Cousins = Jamarcus Russell

[bmyers3317]

First time poster (that I can remember) long time lurker.

He has a ton of talent and a ton of tools but there are a ton of red flags. Great players in the NBA have a killer insticnt. If he isn't motivated now to get in shape (second most body fat among prospects at the combined) what going to happen after he signs and gets older.

Draft Tuner and don't even think about making a trade. People who are comparing Turner to Iggy don't know basketball. Turner's handle allows him to get anywhere he wants on the court and he has the desire to be great and is willing to work for it (making not shooting 500 shots a day). Turner won't be Kobe or Lebron but who is. I think we can expect a player at the level of Brandon Roy, Mitch Richmond ,and Reggie Miller. None of those players played above the rim but were very successfull in the NBA. Thats the type of career I think turner will have.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Mareese Speights also equals Jamarcus Russell.

[Sixersftw]

except Mo wasn't a top 10 pick like Cousins will be.

[F-Stop]

First time poster (that I can remember) long time lurker.

He has a ton of talent and a ton of tools but there are a ton of red flags. Great players in the NBA have a killer insticnt. If he isn't motivated now to get in shape (second most body fat among prospects at the combined) what going to happen after he signs and gets older.

Draft Tuner and don't even think about making a trade. People who are comparing Turner to Iggy don't know basketball. Turner's handle allows him to get anywhere he wants on the court and he has the desire to be great and is willing to work for it (making not shooting 500 shots a day). Turner won't be Kobe or Lebron but who is. I think we can expect a player at the level of Brandon Roy, Mitch Richmond ,and Reggie Miller. None of those players played above the rim but were very successfull in the NBA. Thats the type of career I think turner will have.

I don't see Cousins in that fashion at all. (Jamarcus Russell)
Russell is the exception not the norm. Sure Cousins has red flags. Excessive weight can lead to nagging foot problems and so forth and so on but Turner has flags also. Specifically his game.
What if Turners shot deosen't get better and he is stuck at 17ft and in. At the NBA level the things he did on the court don't translate nearly as well as what he did in college. He will not rebound at nearly the same level. The guys guarding him wil be bigger than 6'3 180lbs. His handles and his supposed average athleticism will not let him get past players of similar size and weight.
The problem is not really him, moreso it is the current construction of the team. The roster is full of players with iso skills and no one knows how to cut too the basket. Iggy is much more powerful than Turner so he has a drive to the basket to rely on. Turner will have to pull up and everyone knows this. When Turner drives and the defense reacts guys will get open looks but just like Iggy there is no consistent threat from the outside that can play heavy minutes in tandem with Turner.
The 76ers should be very good in transition but when the playoffs arrive half-court basketball usually dominates.

Cousins provides us with a different option on offense. There aren't many back to the basket players in the league and you have to take a chance. To use a football equivalent.. Be Brett Favre not Donovan Mcnabb. Brett 3times the TD's = 3times the interceptions but he got a ring.

[bmyers3317]

I have watched every game Turner played in the last 2 years and I respectfully disagree. He reminds me of a young Penny Hardaway with more determination. Wade, Lebron and Kobe all had suspect jump shots when they entered the league (Only comparing their jumpers). He has already started to work on his jumper and he wasn't a bad shotter in the first place (see sophmore year) he could go by guys because of his great haddle so why settle for the J. I love that mentality. Plus, now that he is a pro he gets to work on his craft 24/7 and he will because thats the type of kid he is. He wants to be great and is willing to work for it and thats the key. Willing to WORK for it. Derrick Coleman and Glenn Robinson had all the talent in the world but never reached their pontential for the same reason Cousins won't reach his.

[Phillyboy]

I'm not so sure if comparing Cousins to Russell is completely fair since Cousins hasn't had the chance to underacheive at the pro level yet.

However, we all know there are busts in the NBA and many times it has to do with poor work ethic, lack of conditioning, immaturity or a combination of the 3 and Cousins does indeed show signs that he could be in this category.

Because of that potential I might pass on him if I were a GM with pick 3 or 4.

[F-Stop]

I have watched every game Turner played in the last 2 years and I respectfully disagree. He reminds me of a young Penny Hardaway with more determination. Wade, Lebron and Kobe all had suspect jump shots when they entered the league (Only comparing their jumpers). He has already started to work on his jumper and he wasn't a bad shotter in the first place (see sophmore year) he could go by guys because of his great haddle so why settle for the J. I love that mentality. Plus, now that he is a pro he gets to work on his craft 24/7 and he will because thats the type of kid he is. He wants to be great and is willing to work for it and thats the key. Willing to WORK for it. Derrick Coleman and Glenn Robinson had all the talent in the world but never reached their pontential for the same reason Cousins won't reach his.

