18. Ray Allen – Seattle SuperSonics
6. Shaquille O’Neal – Miami HEAT    19. Jason Kidd – New Jersey Nets
7. Tracy McGrady – Houston Rockets    20. Gilbert Arenas – Washington Knicks
8. Carmelo Anthony – Denver Nuggets    21. Steve Francis – New York Knicks
9. Vince Carter – New Jersey Nets    22. Chris Paul – New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets
10. Ben Wallace – Detroit Pistons    23. Pau Gasol – Memphis Grizzlies
11. Tim Duncan – San Antonio Spurs    24. Yao Ming – Houston Rockets
12. Dirk Nowitzki – Dallas Mavericks    25. Mike Bibby – Sacramento Kings
13. Paul Pierce – Boston Celtics


As an Addendum - Players jersey sales surge everytime they switch teams or change numbers.

[Sever82]

2009 Most Jerseys Sold in Europe:

1. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
2. Kevin Garnett, Boston Celtics
3. Pau Gasol, Los Angeles Lakers
4. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
5. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
6. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs
7. Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic
8. Andrea Bargnani, Toronto Raptors
9. Jose Calderon, Toronto Raptors
10. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics
11. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
12. Rudy Fernandez, Portland Trailblazers
13. Marco Belinelli, Golden State Warriors
14. Joakim Noah, Chicago Bulls
15. Gilbert Arenas, Washington Wizards

No Knicks.

That's because the Knicks have no marketable players. LeBron wouldn't be like that. Here is way for me to illustrate what I'm trying to convey: I believe that if LeBron were a Knick, his jersey would be #1 on the list.

I agree that LeBron doesn't need NY to market himself. I'm saying that he would be able to market himself as mega-star +1 instead of "mere" mega-star if he were in New York.

Where do you think KG would rank on that list if he still played in Minnesota?

If Lebron leaves Cleveland, his jersey would be number no matter where he goes because A) He changed his number and B) He changed teams. So yeah, you're not making much of a stretch there.

[kyrv]

Lebron should be #1 next year wherever he plays.

(MG stole my thunder)

[JackFinn]

After 7 ringless years, LeBron likely won't take a risk on New York unless they get Bosh for a low price. Ewing's reputation does not eclipse Olajuwon's.

His ranking as a basketball player doesn't. His fame does. Its actually an excellent example of my whole point.

Having grown up in the 90's at a place overseas where the NBA is huge, I completely disagree. Having observed many a discussion in the U.S., I more than completely disagree(which I guess goes all the way around to agreeing, somehow.)
But I'll hypothetically concede this, since I'm trying to make a separate point: LeBron still wouldn't choose New York unless the talent level is at least as good as the alternatives. After these humiliating-to-his-ego playoffs exits, I think he would rather be what you think Olajuwon is rather than what you think Ewing is. And I'm not saying you disagree with this - I don't know. I only think the New York allure is strong as long as they land Bosh for nearly nothing.

[Sever82]

Where do you think KG would rank on that list if he still played in Minnesota?

Can we get the best selling jerseys when KG was at his peak instead of making a bogus assumption.

[DuckIII]

If Lebron leaves Cleveland, his jersey would be number no matter where he goes because A) He changed his number and B) He changed teams. So yeah, you're not making much of a stretch there.

I meant if he were already a Knick.

[theanimal23]

Hakeem was much more famous than Ewing, but Ewing was far from a no-body. That said, when people look at history, Hakeem will always enter the conversation of best centers of all time (Honorable Mention), Ewing never will. Why? Rings.

[Rusty Walrus]

(a) Cleveland is one becuase he is from northern Ohio and a 7 year cav.

(b) Chicago is one because the roster kicks ass as a potential immediate contender.

(c) The Knicks are the third team because they are in New York.

Fixed

[Sever82]

If Lebron leaves Cleveland, his jersey would be number no matter where he goes because A) He changed his number and B) He changed teams. So yeah, you're not making much of a stretch there.

I meant if he were already a Knick.

He was already top three as Cav, which is impressive because he had been in the top two for a few years and to still be top three despite staying with the same team and having the same number and jersey shows the support and appeal for james is the same even if he's in a lower market team like the Cavs.

[SpongeWorthy]

The most famous player in Knick history is who? Ewing? Monroe? Frazier? Reed?

Spike Lee and Marv Albert are probably more famous than anyone that's ever played for them.

Close your eyes and think of all the great moments in Knick history: It's Reed coming onto the court and maybe John Starks dunking on the Bulls. That's it. Any other famous moments involving the Knicks are them on the receiving end.

[lu9]

I'll tell you what I've learned in the past 3 to 5 pages of this thread...

I'd like Coldfish right there next to Jerry in the pitch meeting.

[DuckIII]

After these humiliating-to-his-ego playoffs exits, I think he would rather be what you think Olajuwon is rather than what you think Ewing is. And I'm not saying you disagree with this - I don't know.

Let me tell you - in my mind New York and Chicago are now essentially neck and neck.

The problem is that we have no idea what it is that LeBron values. My argument is merely that if its fame he values, he can get more of that on a global level from New York than he can from Cleveland or Chicago or Miami. But that admittedly he'll still be a mega-star, global icon wherever he lands.

You guys are strongly underrating just how huge the Knicks and LeBron would be together from a global fame perspective.

[davhern]

Too many pages to know if this was posted but he's a follow up to the LBJ looking for houses in Chicago from that Justin dude:

I have heard through a reliable source that LeBron was seen looking for houses Tuesday in Highland Park, IL. He was seen entering one of two Range Rovers parked outside a house with a ‘for sale’ sign. If anyone is unfamiliar with the Chicagoland area, that location would be anywhere roughly 10-20 minutes away from the Berto Center in Deerfield where the Bulls practice. Coincidence? I think not.

Obviously, there can be no official negotiations between teams and prospective free agents until the July 1 date, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be under the table talks. I’m not a betting man, but this would be one of those rare occasions where I would throw some money on LeBron wearing number six in a Bulls uniform in the fall of 2010.

http://weinerswords.wordpress.com/2010/ ... -it-is-so/

Interesting that he says that he was seen looking for houses Tuesday in Highland Park ( Source: LeBron James seen house searching in Highland Park today. #Bulls 8:13 PM May 17th via TweetDeck )... since he tweeted on Monday that a source told him that LeBron had been seen looking for houses... and the rumor was already in full effect yesterday morning. Also, a few people on RealCavsFans say they saw him at a local mall yesterday.

Sounds like Weiner is making stuff up.

[Fukudome1]

wow this thread is getting intense. im just sitting back and enjoying it

[theanimal23]

I think LBJ does get more fame in NYC -- if he wins as much or near as much as he can in Chicago. If he can win, hypothetically, 4 titles in Chicago but 1 in NYC -- I don't think his fame would exceed what it could here. And neither will his legacy.

[ScottyKCMO]

After these humiliating-to-his-ego playoffs exits, I think he would rather be what you think Olajuwon is rather than what you think Ewing is. And I'm not saying you disagree with this - I don't know.

Let me tell you - in my mind New York and Chicago are now essentially neck and neck.

The problem is that we have no idea what it is that LeBron values. My argument is merely that if its fame he values, he can get more of that on a global level from New York than he can from Cleveland or Chicago or Miami. But that admittedly he'll still be a mega-star, global icon wherever he lands.

You guys are strongly underrating just how huge the Knicks and LeBron would be together from a global fame perspective.

And I think you are underrating how huge the Bulls and LeBron would be together from a global fame perspective. The Bulls are already ahead of the Knicks globally thanks to MJ.