2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

[vincecarter4pres]

I may be a bit biased because i think most NBA players are borderline dumbasses, but Favors came off like an idiot in his interview.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA ... Orton-3471

-Can you conjure up a complete thought buddy?
-Uhh, Mehh, Yeah, Yeah, I can conjure up a complete, ehh, thought.

I don't know that he sounded dumb. He didn't sound smart though either, lol.
I just think he's a kid, he's nervous and honestly, he's not a big personality, he's laid back, very vanilla, maybe one of those people that just don't have much to say.

[SpeedyG]

Yeah, that interview is such a turnoff lol. My lord I think I'd rather listen to Shaq mumble his words than Favors' answers.

[vincecarter4pres]

I liked Monroe's interview though. There were some questions they asked him where he just gave that, "What the F dude, you really expect me to answer that?", answer though.

[SpeedyG]

Chad Ford: 76ers shopping No.2 pick?
Asking price: taking on Brand's contract.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... -no-2-pick

To play devil's advocate here....what IF....we take on Brand's contract, take the #2 pick from the Sixers, and offer it to Cleveland for a SnT for Lebron (along with Yi + TWill, which would be a good haul if they feel they might lose James)? The 3rd pick, we then ship to Houston for Kevin Martin, their 1st, and say a Chuck Hayes or Scola)?

Our lineup would look like:

PG - Harris, Bledsoe (or some other late round PG, DAL)
SG - Martin, Lee
SF - James, CDR
PF - Brand, late pick (Hou's, Patterson?)
C - Lopez, Scola/Hayes

It would give us, I think, a very well balanced team that can run, defend, shoot, and penetrate. But is it enough to contend and win? And is Brand's contract still too awful a deal even if it allows us to get James?

If, such a scenario is possible, would you do it?

[Morthello]

I may be a bit biased because i think most NBA players are borderline dumbasses, but Favors came off like an idiot in his interview.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA ... Orton-3471

-Can you conjure up a complete thought buddy?
-Uhh, Mehh, Yeah, Yeah, I can conjure up a complete, ehh, thought.

Yea ive noticed this awhile back. He comes off as extremely shy and humble to me and isn't great at articulating himself. But hey i believe he's the youngest player in the whole draft(18?). Plus side to his attitude is that he'll probably be the most coachable player you could ask for.

[60cent]

I just saw Lance Stephenson on the Pre-Draft Camp amd saw some of his highlights. The kid looks good to me and he seemed big and long. He can also shoot and can create his own shot. But why is he not considered a top kid, what's wrong with him?

Sorry, i did follow this kid.

[60cent]

I really like him. He seemed humble and quiet as well.

Just curious to know what is going on with him. Im assuming it's got something to do with his character and some said it's his body language, like he's not into the game much.

With our late picks, i think it's not gonna hurt to use it to gamble on players like him. He is my guy for the late picks along with Lawal.

I use to like Warren but he seem more of a guy that carries baggages like CDR to me.

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't like Lawal or Stephensen. Lawal is the definition of a blackhole. Stephensen, eh, I just don't like his attitude, he's not that polished and is a ballhog himself, along with a mediocre athlete.

[enetric]

E,

You'd have to check with Sham, Shrink or one of the other cap experts, but I'm pretty sure there is a pretty significant cap hold for Rubio, even if he stays in Europe this year.

A Harris for Rubio swap (not that Minny would do it IMO) creates more cap room, but not anywhere close to the $8.9 that Harris makes.

If I am wrong about that...my bad. I was under the impression that since they did not sign him and he stays in Europe, that he doesnt affect them until he comes over.

If I am wrong...so we get about half of in the salary swap....make Humphries go away....boom you have your room for max 2 free agents. Still works out. And I wouldnt be shocked to see him opt out. In fact...I think he should. He played well. I think he could get 3 years 11 mil from someone out there.

As for Minny not doing it...all I can say is...the Bucks swore they wouldnt deal Yi no matter what. At some point getting an all star 26 year old PG making only 9 mil starts looking like a good offer when the Knicks are offering you Wilson Chandler and Rubio is telling you that he is the "GREAT RUBIO" and screw crappy ass Minny. His agent would love to get him to to NY. What happens if he finds out there is actually a credible offer on the table? I cant possibly know what Minny would do....but its not like I am saying lets STEAL him. Harris is vlearly a quality offer especially if the kid doesnt want to play for you and is willing to stay overseas.

