With the 3rd pick the Nets select...(poll)

[jerseyjac]

I'm not a fan of the decision to draft somebody because of a need/fit argument.

I think it is important we take the best player available, regardless of fit.

Finally, we're definitely on the same page Orecchio...

[BigSlam]

Greg Monroe though! Whew! Dude looked fantastic.

As soon as the Nets landed the #3 pick I posted:

"I really think Monroe would be a wonderful fit in Jersey. Lopez needs room down low to go to work. Last thing he would want is to clog the paint by putting a PF next to him who can only score in close (see: Favors, Cousins, Davis) taking up all his room. Monroe can play the high post and has an offensive game outside of 5ft. Not only that, but the Nets weren't exactly the highest BBIQ team last season and Monroe would help to lift that. He would promote ball movement and be a great compliment to Lopez, Harris and T.Will."

IMO if you guys did some how land LeBron Monroe would be an awesome PF to surround him with due to his very, very high BBIQ.

[old rem]

vc4p, I'll be the first to give feedback on your comparison, as I've been interested in doing that as well.

All I can say is I hope I maintain my sanity for the 40 or so days before the draft. This talk of selecting Favors or (shame on you, Thorn) Aminu hurts my brain, and the rationale for it just inexcusable.

First and foremost, DERRICK FAVORS IS NOT A TRUE PF. No way, no how, not today, not next year, NEVER. He is an uptempo C a la Horford, but not as smart as a defender nor as skilled offensively. Obviously, his finishing ability is special, but he cannot operate efficiently outside of 6 feet. Either he or Brook will suffer because both of them belong in the low post.

DeMarcus could have a long and prosperous career at the pivot with his size and skill, but he IS a PF. He's a rare one, with the size/strength/length/speed/skill combination to literally overwhelm anyone at the position. To boot, he may have as much skill as a ball-handler and passer as any forward in the draft, Wes Johnson and Darington Hobson included. OMG, I'm on a time crunch, but I will continue this rant later...

Yeah...I'd been baffled about Favors getting hyped up all the way to #3 pick. I mean he looks athletic and has a couple of highlight dunks per game but needed a surge to just get his avg up to 13 ppg..
Somebody will be placing a high stakes bet he catches up to Udoh, who's a better player now.
I especially would worry Favors shows no ability away from the rim. At #3 you SHOULD have some J,some handles. Maybe I just missed the game where he showcased but Lawal was a better player when I did see Ga Tech.

Cousins, I think is gonna be a C,which is where NJ is set. My main concern with him is conditioning and focus. He may bloat to 290 and/or be a pain in the ass for a coach, but his instincts are good,if his skills are a bit raw. As a PF? Cousins MIGHT do very well overall. I don't think his lateral quicks are good for PF,but then again,he tops Yi in that. It could work. Wes Johnson will be very tempting,perhaps the best fit,but I think NJ takes Cousins now and worries about the details later.

[ecuhus1981]

True, true, true and true with the last four posts.

I like Monroe, but if our FO wants him, we'd better trade down for him. I can't see him going above #7, and DET will most likely pick Aldrich, who is a pure C and an overall better defensive presence, over Greg.

[60cent]

Very good analysis from everyone. Although, im a huge fan of Monroe, i dont think he's the guy we needed. Yeah, he's a great teammate, he can pass and everything but we definitely need a guy who can score on his own. Im sorry but i dont buy the whole "we need someone who's not gonna clog the lane for Lopez" thing, in fact, we need someone who's gonna clog the lane more, always aim for someone better. And i think if we let Lopez be our main guy in there alone then we're in real danger. Monroe is a good passer but there's no one to pass it to. My main concern with him is his consistency. And i think our mentality should be based on another player helping Lopez inside than another player whos not gonna do anything but pass the ball and shoot outside. We should worry about him being another softie on a soft team.

Many fans denies the comparison between Lopez and a player like Duncan but they always treat him like he's gonna be that player. Im not trashing Lopez, please dont get me wrong, but before we hand him the throne let us be sure first of what he really can do. He's is still young in this league and i think he deserves more time to really elevate himself. (i just dont want him to become the next David Wright... Yeah, im down on him right now).

For me, the question would be more like, "what if Cousins shows that he can become a better player than Lopez?"

