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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#781 » by sixerfan1976 » Wed May 19, 2010 9:19 pm

Gsraider wrote:SF, you are now posting in multiple threads, so if I missed this, I apologize in advance. Did your buddy pretty much say that Turner was our guy at #2, assuming Wall is taken first or did he know if the team also had an interest in Favors or Cousins at #2 instead?



yeah this one and the draft one i am hanging out in. I didnt see a SF thread anywhere......so I just kinda lurk where the hot topic is:)

Anyway...we wanted turner..and if we were stuck at 6 and couldnt trade up..we were gonna trade back for henry or trade out for a vet.

But we got turner by ping pong luck and will select whoever is there between wall and turner(prob turner). there is no chance of anything other than this happening. dont believe anything you hear to the contrary.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#782 » by Gsraider » Wed May 19, 2010 9:28 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:But we got turner by ping pong luck and will select whoever is there between wall and turner(prob turner). there is no chance of anything other than this happening. dont believe anything you hear to the contrary.


That is exactly what I wanted to hear. Thanks again.
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Post#783 » by PhenomThad31 » Wed May 19, 2010 9:28 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:In the East ..can you get by at the 4/5 with Brand/Dalembert/Speights/Smith and probably one other pickup via trade or free agency?

(first i would like to say I would draft Turner over Cousins anyday of the week.)
Now to answer the question. I guess that really depends on your definition of getting by. If by getting by you mean win about 40-45 games makes the playoffs and maybe even get lucky enough to get into the 2nd round of the playoffs, then yes the that front court could get by. If by getting by you mean beat the Magic or a healthy Celtics team than no. Brand lost his athleticism and is just getting by these days on his fundamentals and basketball IQ, I am by no means a Dalembert hater but he is what he is and he could be gone a year from July 1st. I have lost all hope for Smith to every be anything but a end of the bench guy and Speights is possibly the biggest question mark on this team, hopefully a good coach can turn that around by I am not going to hold my breath for Speights to start looking like a starter. This team needs to add something to solidify the front court and that is not going to be an easy task but I really hope Ed finds a way to get that done.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#784 » by sec-106 » Wed May 19, 2010 10:30 pm

SF, as always, thanks for the info.

I like the plan, so far, but do you see any situation where ES is removed this summer?
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#785 » by sixerfan1976 » Wed May 19, 2010 11:03 pm

No..Stefanski has full control of this offseason...his role is secure for the timebeing.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#786 » by sixerfan1976 » Wed May 19, 2010 11:16 pm

been told that nothing gets done tonight with collins. However, a verbal agreement tomorrow is described as possible to even likely and that a presser would probably occur Saturday after Stefanski got back from Chicago workouts. Collins and his agent may even meet Stefanski in Chitown tomorrow or Friday. After tonight..Collins isnt needed to call a game in Phoenix til Sunday night.

It could still fall apart...but both sides have a huge interest in knocking this out in the next 24 hours.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#787 » by ankle420breaker » Wed May 19, 2010 11:24 pm

SF, thanks again for all of your updates. You (and maybe Evan Turner) certainly breath life into the board!

Any word on whether or not management wants to see how this roster performs with an actual NBA worthy head coach before making any severe roster changes? The detrimental effect EJ had on this team can't be understated, and with a guy like Turner joining the party, do you think they might be a little more hesitant to pull the trigger on any of our core players?

Personally, I don't advocate any major changes (unless its obviously in our favor) until we see what this roster is capable of under a defensive minded coach who actually knows what he's doing. The idea of having a bench of Thad, Speights, Lou, Kapono, and Meeks backing up our starting 5 doesn't exactly put a frown on my face. In fact, I think its been awhile since we've had such depth. Thanks in advance.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#788 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Wed May 19, 2010 11:25 pm

Well, I believe Thad to still be a starting caliber player. Infact, I see him as a better fit next to turner.

