Suns/Nets trade idea

[JMac1]

Amare S&T for Yi and the #3. If Amare walks, he walks to Miami not NJ, so please don't say we can get him outright.

Thoughts?

[ecuhus1981]

Yi and the DAL 1st is as high as I would offer on pure value for an S&T. If the Suns balk or Amar'e simply prefers to sign elsewhere, I'm more than happy to offer David Lee or Boozer a contract, and keep our assets.

Besides, I would rather have DeMarcus Cousins or Derrick Favors @ $3mil/year, than STAT @ $17mil/year.

[JMac1]

Yi and the DAL 1st is as high as I would offer on pure value for an S&T. If the Suns balk or Amar'e simply prefers to sign elsewhere, I'm more than happy to offer David Lee or Boozer a contract, and keep our assets.

Besides, I would rather have DeMarcus Cousins or Derrick Favors @ $3mil/year, than STAT @ $17mil/year.

If Stat walks, we might let Frye walk and go after Lee as well.
So you would rather take a chance on a rookie and save money, rather going with a proven commodity to team with Lopez and Harris? Thats cool if you see it that way. I am assuming your billionaire owner wants to make a splash and money doesn't matter (to him) as much as the players ability. I got that from his interview on TNT.

Thanks for the feed back.

[TheNetsFan]

Amare S&T for Yi and the #3. If Amare walks, he walks to Miami not NJ, so please don't say we can get him outright.

Thoughts?

1) The Suns can't control where Amare goes. He has to agree to any sign and trade deal, so if he doesn't want to sign in NJ outright, he won't go to NJ in a sign & trade.

2) You can't get good value for an unrestricted free agent, unless it's a mediocre free agent being used as a salary filler in a package for a good, expensive player. If a top flight free agent wants to leave, you're left with nothing or some scraps.

3) Amare is not worth a full max deal for 6 years, so there's no incentive to get him via S&T versus signing him outright.

4) Like ecuhus said, give me Favors & his 2 healthy knees locked up on the cheap for the next 4 years over Amare & his balky knees for 5-6 years starting at $16-17mil.

[JMac1]

Amare S&T for Yi and the #3. If Amare walks, he walks to Miami not NJ, so please don't say we can get him outright.

Thoughts?

1) The Suns can't control where Amare goes. He has to agree to any sign and trade deal, so if he doesn't want to sign in NJ outright, he won't go to NJ in a sign & trade.

2) You can't get good value for an unrestricted free agent, unless it's a mediocre free agent being used as a salary filler in a package for a good, expensive player. If a top flight free agent wants to leave, you're left with nothing or some scraps.

3) Amare is not worth a full max deal for 6 years, so there's no incentive to get him via S&T versus signing him outright.

4) Like ecuhus said, give me Favors & his 2 healthy knees locked up on the cheap for the next 4 years over Amare & his balky knees for 5-6 years starting at $16-17mil.[/quote]

That makes you sound like a Homer.

1. If NJ is willing to take a sign and trade from PHX to secure Amare's services he makes MORE money doing that, than walking to Miami. If Amare walks, he is walking to Miami, period. If NJ says they want him Amare will decide to go there via S&T to get MORE money, understand.

2.) Wrong. If there are teams vying for him it changes everything. If NJ wanted Amare, you don't think they would say hey, don't go to Miami for less, we would take you via sign and trade. If no one wants him, then you are right. We know that isn't the case.

3) If you owner wants to pay him MAX, then he is worth max. A baseball card isn't worth 1 million dollars.....but

4.) Weak, doesn't matter.

5.) NJ needs to do something immediately. Desparate times cause for desparate measures. Check your attendance.

[Preludepunk27]

I've been thinking a lot about this lately. I don't think I want to go after Amare anymore unless the Sixers don't take Evan Turner. We'd take him at 3 no doubt.

As of right now I think the Nets should just draft Demarcus Cousins. I said on Tuesday before the lottery I was convincing myself I liked Favors, but now this Cousins is our guy.

If we take Favors though (which I'm depressed yet ok with), we still need to bring in a solid hard working big man to play the 4 until Favors develops, like a David Lee, who we can use as a trade chip at the point Favors reaches his potential.

I don't know, every day I come up with something different. Last night I had convinced myself Philly was gonna take Cousins because then they can unload Dally and have him and Speights be their frontcourt of the future (although a very selfish one at that lol) and we would nab Turner.

This whole #3 pick is warping my brain!

[Preludepunk27]

Amare S&T for Yi and the #3. If Amare walks, he walks to Miami not NJ, so please don't say we can get him outright.

Thoughts?

1) The Suns can't control where Amare goes. He has to agree to any sign and trade deal, so if he doesn't want to sign in NJ outright, he won't go to NJ in a sign & trade.

2) You can't get good value for an unrestricted free agent, unless it's a mediocre free agent being used as a salary filler in a package for a good, expensive player. If a top flight free agent wants to leave, you're left with nothing or some scraps.