[SteveNets15]

I like the toughness and size that Cousins brings to this team.I'm sick of all the easy layups and dunks on our softass front court,maybe he can be the guy to change that.We have 82 games next season to experiment with different lineups,its not like we're gonna be playing for a championship next season.Hopefully they bring in the right coach and staff to develop these kids together.Proky should throw some money at Pat Ewing, we can use a good big man coach on the staff.

on offense
Devin/Dooling/2nd rnd pick
Lee/M.Miller
Twill/CDR/Hayes
Brook/Yi/Humphries
Cousins/Dallas pick

on defense
Devin/Dooling/2nd rnd pick
Lee/M.Miller
Twill/CDR/Hayes
Cousins/Yi/Humphries
Brook/Dallas pick

[S.I.C. GM]

I like the toughness and size that Cousins brings to this team.I'm sick of all the easy layups and dunks on our softass front court,maybe he can be the guy to change that.We have 82 games next season to experiment with different lineups,its not like we're gonna be playing for a championship next season.Hopefully they bring in the right coach and staff to develop these kids together.Proky should throw some money at Pat Ewing, we can use a good big man coach on the staff.

on offense
Devin/Dooling/2nd rnd pick
Lee/M.Miller
Twill/CDR/Hayes
Brook/Yi/Humphries
Cousins/Dallas pick

on defense
Devin/Dooling/2nd rnd pick
Lee/M.Miller
Twill/CDR/Hayes
Cousins/Yi/Humphries
Brook/Dallas pick

Doesnt the fact that he is overweight concern you? The kid is young. if he plays basketball every day, there is no reason for him to be over weight. Unless 5 Super Sized Big Mac Meals arent enough for him.

[jerseyjac]

I like the toughness and size that Cousins brings to this team.I'm sick of all the easy layups and dunks on our softass front court,maybe he can be the guy to change that.We have 82 games next season to experiment with different lineups,its not like we're gonna be playing for a championship next season.Hopefully they bring in the right coach and staff to develop these kids together.Proky should throw some money at Pat Ewing, we can use a good big man coach on the staff.

on offense
Devin/Dooling/2nd rnd pick
Lee/M.Miller
Twill/CDR/Hayes
Brook/Yi/Humphries
Cousins/Dallas pick

on defense
Devin/Dooling/2nd rnd pick
Lee/M.Miller
Twill/CDR/Hayes
Cousins/Yi/Humphries
Brook/Dallas pick

Doesnt the fact that he is overweight concern you? The kid is young. if he plays basketball every day, there is no reason for him to be over weight. Unless 5 Super Sized Big Mac Meals arent enough for him.

you and E make like he is Oliver freaking Miller...come on...I have had no time to reply to E, but there are two similar conversations going on here and the other one is in the sticky Draft thread...

[S.I.C. GM]

Ok JJ. I will post over there.

He isnt Oliver miller but he is FAT.

[KnicksScholar24]

I went ahead and voted Favors.

I actually rewatched 2 GT games, a Kentucky game and a Georgetown game tonight.

How did you get video of the college games? Did you record them when they first aired because you knew the Nets were going to have a high pick?

[60cent]

I apologize JJ... J didnt mean to post this here... I was just gonna post something short in response to the great posts here but as i go along different thoughts started running around my mind and i felt like i had to share it to everyone... It's like when you go to the supermarket and only planned to buy some milk and bread then you ended up with $300 worth of groceries... You know what im talking about.

And using an iphone aint gonna help.

[Jersey Generals]

How did you get video of the college games? Did you record them when they first aired because you knew the Nets were going to have a high pick?

They were on ESPNU a few days ago. Good dig at the Nets, though, real subtle.

[vincecarter4pres]

I went ahead and voted Favors.

I actually rewatched 2 GT games, a Kentucky game and a Georgetown game tonight.

How did you get video of the college games? Did you record them when they first aired because you knew the Nets were going to have a high pick?

I have the Comcast sports package and some of the college sports channels just happened to air the following games all in the same day:
Big East Semi Finals - Georgetown / Marquette
SEC Title game - Kentucky / Mississippi State(Varnado looked awesome in that game too)
First round ACC Tourney - Georgia Tech / North Carolina

And then I decided to watch the Georgia Tech / Oklahoma State replay online on Yahoo, which pretty much sucked because the high def feed didn't work and the video quality was really poor.

BTW, I'm such a sicko I probably would have recorded certain college games to rewatch if I had DVR during the college season, but alas, I have just switched to a DVR box about a month ago.

Edit: ^^Beat me to it. Foiled again. Damn meddling kids!

[Jersey Generals]

Edit: ^^Beat me to it. Foiled again. Damn meddling kids!