[enetric]

Realized I said Taylor and not Blake, hahahahhaha. I think we could deff. get Taylor with the 3rd pick. Color me embarassed.


But as for what you said, Lude, I think we have a GREAT shot at Melo, especially if the Knicks trade Curry to Washington for Arenas, therefore blowing their "supposed" cap space in 2011.

I dont believe that deal for a second! BS rumor. First off they would have to add more for the match unless they get a third team. So the KNicks with all of 4 contracts have to give up 2 of them.

Next, do that deal and you LOSE cap room since you will be adding closer to the 25% max to get it done so now Arenas after missing 2 years plus a crap half a season...before we even get to guns and stupidity just cost you a shot at that second worthy max contract! Why do that? Fo the right to play this team killer 80 mil for 4 years? Arenas is only leaving Washington if they find a way to void his contract or if he retires suddenly. Otherwise, look for them to be stuck with the Wall Arenas experiment. Sadly, I dont think they would have the balls to take Turner instead. They will simply try to convince Gil he was really a 2 guard in the first place.

As for Melo, I also think we could have a shot at Melo. I sincerely hope if we cant get Lebron we do not use up all our cap room on medicrity. Lebron, Wade, Amare, Bosh are the only guys I would have interest in at max dollars...and even Amare gives me the yips at that price.

Would I consdier Lee or Boozer? If its ONLY them as a consolation prize and if you can line up cap space enough to get Melo next year.

[enetric]

As smart as Donnie Walsh is, I'm almost positive they sign 2 big guys in some capacity this summer.

I truly believe we're only competing against ourselves next year for Melo if we still have the cap space. The window is definitely closing in Denver. Unless they make a big move (hey it's possible), Melo will be on the move next year and I'm literally 99% sure it's to us as long as we don't use up our cap room.

I am not so sure. WHo will he sign? Would he bring them right back to the middle of the pack and go for JJ and someone else if Lebron or Wade say no thanks? I could see one signing and sit tight. I mean I would love that! Sign JJ and Boozer for the Knicks...awesome. .500 ish team for the next 5 years with few draft picks, no cap space and half a team of garbage. Wow, a dream come true.

[enetric]

As smart as Donnie Walsh is, I'm almost positive they sign 2 big guys in some capacity this summer.

I truly believe we're only competing against ourselves next year for Melo if we still have the cap space. The window is definitely closing in Denver. Unless they make a big move (hey it's possible), Melo will be on the move next year and I'm literally 99% sure it's to us as long as we don't use up our cap room.

Washington only has $25 million in salaries committed for 2011/12, plus Melo's from the Baltimore area.

FWIW: Philly is currently on the books for $41 million in 2011/12 and if they trade Iggy (him and Turner do seem a bit redundant), they can be in play as well.

I could see THEM sdealing Iggy mid year to the Knicks for Curry and a Chandler or Galo. To me that would be about the very best the KNicks could get for Curry...IF the 76ers opted to go that route.

[enetric]

Would anyone consider trading Yi and the 3rd pick for Blake Griffin and the 8th pick?

Would you do it if the nj pick were taken out, leaving just Yi/#3 for Griffin?

(hell yes imo)

Figure out a way to get Humprhies moves out as well...and you actually created some cap room as well.

Personally...no way LAC does that unless they know Griffin is damaged goods.

[enetric]

Would anyone consider trading Yi and the 3rd pick for Blake Griffin and the 8th pick?

Would you do it if the nj pick were taken out, leaving just Yi/#3 for Griffin?

(hell yes imo)

I don't know. Griffin really tore his knee up and his game absolutely revolves around his athleticism and he really isn't that much better a prospect then Favors or Cousins if at all, just a different type of prospect.

That said, I'm not trying to say LAC would do that deal, it's skewed in the Nets favor, at least on paper.

Wow. You really live draft day fever dont you! The injury comment I was fine with...but saying thse two are as good as Griffin besides that? Griffin was an absolute stud prospect a year ago...and other than a year passing with you seeing results and this year having the new kids as shinny unwrapped presents...there is no basis for this thinking. And I always caution it...so easy to overhype the exictement of the MAYBE.

[enetric]

Hollinger and his magic ratings has Cousins as the best player
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1012996

I refuse to read too much into Holligners nonsese. I am sure the production per minute in college factored in heavily.

I watched both days of the draft combine...and right now? I am even more sold on Favors over Cousins.

I willl say, seeing Cousins next to other kids...watching him...he isnt the big lard ass Curry was. Beefy yes, but not Sean May or Curry.

