Cousins or Favors

[ICMTM]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... ve/?page=1

Article on Cousins that pretty much sums up what ALL of us have been saying. It's a good read.

[pillwenney]

The argument that doesn't fly with me is "How many 19-year-olds aren't going to have issues?" My response to that is "Oh, I don't know. How about all the rest of the prospects in this draft aside from Whiteside?"

[longfellow44]

My Vote is that if Cousins doesn't fall to 5 like we all hope he does then I want us to do the Minnesota deal and get Al Jefferson.

In that Scenario Landry is the obvious guy to get moved based on position and size. Hawes is a keeper because of his ability to stretch the defense while Jefferson is on the floor and Thompson is a keeper because of his size allowing him to back up either position and the fact that he's a good fit with both Hawes and Jefferson.

That means that the kings will have Landry available in trade. I think they use him to find an upgrade at PG or to find a true Shot blocking reserve presence like Javale McGee.

This summer is very important for our team and if things go well we should come out the other side a much much improved team with the ability to compete for a championship in a couple short years.

[ICMTM]

I want NO PART of JaVale McGee! I'd rather draft the BPA @ 5 then trade for Al Jeff!

[VeeJay24]

Cousins may still be available to us at five. Either way I would be happy with Cousins, Johnson or Favors........

[SadKingsFan]

The point with Sheed and Coleman was that neither reached their potential because of their problems. Both had successful careers, but if we're comparing them to say, and injury-free McDyess, it's not contest. If Favors wasn't available as well, I'd probably take Cousins, but the alternative here is a guy with great physical tools and a great attitude and work ethic.

As for the bolded part, Iverson has always been known for creating problems, and for having a skill set that wasn't conducive to winning. And JR Smith is still an idiot--maybe not quite as bad as he was, but definitely somebody whose contribution to his teams success doesn't at all match his talent.

Favors was in a crappy position to succeed in college, but even with that said, I'm not saying that Cousins isn't a better over all player right now. He is. But that's not the basis for drafting a player. It's about where he'll be in relation to your team in the future.

Personally, I don't care about criminal acts for the most part. As long as it doesn't really interfere with the team, and it's not part of a greater character flaw, I think generally they aren't a big deal. I'm much more concerned with on-court, losing your head, team interaction issues. You can call it immaturity, but it's not a concern for other players. More players than not don't grow out of these problems.

I agree with most of this, but can we even be sure that a lot of these so called character issues aren't overblown? Cousins recently said in an interview that he has a lot to prove, so hopefully he can show our front office that he wont fly off the handle in certain situations. Although there is no way to prove that, until he is actually in the NBA playing real games of course.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

If we draft Cousins, we should bring in Big Nasty as a big man's coach to work with him, because I can't remember a big who worked with more passion and yet was mentially focused on it all. Plus, Big Nasty would never back down to Cousins.

[RIPskaterdude]

Yeah, nothing against SAR, but he wasn't exactly the defensive presence in his time...I'm not sure if Corliss would be the best one to work with Cousins, but it would be a start.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Not in terms of defense, I just ment in controling his passion.

[ICMTM]

DeMarcus Cousins is about an inch taller and has a wingspan about an inch wider than Cole Aldrich yet outweighs him by 60lbs. Cousins weighed in @ 292 in Chicago. Stats are on Draftexpress.com.

[Cruel_Ruin]

If we do get Cousins I'd like the Kings to sign a veteran leader off the cheap with some championship experience. Play a Vlade-like role in the locker room. He wouldn't even have to play often, just be a calming presence.

[pillwenney]

If we do get Cousins I'd like the Kings to sign a veteran leader off the cheap with some championship experience. Play a Vlade-like role in the locker room. He wouldn't even have to play often, just be a calming presence.

Yeah wouldn't be a bad idea. SAR seems like he might be a good influence, but I don't think he has a big enough personality to really influence anybody. Cisco is another guy who I kinda see playing the Vlade role--just not the same extent.

Then again, you're going to be very, very, very hard-pressed to find anybody that can do that as well as Vlade.

[longfellow44]

There's a lot of negative stuff out there about Cousins weight. But from what I could see he's not that far from his ideal playing weight.

They said he's currently at 292 lbs and 16% body fat. That's good for the average guy but not ideal for an NBA big man. Big men in the NBA tend to have roughly 9-12% body fat which is perfectly acceptable those guys are usually in great shape and do very well. wing players tend to have lower body fat than bigs and that's usually extremely low to about 8%. If Cousins were to lower his body fat percentage down to 12% that would only require him to lose 11lbs and get down to roughly 280lbs.

I for one don't think it's a stretch at all to see him drop 11lbs in fact I would be willing to bet he could have it done before the start of the season.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

He's already on an extended diet. He could most definetly get that weight down.

[longfellow44]

I just think that based on the fact that his body fat is low considering his actual weight is a very positive sign. I would have assumed based on his weight that the body fat would have much higher near 18-20%.

I'm taking this as a huge positive. His height was a bit of a disappointment but his standing reach is amazing so I think that more than makes up for the shorter stature.

[Rvirgin09]

I have the Kings picking Favors with the fifth, but if Favors goes early Cousins will fall to fifth.


either or in this case.

http://sportsleak.com/2010/06/07/2010-n ... -the-rise/