3) Amare is not worth a full max deal for 6 years, so there's no incentive to get him via S&T versus signing him outright.

4) Like ecuhus said, give me Favors & his 2 healthy knees locked up on the cheap for the next 4 years over Amare & his balky knees for 5-6 years starting at $16-17mil.[/quote]

That makes you sound like a Homer.

1. If NJ is willing to take a sign and trade from PHX to secure Amare's services he makes MORE money doing that, than walking to Miami. If Amare walks, he is walking to Miami, period. If NJ says they want him Amare will decide to go there via S&T to get MORE money, understand.

2.) Wrong. If there are teams vying for him it changes everything. If NJ wanted Amare, you don't think they would say hey, don't go to Miami for less, we would take you via sign and trade. If no one wants him, then you are right. We know that isn't the case.

3) If you owner wants to pay him MAX, then he is worth max. A baseball card isn't worth 1 million dollars.....but

4.) Weak, doesn't matter.

5.) NJ needs to do something immediately. Desparate times cause for desparate measures. Check your attendance.

You NEVER do something HASTY just because you have the cap space. Portland was patient and it took a few years to develop and they're a playoff team in the West even with all their injuries to their front court. If you act desperately, you end up giving huge money to a guy like Elton Brand coming off an achilles injury.

If you called Rod with that offer, he'd tell you to enjoy Amare and his invisible defense for a few more years.

For the record only because I did an economics paper on the Nets attendance every year since joining the NBA, compared to over teams, our record does not significantly impact our attendance as much as other teams. The accessability of Newark will help that as well. But even in our finals years, we had the lowest attendance of all playoff teams and some years when we were dreadful, we had better attendance than our finals years. Our record is significant, but not as strong as other areas. That by no means makes us have to make desperation moves. Spending your cap wisely and developing young talent creates dynasties. Boston and moves like that rarely happen and should not be viewed as a gold standard to run an organization. If something falls into your lap (see: Pau Gasol to LA for dinner scraps) obviously you seriously consider it, I'm just trying to make the point that desperate times call for desperate measures is accurate for our situation. What are we gonna do...scrap the Brooklyn plans and move someplace completely knew where fans are dying for a team like Kansas City? We're moving less than 20 minutes away. LOL please we're not Sacramento or Indiana.

[amk482]

hmmmmmmmmmm............seems like you are "desperate" to get something in return for Amare and you seem a bit agitated in that it will be near impossible to do so. And if Amare would only come to here at the expense of # 3, i dont want him and his "kneeless" persona anywhere near the team.

[JMac1]

I've been thinking a lot about this lately. I don't think I want to go after Amare anymore unless the Sixers don't take Evan Turner. We'd take him at 3 no doubt.

As of right now I think the Nets should just draft Demarcus Cousins. I said on Tuesday before the lottery I was convincing myself I liked Favors, but now this Cousins is our guy.

If we take Favors though (which I'm depressed yet ok with), we still need to bring in a solid hard working big man to play the 4 until Favors develops, like a David Lee, who we can use as a trade chip at the point Favors reaches his potential.

I don't know, every day I come up with something different. Last night I had convinced myself Philly was gonna take Cousins because then they can unload Dally and have him and Speights be their frontcourt of the future (although a very selfish one at that lol) and we would nab Turner.

This whole #3 pick is warping my brain!

Lol. I feel you. Actually, everything is up in the air, Lebron, Amare, Lee, who gets drafted etc. This is more talk for entertainment as far as I am concerned, but sometimes posters make some solid suggestions and ideas, but most are idiotic to fit totally within your teams favor or your wishes instead of reality.

[demens]

If we take Favors though (which I'm depressed yet ok with), we still need to bring in a solid hard working big man to play the 4 until Favors develops, like a David Lee, who we can use as a trade chip at the point Favors reaches his potential.

Sorry, that makes NO SENSE AT ALL. Why bring in a guy for 5 years and pay him an insane 55million OR MORE when he isn't your future PF? Even if it takes Favor 2 years to be ready, what you're cool with a "solid hard working big man" coming off the bench for 3 years being paid 10+ a year. NO WAY.

I do this Amare deal ONLY if Lebron is on board.

[JMac1]

You NEVER do something HASTY just because you have the cap space. Portland was patient and it took a few years to develop and they're a playoff team in the West even with all their injuries to their front court. If you act desperately, you end up giving huge money to a guy like Elton Brand coming off an achilles injury.

If you called Rod with that offer, he'd tell you to enjoy Amare and his invisible defense for a few more years.