Cousins looks like an unathletic magubu though anyway. And the mosre I listened...the more I soured. The comment I found most interesting? Someone said that while Favors did not have a great year and Cousins did....many scouts are aware of system and opportunity and it was pointed out that in HS...they played each other enough...and that and I quote...Favors would destroy Cousins.

Maybe a year is enough for some to think...OK Cousins has grown and evolved. But I am troubled by the characterization that he constantly took plays off in college. That he would have great stretches and then times he didnt even run the floor. I am stressed that he has NBA bust written all over him...despite how much more ready he may seem.

Clearly no way is he an on the ball defender. Defensively he is baltent weakside help shot blocker like Brook.

As someone pointed out...if they take him...eventually a trade will have to happen. I just cant see the fit. Having said all of that? Dear lord I hope Turner falls...lol.

[enetric]

^Really. That's...interesting. If that's the case, then I think the Mavs should jump on that. Trade the Dampier "DUST" contract, get Evan Turner.

You nailed it. Absolutely that is the team to consider it. If Philly does that...I think their fans will lose their minds. Makes us selling a late 20 pick for cash years ago look like nothing...eh? I many are still pissed we didnt get that guy. Him and then Korver after that. Selling Evan Turner????? HAHAHA! Ouch.

[enetric]

That is very interesting. I think a lot of moves can possibly be made in the Lotto this year. I wonder though if they'd take Turner though. I would think they'd want a big man of the future. Someone that isn't so much like Dirk. I would think they'd really be interested in Cousins or Favors. They have time to let them grow, yet you know they can contribute in doses on that team.

Of course this is my illogically thinking about Turner falling to us so take my comment with a grain of salt

I am actually hoping this is what happens. That they are wowed by Cousins and we dont have to deal with him at all. Now, if we are chosing between the two bigs...while I prefer Favors at this time, I wont lose my mind if Cousins is the pick. My feeling is...Cousins is the kid being grilled the hardest with questions at the combine. If our guys took him...have to trust that they got the answers they were looking for and just hope for the best.

But, without that....the heart, attitude and athletcism are all leaning towards Favors....before we even get to red flag issues. I have to say....not sure I would take Cousins over the Georgetown kid.

But hey...that's just me..

[enetric]

With Cousins' measurements today, I think I have renewed hope that Turner might very well fall to us.

I watched both days...but I didnt see the final numbers. Anyone have a link?

[jeff1624]

With Cousins' measurements today, I think I have renewed hope that Turner might very well fall to us.

I watched both days...but I didnt see the final numbers. Anyone have a link?

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/

[jerseyjac]

Hollinger and his magic ratings has Cousins as the best player
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1012996

I refuse to read too much into Holligners nonsese. I am sure the production per minute in college factored in heavily.

I watched both days of the draft combine...and right now? I am even more sold on Favors over Cousins.

I willl say, seeing Cousins next to other kids...watching him...he isnt the big lard ass Curry was. Beefy yes, but not Sean May or Curry.

Cousins looks like an unathletic magubu though anyway. And the mosre I listened...the more I soured. The comment I found most interesting? Someone said that while Favors did not have a great year and Cousins did....many scouts are aware of system and opportunity and it was pointed out that in HS...they played each other enough...and that and I quote...Favors would destroy Cousins.

Maybe a year is enough for some to think...OK Cousins has grown and evolved. But I am troubled by the characterization that he constantly took plays off in college. That he would have great stretches and then times he didnt even run the floor. I am stressed that he has NBA bust written all over him...despite how much more ready he may seem.

Clearly no way is he an on the ball defender. Defensively he is baltent weakside help shot blocker like Brook.

As someone pointed out...if they take him...eventually a trade will have to happen. I just cant see the fit. Having said all of that? Dear lord I hope Turner falls...lol.

I definitely agree with what your saying, at the same time, do the Nets gets scared away because of the potential of him going bust, or as Cousins recently stated, "I'm a Good Guy"

I have to admit, the lack of enthusiasm on the defensive end worries me the most in regards to Cousins...He doesnt have to be a defensive stud, but he has the size/wingspan, all bigger than Favors, if he puts half the effort in, he could defend (not guard, per say) a lot of players in this league...Favors you know is going to guard a lot of NBA bigs, despite being smaller...but here we fall short w/ an offensive game, being less than polished and I highly doubt his offensive game will ever reach anywhere near Amare's(thats why I hate the comparison, we get the explosiveness, but Amare is just better)...Favors just doesnt appear to have that offensive skillset...