Hey, Vince, have I ever showed you the documentary that was done about me and my dog? I don't think I have, but here's the opening to you, I hope you enjoy!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_C2HJvtRDY[/youtube]

[jerseyjac]

Ok JJ. I will post over there.

He isnt Oliver miller but he is FAT.

no doubt he has some extra padding..

I apologize JJ... J didnt mean to post this here... I was just gonna post something short in response to the great posts here but as i go along different thoughts started running around my mind and i felt like i had to share it to everyone... It's like when you go to the supermarket and only planned to buy some milk and bread then you ended up with $300 worth of groceries... You know what im talking about.

And using an iphone aint gonna help.

ahhh...no need to apologize...I was just letting you guys know...its all good...

[jerseyjac]

I went ahead and voted Favors.

I actually rewatched 2 GT games, a Kentucky game and a Georgetown game tonight.

I saw a lot of what would make Favors a great fit next to Brook along with a lot of what gives him so much potential and upside and I saw what would make Cousins a bad fit, but I also saw a lot I liked in general from them both, along with a lot of flaws, but these guys aren't being picked to come in and destroy the league their first year anyway.

Greg Monroe though! Whew! Dude looked fantastic. But as I watched this game, I am reminded the reason I am very skeptical on Monroe. He doesn't bring it every night. He looks flatout amazing one night, like a rich man's Pau and then the very next game he looks like a poor man's Wilcox. So friggin' inconsistent.
If he continues to improve and ever gets it together mentally though, he'll be the best big out of this draft. He does it all and his defense is really good to boot. Lateral quicks like a mug too, switching off onto guards and keeping up. The passing is just nuts and he can run the floor on the break, or lead it. He can post up. He can shoot from outside. He can face up. He operates high post, low post. It's just crazy. He does play below the rim and his suspect explosion is going to hinder him at the next level though, make no mistake about it.
He shows a lot of passion during the game though, which I like to see.

If the asset we get to move down is nice enough, I wonder if it's worth the risk? Hmm...

Just for the record, today I also voted for Favors = low risk, high reward...though I will still make an arguement for Cousins, who I think some people are sleeping on...(i just dont want a SWIll scenario nor do I want a project turned ugly messing with our locker room)...tough pass though...

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah, I wonder when Cousins starts feeling his oats if he is going to start beef with Brook or management, on some, "It's me or Brook, this town ain't big enough for the both of us", nonsense? I doubt it, but it has to be a concern.
Then again, he coexisted with Patterson.
I don't know man, he's so damn talented, but such a fat ass.

I actually tend to like his attitude and personality though. He's tough, has a serious fire and passion, expects to be good, expects to improve and pulls no punches. Yes he's immature, but the dude is only 19 years old and has mainly been handed everything most his life and likely has been surrounded by "yes men" until Coach Cal, which he basically admitted to. Hell, he called himself a work in progress in that one interview. What really scares me about him is his weight and the question if he will be able to guard power forwards.


Favors on the other hand sounds like he could be confused by a jar of peanut butter and get lost in a one bedroom apartment. Maybe he's just nervous and shy, but I'm saying. He's seems like the type of guy to have a deep conversation with a vending machine.


I'm really starting to warm up to the idea of trading down for Monroe if the asset coming back is strong enough to justify it, but then his lack of explosiveness on the blocks scares me.
He's so all around talented though, he really improved a lot this season and I think the lack of a mean streak is overstated, because he really shows a lot of positive emotion and passion out there, leaving it all on the floor, but then at times he is semi-invisible.
Is it the Georgetown system?
Or is it his personality?
Maybe a combination of the two?
Sigh...


You know, there are rarely the quote, unquote, "perfect prospect", especially at the 3rd overall pick, but there is one big time glaring weakness with all three of these guys.

So confusing.


Maybe we actually should consider trading the pick for LaMarcus Aldridge if there is really any credence to that rumor.

But any team with LMA as the second option will never be a contender, IMO.
Even though he's a really good fit on offense next to Lopez, he's a terrible rebounder.
Even though he's an average to solid defender, he isn't great and his shot blocking has slowly but surely dived into a dark ugly place, that being a legit 6'10er averaging less then a block per game. That's kind of scary if you ask me.
He's on a decent contract and he's still young, but he's already viewed as somewhat soft and by many he's viewed as a mostly finished product.

Eh, maybe Turner will fall to us and then this is all a moot point, you never know...