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Re: My "Dream" Off-Season 

Post#21 » by The J Rocka » Tue May 25, 2010 3:43 am

Just an idea, one more time.

Trade Love + 16 for 3
Trade Pekovic + 23 for 13

(^^same thinking Krap)

Big Al/Darko
Favors/Amir Johnson
W. Johnson/Kleiza
Brewer/P. George
Rubio/Flynn
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Re: My "Dream" Off-Season 

Post#22 » by Esohny » Tue May 25, 2010 3:50 am

J_Era_3 wrote:Just an idea, one more time.

Trade Love + 16 for 3
Trade Pekovic + 23 for 13

(^^same thinking Krap)

Big Al/Darko
Favors/Amir Johnson
W. Johnson/Kleiza
Brewer/P. George
Rubio/Flynn


Now that outcome I would be pretty psyched about. But Amir Johnson? Kleiza?
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Re: My "Dream" Off-Season 

Post#23 » by Krapinsky » Tue May 25, 2010 4:01 am

J_Era_3 wrote:Just an idea, one more time.

Trade Love + 16 for 3
Trade Pekovic + 23 for 13

(^^same thinking Krap)

Big Al/Darko
Favors/Amir Johnson
W. Johnson/Kleiza
Brewer/P. George
Rubio/Flynn


I can definitely roll with this, but like Esohny I'd question the Kleiza and A. Johnson acquisitions. You're wasting a lot of cap dollars on those acquisitions for players that aren't going to play much at all. If we're competing for a championship, then that's fine, but not now, when we're grooming young players and worked so hard to get under the cap.

In that lineup you would expect Johnson to get Hollins minutes -- < 10 min per game. As for Kleiza, I think he's good, but I think he's more of a stretch four these days than a three. As a 3, his game resembles Gomes' in a lot of ways. So your basically cutting Gomes and paying him $3M over four years for the right to sign a very similar player. You'd also have Ellington who has shown that he can be a very solid bench player and since Brewer and George are likely able to play minutes at the three down the road you really don't need to waste the dollars on Kleiza.
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Re: My "Dream" Off-Season 

Post#24 » by The J Rocka » Tue May 25, 2010 4:01 am

Esohny wrote:
J_Era_3 wrote:Just an idea, one more time.

Trade Love + 16 for 3
Trade Pekovic + 23 for 13

(^^same thinking Krap)

Big Al/Darko
Favors/Amir Johnson
W. Johnson/Kleiza
Brewer/P. George
Rubio/Flynn


Now that outcome I would be pretty psyched about. But Amir Johnson? Kleiza?


If you look at Amir's stats, he played some solid basketball, good backup, worth a shot. Kleiza provides pure shooting off the bench if/when our starters can't shoot. Short-term contracts, I was thinking Tony Allen but im sure C's will re-sign him.
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Re: My "Dream" Off-Season 

Post#25 » by The J Rocka » Tue May 25, 2010 4:03 am

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J_Era_3 wrote:Just an idea, one more time.

Trade Love + 16 for 3
Trade Pekovic + 23 for 13

(^^same thinking Krap)

Big Al/Darko
Favors/Amir Johnson
W. Johnson/Kleiza
Brewer/P. George
Rubio/Flynn


I can definitely roll with this, but like Esohny I'd question the Kleiza and A. Johnson acquisitions. You're wasting a lot of cap dollars on those acquisitions for players that aren't going to play much at all. If we're competing for a championship, then that's fine, but not now, when we're grooming young players and worked so hard to get under the cap.

In that lineup you would expect Johnson to get Hollins minutes -- < 10 min per game. As for Kleiza, I think he's good, but I think he's more of a stretch four these days than a three. As a 3, his game resembles Gomes' in a lot of ways. So your basically cutting Gomes and paying him $3M over four years for the right to sign a very similar player. You'd also have Ellington who has shown that he can be a very solid bench player and since Brewer and George are likely able to play minutes at the three down the road you really don't need to waste the dollars on Kleiza.


Yea good points. Maybe we don't really need to go after many FAs then, just build through draft. Save our money for 2011.
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Re: My "Dream" Off-Season 

Post#26 » by Esohny » Tue May 25, 2010 4:05 am

I just don't think that we'd have any playing time for either player, so it wouldn't be worth paying them. As the former Dr. mentioned, Brewer, Gomes, Hollins, and Ellington are still here too. I think those guys can take the deep bench minutes, and won't cost anything extra.
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Re: My "Dream" Off-Season 

Post#27 » by Krapinsky » Tue May 25, 2010 4:07 am

J_Era_3 wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:
J_Era_3 wrote:Just an idea, one more time.