For the record only because I did an economics paper on the Nets attendance every year since joining the NBA, compared to over teams, our record does not significantly impact our attendance as much as other teams. The accessability of Newark will help that as well. But even in our finals years, we had the lowest attendance of all playoff teams and some years when we were dreadful, we had better attendance than our finals years. Our record is significant, but not as strong as other areas. That by no means makes us have to make desperation moves. Spending your cap wisely and developing young talent creates dynasties. Boston and moves like that rarely happen and should not be viewed as a gold standard to run an organization. If something falls into your lap (see: Pau Gasol to LA for dinner scraps) obviously you seriously consider it, I'm just trying to make the point that desperate times call for desperate measures is accurate for our situation. What are we gonna do...scrap the Brooklyn plans and move someplace completely knew where fans are dying for a team like Kansas City? We're moving less than 20 minutes away. LOL please we're not Sacramento or Indiana.

Totally agreed. Good post and I am sure your paper was solid as well. I think the loss of Lebron is going to put teams on the spot like never before. A lot of pissed off fan bases, lebron can only go to ONE team. I just think some owners are going to try to mollify fans with a consolation prize is all. We will find out soon enough.

See GS, Clippers and Philly. Magette, Davis and Brand...ugh desparation and reaching.

[vincecarter4pres]

Amar'e isn't bringing much of anything back in a S&T...

[TheNetsFan]

If your owner doesn't want to pay Amare, no team will give up much. The best you can do is get a decent piece & huge trade exception. Another team may be curteous enough to allow you to sign & trade him for virtually nothing, thus giving you a $16mil trade exception to shop with.

My guess is Bosh goes to South Beach & Amare becomes a Knick. They're the most desperate & most willing to overpay. Perhaps you can sign & trade Amare for Chandler & a huge trade exception or a double sign & trade of Amare for Lee & a trade exception.

[JMac1]

If your owner doesn't want to pay Amare, no team will give up much. The best you can do is get a decent piece & huge trade exception. Another team may be curteous enough to allow you to sign & trade him for virtually nothing, thus giving you a $16mil trade exception to shop with.

My guess is Bosh goes to South Beach & Amare becomes a Knick. They're the most desperate & most willing to overpay. Perhaps you can sign & trade Amare for Chandler & a huge trade exception or a double sign & trade of Amare for Lee & a trade exception.

Lee>#3 and Yi as of now, a Bird in the hand.......

[JMac1]

Could the Suns S&T with you guys for Yi and a late first, and then the Suns could Sign Lee with the TPE for 8 to 10 million?

[Jersey Generals]

It would have to be a sign and trade for Lee using that TPE.

[TheNetsFan]

Could the Suns S&T with you guys for Yi and a late first, and then the Suns could Sign Lee with the TPE for 8 to 10 million?

Yes, but it would have to be done before the Knicks renounce their rights for Lee, because the TPE has to be used in a trade. It can't be used to sign a player.

That being said, I don't believe the Nets are in the market for Amare now that they're stuck with the #3 pick. Unless Philly shocks he world & takes Cousins at #2 that is.

[JMac1]

It would have to be a sign and trade for Lee using that TPE.

Got it. That's a no go for me then.

[JMac1]

Could the Suns S&T with you guys for Yi and a late first, and then the Suns could Sign Lee with the TPE for 8 to 10 million?

Yes, but it would have to be done before the Knicks renounce their rights for Lee, because the TPE has to be used in a trade. It can't be used to sign a player.

That being said, I don't believe the Nets are in the market for Amare now that they're stuck with the #3 pick. Unless Philly shocks he world & takes Cousins at #2 that is.

Why wouldn't you take Amare in a sign in trade and use the 3 pick for an established 2 or pkging another deal, instead of drafting Cousins or Favors and calling it a day? Amare plus the #3 isn't better than #3? That way you don't have to pick a PF and hope he becomes a player.

Basically you will have

Harris
TWill
Amare
Lopez

the #3 and Courtney Lee to work with.

[Preludepunk27]

Could the Suns S&T with you guys for Yi and a late first, and then the Suns could Sign Lee with the TPE for 8 to 10 million?

Yes, but it would have to be done before the Knicks renounce their rights for Lee, because the TPE has to be used in a trade. It can't be used to sign a player.

That being said, I don't believe the Nets are in the market for Amare now that they're stuck with the #3 pick. Unless Philly shocks he world & takes Cousins at #2 that is.

Why wouldn't you take Amare in a sign in trade and use the 3 pick for an established 2 or pkging another deal, instead of drafting Cousins or Favors and calling it a day? Amare plus the #3 isn't better than #3? That way you don't have to pick a PF and hope he becomes a player.

Basically you will have

Harris
TWill
Amare
Lopez

the #3 and Courtney Lee to work with.

It may be too risky. We'd have to make the trade of our pick on Draft Night then HOPE we can swing the deal for Amare. We'd have to be completely sold on him to merit doing a S&T just to get him a year longer contract. It's more likely that we'd just wait it out. I do believe we will make some noise on draft night (we have the last 2 years with the RJ and Vince deals) to set us up better for free agency, but I don't know if it would be to put all our chips in one basket for Amare.

I mean, I like him but I don't like him enough to give him a 6 year deal.