Poll:Evan Turner VS. Demarcus Cousins

[Esohny]

I'd move Brewer.

[LOBO 7]

Hopefully we all realize that this summer is a make-or-break summer for this franchise. We have a TON of assets, but if we don't use them properly we will regret it for years and years to come, and we will look back and say, "Man, if we would have done things differently in the summer of 2010 we could be contenders by now".

With that in mind, I can't believe how quickly everyone has just accepted our fate, that WE are the team who is going to wind up with the biggest question mark in this draft, WE are getting this year's Super Cool Beas. I wanted nothing to do with Beasley coming out of college, and I feel the same way about Cousins now. He just doesn't seem like a good teammate and he doesn't seem at all driven to be as good as he possibly can be. He just seems like the type of player who will blame coaches or teammates in times of struggle, rather than trying to improve himself. I get the same vibe from Dwight Howard. He's a beast, but when it really matters he doesn't have what it takes, the killer instinct to exert his will on his game, so I actually see him as a bit of an underachiever. I see Cousins as destined to always be a bit of an underachiever as well, because if you don't have that drive to begin with, you just don't develop it.

We need a superstar.

I take that back. We just need a star, but one with all the right intangibles to make everyone on the team better, to make everyone feel more confident, and more together. I just absolutely do not see those qualities in Cousins. If Kahn goes through rigorous workouts and interviews and does see those qualities in Cousins, along with a real willingness to listen and embrace team concepts, and a strong desire to improve his game and himself, then I will be fine with picking him. I just feel that that is highly unlikely.

On the other hand, if Kahn goes through rigorous workouts and interviews with Turner and sees all those qualities, which I think is much more likely, then I am all for doing whatever it takes to get him. If that means taking on Brand's contract for a few years, small price to pay.

I'll end my rant now. Turner or bust.

[Klomp]

He just seems like the type of player who will blame coaches or teammates in times of struggle, rather than trying to improve himself.

Like Kevin Love?

[LOBO 7]

He just seems like the type of player who will blame coaches or teammates in times of struggle, rather than trying to improve himself.

Like Kevin Love?

But worse, way worse. Love seems to just have a little bit of that in him, the dark side just creeping into his ear a bit. Cousins seems to have already drifted to the point of no return.

[IAmTheTruth]

Cousins > what it would take to get Turner

I'm not making our team worse to get best case B-Roy 2.0

the ONLY way I move up for Turner is if we can do it without trading Love or the 4, which means taking on Brand and trading Al Jeff. That's prolly not going to happen, so this is barely worth discussing.

[Breakdown777]

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I have felt all along that Kahn would do whatever it takes to get the player he covets, and I still believe that player is Turner. A lot can change between now and draft day, but I'm still only luke warm on Cousins. For one thing, if we draft Cousins we're basically starting another rebuild, which scares me.

Another rebuild is the opposite of what scares me. Right now, we have a coach and GM with vaguely similar ideas for the type of team they want. Half our players, and most of our good players, don't fit with the percieved style of play they want. I would welcome another rebuild if it results with everyone on the same page.

One thing I'd like to say about Cousins....does he remind anyone else of Dampier? I know Dampier is mostly Defense, boards, and blocks, and Cousins is projected to have a better all around game, but they seem like similar players from a mental standpoint. I could see Cousins being significantly better every time he is in a contract year or feels he needs to prove himself. At 4, with the potential he has, I don't see how you don't take him, and it's not like a better offensive Dampier is the Worst guy to have at center. And yes...I'm talking myself into Cousins. Is there anything wrong with playing the hand I've been dealt? Sure, I could give up 3 cards for the chance at a Flush, but I'll stick with 2 pair and the chance for a full house 99% of the time.

[Breakdown777]

The player with the most question marks last year turned out to be a pretty good starting PG for the number 5 seed in the east.

Sooner or later you have to take some risks, and when the risk in this case is settling for the BPA without giving up assests, you take that risky player.
Nobody is just going to give us the perfect fit for this team, which is why the Wolves need to adapt to the situation. Kahn can work his magic, and turn the Bigman overload into some equivalent wing talent without giving up major assets. If the front office can do that, I think it will speak volumes to the fans and the players.
And I dispute the claim that this team needs a star, I believe we have one in Rubio. When he comes over, he will be a top 5 (maybe top 3) PG. If we have complimentary TALENTED pieces around him, this team could possibly contend. I think Cousins will at minimum be a complimentary talented piece. He doesn't solve our wing problems, but we have the 16, 23, and next years top 10 pick to solve those problems (not to mention 3 tradable bigs that serve roughly the same purpose in Love, Al, and Pek).
I know we need to blow our assets sooner or later, but I think Kahn has proved that he is good at making small deals to maximize said assets, and I would be comfortable with a continuation of small deals to create a winning team, instead of combining all assets on a shot in the dark.