The Turner-Iguodala duo is kind of like the Miller-Iguodala back-court. Only Miller made Iguodala better. Can Turner have that same effect?
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#789 » by sec-106 » Wed May 19, 2010 11:28 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:
It could still fall apart...but both sides have a huge interest in knocking this out in the next 24 hours.


My side has interest in that, too.

Thanks again, SF.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#790 » by sixerfan1976 » Wed May 19, 2010 11:28 pm

Collins and Ed share some thoughts on players that dont exactly fit with this team..so there will be some change but i dont think it will be major...maybe just a thad or speights type deal.

they definitely think they underachieved last year.and the talent is here to do alot better...but no one expects a complete champ contender turnaround.....in 1 year
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#791 » by ZarcMumoff » Wed May 19, 2010 11:42 pm

How much money will we have off the books in 2011? A lot of good young big men in that free agent class (Horford, Noah, Oden, and Gasol). I think they are all restricted as well, but I imagine we could get one of them.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#792 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Wed May 19, 2010 11:43 pm

Unless Evan Turner can develop into a scoring slashing wing man with a good perimeter shot. Iguodala should still be the last man out. But I'm only wishing at this point. It's clear everyone still favors Iguodala.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#793 » by Kobblehead » Thu May 20, 2010 12:37 am

PK5 wrote:How much money will we have off the books in 2011? A lot of good young big men in that free agent class (Horford, Noah, Oden, and Gasol). I think they are all restricted as well, but I imagine we could get one of them.


I think about $20 million is coming off the books. That's before adding the upward salaries on our roster, though. I'd imagine we'd have about 12-14 million to spend.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#794 » by Sleep » Thu May 20, 2010 12:42 am

Just thinking out loud, am I the only one who would love to see Avery Johnson here as coach?
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#795 » by Kobblehead » Thu May 20, 2010 12:45 am

I'm not sure why Avery Johnson is getting so much praise. The guy basically took over the team that Nellie set up and:

- Lost the finals despite having a commanding 3-1 lead.
- Got beat in the first round by the 8th seed after his team won 67 games.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#796 » by ZarcMumoff » Thu May 20, 2010 1:06 am

Kobblehead wrote:I'm not sure why Avery Johnson is getting so much praise. The guy basically took over the team that Nellie set up and:

- Lost the finals despite having a commanding 3-1 lead.
- Got beat in the first round by the 8th seed after his team won 67 games.

2-1 lead...I'm pretty sure that series only went to game 6.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#797 » by LongLiveHinkie » Thu May 20, 2010 1:11 am

2-0 lead. Also they were up 18 in game 3 and blew it.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#798 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Thu May 20, 2010 1:26 am

Kobblehead wrote:I'm not sure why Avery Johnson is getting so much praise. The guy basically took over the team that Nellie set up and:

- Lost the finals despite having a commanding 3-1 lead.
- Got beat in the first round by the 8th seed after his team won 67 games.


But Nellie's Mavericks were one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA. The most notable thing they are remembered for is the epicness between them and Adelman's Kings.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#799 » by ankle420breaker » Thu May 20, 2010 1:39 am

sixerfan1976 wrote:Collins and Ed share some thoughts on players that dont exactly fit with this team..so there will be some change but i dont think it will be major...maybe just a thad or speights type deal.



What kind of return are they expecting Speights and Thad to yield? I mean, after EJ screwed around with their minutes and respective roles, their trade value can't be too high. I'm fine with moving a guy like Lou, who's shown what he is, but guys like Thad and Lou who have barely scratched the surface could easily go on to prosper elsewhere. Unless we get solid value back, I think that's something we could easily regret.
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Re: The Coaching Thread/Negotiations Started With Collins 

Post#800 » by PhilasFinest » Thu May 20, 2010 1:46 am

Say we draft Turner.

would you rather try to move Thad for a young 5 in this draft or in the league on a rookie deal.
Or

keep him, have an unstable role off the bench for him and then have to extend him after the season
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