How To Get #2 pick

[pacersrule08]

Philadelphia would trade the second pick if someone took on brands big contract. I dont know if we should do this but we could trade murphy dunleavy 10th for brand lou williams and 2nd. It works on trade checker. Thoughts?

[Crossova21]

I know a lot of people don't want Brand's contract but I think I'd do this trade simply because we need another star with Granger. We've put up with bad contracts all this time and haven't gotten any better. To be honest, Bird keeps talking about the summer of 2011 but I can't see any big name FA coming here. Besides with Murph and Dunleavy both gone we'd open up a spot for Hansbrough and Turner could take Dunleavy's minutes.

BTW there's no guarantee that the Wizards will take Wall (they'd be stupid if they didn't tho). This trade doesn't hurt our core group of players and will bring back some of the fan base. The only thing is I don't know if another team will offer more. The T'Wolves are also eyeing the number 2 pick and have a little more than we have to offer.

Otherwise sign me up!

[PR07]

I don't know. I feel like the Pacers have waited so long to get free from cap hell, that they owe it to themselves to see what they can actually do with it. That might just be me though.

[mizzoupacers]

It's not just you.

But it's a moot point, there's no way Philadelphia is going to auction off the #2 pick. Any team that does something like that should be kicked out of the NBA until they're ready to behave like a big-league franchise again.

[PR07]

I guess it depends on three things:

A. How good do you think Evan Turner is? Is he the next Brandon Roy? Or just a nice role player?
If he's as good as Brandon Roy, maybe it's worth taking that chance.

B. Can Elton Brand give you anything? His stat line of 13 and 7 shooting 48% from the field isn't bad (certainly not worth the contract). However, this was on a fairly bad team, so I don't know if it was legit or not. He's not an all-star anymore, but if Brand can give you a solid low post game and rebounding and just overall blue collar play next to Hibbert as a starter, it could work out really well. Hansbrough isn't ready to start, and the Pacers' have to have a starter out there if Murphy's departing.

C. Do we realistically see us signing any big FA with our cap space anyways? I know Dirk and Tony Parker are FA's among others, do we honestly see guys like this wanting to sign with Indiana without seriously overpaying?

Whoever
Turner
Granger
Brand
Hibbert

6th man: Rush

That's not bad and has a good chance to make the playoffs in the East.

[Scoot McGroot]

As much of a champion of cap space as I've been, I would absolutely encourage the front office to make a move for Evan Turner, and take on Elton Brand. I think the guy is still coming back from an injury, but was coming back from an injury to a team that had already developed a different style without him. I think he'd still have something left, especially since his game didn't necessarily rely on athleticism to begin with.

I'd be all over something like Murphy/Ford/#10 for Brand/Kapono/#2. I think we'd have to get some expiring in return as well, and Kapono would fit this roster tremendously well. Although, I doubt Philly would drop from 2 to 10 just to dump 3 years of Brand. If they would, I would do it in a second. Adding Evan Turner long term next to Danny Granger would be just tremendous. I'd then look to spin Brandon Rush off for a PG in some way if at all possible.

[Starkiller]

If we have a brain in our heads we do that. Lou Williams isn't a bad player either. Could possilby play a bit of PG. I agree w/ everyone else, we've had bad contracts for years, and Brand is the only one who if he actually played to his potential, would be worth his contract. Brand can be a 20/10 guy, paired w/ Granger, Turner, and Hibbert, we are a force. Rush, Watson, McRoberts, Psycho T off the bench I like the sounds of that.

[Scoot McGroot]

Move Rush and the 2nd for Conley?

[Starkiller]

Move Rush and the 2nd for Conley?

I'd almost be willing to trade the two 2nds to nab Bledsoe if possible.

[blueandgold]

Here you go!

Pacers trade:

#10 Pick- They get a good pick (Big Man)
TJ Ford- Expiring with experience
Murphy- Double/Double and expiring
Rush- Rising and will hit his stride and expiring

for

Brand- Gives us the prototipical PF but with 4 years that is a gamble. Scoring to help Granger
Holiday- Our potentail futur PG but is a gamble
Dalembert- Backup or mirror image of Hibbert to share time. Foster is a medical gamble
#2 Pick- Evan Turner as a SG of the future when we rid of Dunleavy. Will start instead of Rush.