Whoa!!! - Pump the brakes
Cousins will be a pro also..he gets to work on his craft 24/7. Why wont he do the same things.. You have seen 100 Turner games and have watched him grow from 2nd option to 1st.
Cousins has played in 40games and didn't get the playing time Turner/Wall was getting during the 1st 20. As the season progressed he became 2nd option surpassing Patterson and with the increase in minutes his productivity increased as well. When I look at look at that situation I see a hard worker. You don't surpass a Patrick Patterson on talent alone. Penny Hardaway was far more talented than Turner. Kobe and Lebron are on a level Turner probably will never achieve. I never said Turner was a bad shooter. I said it appears due to his 3yr college stint that he lacks range similar to Ron Mercer (17ft and in). When has Cousins been like Derrick Coleman. You never seen him sub himself in or out. You never seen him sit for an extended amount of time with a Quad contusion.

Side Note - Glenn Robinson was a 6'7ft PF with a jumpshot bad attitude & bad ankles. He ostracized himself with comments like "I should be the 1st 100mil player". He was never given foul calls and played for a small market Franchise.

[bmyers3317]

Ron Mercer couldn't dribble to save his life.....hahahahahaha....have you watched Turner?
Glenn Robinson and Derrick Coleman were studs in college, thats what I am reffering to. Ron Mercer?....Ron Mercer?....Really? Come on.

[F-Stop]

Ron Mercer couldn't dribble to save his life.....hahahahahaha....have you watched Turner?
Glenn Robinson and Derrick Coleman were studs in college, thats what I am reffering to. Ron Mercer?....Ron Mercer?....Really? Come on.

Your right Mercer couldn't dribble and still was at #6. He and Walker took that team to the championship, Derrick Anderson had a bad knee that is why they lost. Also Mercer was able to leave a year earlier than Turner. What if he stayed the extra year? What kind of crazy stats would he have gotten. I can say the same about Thad. G-tech w Thad/Crittendon/Favors/Lawai. I was talking about his shooting range. Both are great at the mid-range but (Mercer) drastically fell off from distance. Mercer never got consistent from deep. Turner deos not have top flight speed how is he gonna get his J off against other 2's in the league? 76ers barley know how to set screens so how deos he get open. Without pick-setters and a high level of athleticism all the handles in the world won't get him past avg defenders at the NBA level. To get the most out of Turner we would have to trade/release at least 7guys on the team. He ain't that good.

[bmyers3317]

You are wrong on so many levels. I am donedebating with you. listen to what PRO SCOUTS say about turner in this article.

One scout who is skeptical of Wall believes Turner should be ranked as his peer. "Wall and Turner are Nos. 1 and 1a. Turner is going to be an All-Star. I have great faith in that. His size, his approach, his style of game -- all are suited to the pros

Evan Turner-you could put him at the point and, if he refines his skills, you could wind up with a guy who is bigger and tougher than Brandon Roy -- like Brandon Roy on steroids, a beast. Now, part of Roy's beauty is that he never tries to do what he can't do, he plays within himself and he's a smart player. This kid is like Roy unleashed, so watch out because he plays on emotion and he can be his own worst enemy. No matter what, he's not going to slip far because of all that talent."

The other two scouts fully endorse Turner as a top pick. "He's a point guard in our league, or a point-forward. He has the ball in his hands for Ohio State 90 percent of the time. He's strong, he can really, really pass, he's a great rebounder and he's tough. He's not a great shooter, but he can score 20 a night on tip-ins and mid-range jump shots. Why shoot threes if no one is able to stop him from 15 feet and in? If he works at it -- and everything I'm told is that he has a great work ethic -- he can learn to make enough threes and become a great player. He's a monster."

Added the fourth scout: "He has personality, charisma, he's a big guard who has no fear driving to the basket. He has to improve his outside shot, but he can do anything on the floor



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bmyers3317
Look I enjoy debating with you.. I'm just looking for answers. Every year someone says this years guy is even better than last years guy. Somebody has to be wrong.
Remember Mike Bibby coming out? Now look at his career and tell me he was worth the 1st pick (I know he was 2nd) .. It is not an argument thing just the pointing of facts and trying to figure out what/how things are said.
I didn't mean to be offensive if you took it that way. I just see how the team is constructed (IMO) and question why should we take this guy if we can only tap into 65% of his potential.
He has Handles but the Lane will be closed because we don't have players with J's to respect. He will pass too these guys with suspect J's and they will do what with the ball? The other players were the Man on there teams or freshman/sophmores when they got here. They don't even know how to set screens. I'm sure you've seen Dalembert get called for O-fouls all the time because he cannot set.

[bmyers3317]

I hear you buddy. I just think his combination of skill and work ethic makes him a much safer pick than the other options. I want to keep the pick and trade whoever can get us more in return between Thad and Iggy.

[93 Phillies]

F-Stop, I agree about the players that were the man and can't set screens, but Turner does all that dirty work as well as be the man. That's what we want and need. Everyone is on our team is disposable for sake of chemistry with Turner as far as I'm concerned. In terms of hierarchy in building our team, I say it's
1. This year's #2 pick which will most likely be Turner, unless we make a trade
2a. Jrue Holiday
2b. Andre Iguodala

some combination of those three will need to learn how to shoot though unless we get Okur