[LOBO 7]

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I have felt all along that Kahn would do whatever it takes to get the player he covets, and I still believe that player is Turner. A lot can change between now and draft day, but I'm still only luke warm on Cousins. For one thing, if we draft Cousins we're basically starting another rebuild, which scares me.

Another rebuild is the opposite of what scares me. Right now, we have a coach and GM with vaguely similar ideas for the type of team they want. Half our players, and most of our good players, don't fit with the percieved style of play they want. I would welcome another rebuild if it results with everyone on the same page.

One thing I'd like to say about Cousins....does he remind anyone else of Dampier? I know Dampier is mostly Defense, boards, and blocks, and Cousins is projected to have a better all around game, but they seem like similar players from a mental standpoint. I could see Cousins being significantly better every time he is in a contract year or feels he needs to prove himself. At 4, with the potential he has, I don't see how you don't take him, and it's not like a better offensive Dampier is the Worst guy to have at center. And yes...I'm talking myself into Cousins. Is there anything wrong with playing the hand I've been dealt? Sure, I could give up 3 cards for the chance at a Flush, but I'll stick with 2 pair and the chance for a full house 99% of the time.

Well, I guess this summer is going to be so busy and unpredictable that it's basically going to be another rebuild regardless, so I guess I should be very afraid

My latest idea (or way of avoiding Cousins) is to give up on Turner and draft Cousins at #4 but then trade him to whoever picks Johnson (probably Sacramento) for Johnson + something, as Sacramento seems to be pretty high on Cousins and he's a good fit for them. Maybe we could get Casspi or Greene? Then, use that asset + the #16 to get George, if he doesn't fall to #16, which is looking less and less likely. That way we get Johnson and George without using any of our original assets.

I don't know, I just can't warm up to Cousins. We'll have to see how workouts change everything, but I think both Johnson and George are going to be studs, and their combination of athleticism and shooting would be so refreshing, and such a good fit with Rubio.

If we work the draft that way and get a project big at #23, hopefully Seraphin or maybe Larry Sanders, we will have a pretty dang balanced roster, and will still have all our assets to work with (Pekovic, Al or Love, cap space).

[GopherIt!]

I like Turner but even before the lotto I have been saying that has been a little over-hyped. Brandon Roy II he is not.

[Foye]

I think Cousins, Turner and Favors are talent-wise not far away from each other but Turner would've been the perfect fit for Minnesota and that's why everyone here favorizes Turner.

[southern wolf]

Most teams would favour Turner. He's the clear #2 pick, and I don't think that's going to change.

[the_bruce]

The talent drop between 1-4 isn't that large imo. Sure wall has the most superstar potential, but Turner has some as well. Cousins & Favors also have some too. The price to move up a few spots in the draft is far to steep a price considering the marginal talent gap 2-4.

Take cousins and deal with the logjam some other way.

[revprodeji]

We are starting another rebuild. If you think different you are being naive. We had 15 wins and did the best we could to liquefy assets for this summer. We are now starting to build.

[mefromthefuture]

between Cousins or Turner I'll go Cousins he works like a beast on court and I am a fan of his angry attitude on the court and Turner's jumper scares me a lot.


But with this pick hopefully Cousins I think our team could be set at the 1 and 5 with a decent role player with Corey and some extra rooks, and the movable 4's also some cap room or save it.

I think the team will be improved but not to much to lose our pick next season and could be lucky for the lottery for a change and scoop up Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones.

Then we would be all set up for the 11-12 season but the only thing I want is not to watch is the same type team as this year I was not impressed at all! ( I am for sure no one was)

[Mattya]

Demarcus Cousins body fat % isn't good, but one thing that you have to think about is that at the NBA level, if his mind is right and decides to lift big weights, he will gain large amounts of muscle at his size. Which once his conditioning gets better will burn off the fat. I just hope they can get him on a good routine so he doesn't add too much muscle like Greg Oden did and put so much pressure on his legs.

I would like to add that Evan Turner's jumper was definately looking pretty good from the couple shots you could see him taking against John Wall at the Draft Combine yesterday. If his jumpshot is falling at any of his one on one workouts for Philly there will probably be no chance of moving up to get him.

[shangrila]

Yeah I wouldn't worry about his fat. Love was a marshmellow man when he got here and...well, he's still fat but at least he's never cold, right?

[revprodeji]

I am shocked at the BF% because he does not look like it. Does he look slow? Does he look fat? His uniform was skin-tight and I never thought he was fat.

[Esohny]

I am shocked at the BF% because he does not look like it. Does he look slow? Does he look fat? His uniform was skin-tight and I never thought he was fat.

Gotta say I was surprised too. I mean, the guy is just massive, and while he's not cut, he sure isn't doughy looking.

[revprodeji]

We should change this to "Cousins or Johnson/AMinu"