MONEY WORKS

[laydo]

Move Rush and the 2nd for Conley?

I'd almost be willing to trade the two 2nds to nab Bledsoe if possible.

What about Avery Bradley from Texas? He looks much more athletic than Bledsoe. Can he play point guard?

[PR07]

I'd keep Rush. I think he could be a tremendous 6th man, capable of defending both wing spots, and he can shoot.

[Miller4ever]

Top-20 in the NBA last year in 3P% and on many more attempts than several of the guys in front of him.

And he blocks shots.

[Gremz]

Here you go!

Pacers trade:

#10 Pick- They get a good pick (Big Man)
TJ Ford- Expiring with experience
Murphy- Double/Double and expiring
Rush- Rising and will hit his stride and expiring

for

Brand- Gives us the prototipical PF but with 4 years that is a gamble. Scoring to help Granger
Holiday- Our potentail futur PG but is a gamble
Dalembert- Backup or mirror image of Hibbert to share time. Foster is a medical gamble
#2 Pick- Evan Turner as a SG of the future when we rid of Dunleavy. Will start instead of Rush.


MONEY WORKS

I wish.

[8305]

How good is Evan Turner? He certainly dominated the college game. Eventually I wonder if he eliminates the need for a traditional point guard. He's good enough that you make this trade.

What can you get from Elton Brand? That's the $50 mil question. Over the term of his contract your best case scenario is Antonio McDice. If he can stay healthy you can probably get something out of him.

Would the Pacers get anything done in free agency anyway? Probably not. This is an example of the kind of trade you can make with expiring contracts or cap space and is really the more likely way for Indiana build than signing free agents. If Pacers can use expiring contracts to upgrade talent this summer so much the better.

As to the trade itself, I'm not sure Murphy, Ford and 10 for Brand, 2 and filler gets it done. I'd hate to throw in Rush. But, I would get this done. Also wouldn't be opposed to taking back Williams if that is what it takes.

All that said, the logical team to make this trade is Minnesota. They can offer pick 4 and can absorb Brand's contract without even needing to send expirings back. The team that should really consider this is Golden State. Not sure they have the expirings but something that included Ellis, pick 5 and Randolph would have to be pretty interesting to Philly. And how good would Turner and Curry be?

[laydo]

The team that should really consider this is Golden State. Not sure they have the expirings but something that included Ellis, pick 5 and Randolph would have to be pretty interesting to Philly. And how good would Turner and Curry be?

Golden State already has too much ugly contracts: Ellis, Biedrins 4yrs left and Maggette 3yrs left. They may not want Brand at all.

[Donerik]

If elton brand passes a physical this trade would be done if it was on the table.

Elton Brand was a valuable commodity coming out of LA. Evan Turner is one of two stars in this draft, we'd give up a (potentially in the draft)rotation player, and expiring contracts? Brand's contract isn't that bad 3 years 50 million. he'd take up approximately half the amount we'd be under the cap. If brand brought any value we'd come out way ahead.

Larry Legend Please!

[glasket]

If the deal really is there I'd take on Brand for the chance to draft at #2.
It is not such a huge gamble, if Brand can contribute even a little then we'd be great. Perhaps a change of scenery and playing next to Hibbert can do good for the former All Star.
Plus think of the intangible boost to all our players confidence of having a potential star (Evan Turner) next to them. Just look at how disappointed Danny was at the lottery draft.

[Gremz]

Even though the financial savings would be great for them, I just can't see them making a deal for the #2 unless we attach the #10 pick.

If they sell Turner that low already, it will be a major mistake.

[Starkiller]

Even though the financial savings would be great for them, I just can't see them making a deal for the #2 unless we attach the #10 pick.

If they sell Turner that low already, it will be a major mistake.

I give them the 10th w/ that deal. It's worth it. Besides, we could try and trade our two 2nd rounders for a mid to late first rounder and nab someone later on down the road. Maybe trade the two 2nd rounders for Bledose or something like that.