Trade Love + 16 for 3
Trade Pekovic + 23 for 13

(^^same thinking Krap)

Big Al/Darko
Favors/Amir Johnson
W. Johnson/Kleiza
Brewer/P. George
Rubio/Flynn


I can definitely roll with this, but like Esohny I'd question the Kleiza and A. Johnson acquisitions. You're wasting a lot of cap dollars on those acquisitions for players that aren't going to play much at all. If we're competing for a championship, then that's fine, but not now, when we're grooming young players and worked so hard to get under the cap.

In that lineup you would expect Johnson to get Hollins minutes -- < 10 min per game. As for Kleiza, I think he's good, but I think he's more of a stretch four these days than a three. As a 3, his game resembles Gomes' in a lot of ways. So your basically cutting Gomes and paying him $3M over four years for the right to sign a very similar player. You'd also have Ellington who has shown that he can be a very solid bench player and since Brewer and George are likely able to play minutes at the three down the road you really don't need to waste the dollars on Kleiza.


Yea good points. Maybe we don't really need to go after many FAs then, just build through draft. Save our money for 2011.


Yeah I think there are two logical routes -- 1) take on salary for a year to acquire assets, 2) use the space to acquire a young proven, but highly paid wing, i.e. Deng, Iggy, Ellis
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Re: My "Dream" Off-Season 

Post#28 » by LOBO 7 » Tue May 25, 2010 5:07 am

Krapinsky wrote:
J_Era_3 wrote:Just an idea, one more time.

Trade Love + 16 for 3
Trade Pekovic + 23 for 13

(^^same thinking Krap)

Big Al/Darko
Favors/Amir Johnson
W. Johnson/Kleiza
Brewer/P. George
Rubio/Flynn


I can definitely roll with this, but like Esohny I'd question the Kleiza and A. Johnson acquisitions. You're wasting a lot of cap dollars on those acquisitions for players that aren't going to play much at all. If we're competing for a championship, then that's fine, but not now, when we're grooming young players and worked so hard to get under the cap.

In that lineup you would expect Johnson to get Hollins minutes -- < 10 min per game. As for Kleiza, I think he's good, but I think he's more of a stretch four these days than a three. As a 3, his game resembles Gomes' in a lot of ways. So your basically cutting Gomes and paying him $3M over four years for the right to sign a very similar player. You'd also have Ellington who has shown that he can be a very solid bench player and since Brewer and George are likely able to play minutes at the three down the road you really don't need to waste the dollars on Kleiza.


I agree that in my dreams we get both Johnson and George, along with one of Favors or Cousins.

I see it as basically 2 "situations" we need to sort out: wings and bigmen. With wings, we have a shortage right now but have many many options in this draft. With bigmen we have a lot of mismatched talent and value, and, well, many many options in this draft.

I think the wings puzzle is a lot easier to put together than the bigmen puzzle.

Wings puzzle= get Johnson and George to pair with Brewer (and maybe a stronger, defensive-minded back-up in free agency?)

Bigmen puzzle= well, first of all we need to decide which one of Love/Al we want to keep, whether we want Cousins or want to try to get Favors, whether we want Darko to come back, whether Pekovic will fit with whoever we do decide to get/keep, etc. It was difficult enough when it was just a debate over whether to keep Al or Love, now it is exponentially more complicated. Basically we need to look at all the potential pieces:

Al, Love, Darko, Pekovic, Hollins, Cousins/Favors

and decide which 4 (or three of these and another 4th big) we think would compliment each other and the rest of the team best, which is just a very difficult and important decision no matter how you look at it. I'm all over the place in my thoughts on this bigman puzzle, that's for sure. And because we'll have to use some of these bigmen as assets to make sure our Wings puzzle gets put together, we probably have to figure out the bigman puzzle first.

Wow, this offseason is gonna be crazy as s%#t. If you don't like difficult decisions, this dram offseason could turn into a nightmare pretty quick. Honestly, I'm driving myself crazy already thinking about all the possible options.
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Re: My "Dream" Off-Season 

Post#29 » by JohnHenryMeyer » Tue May 25, 2010 8:04 am

Don't you think this is a little overkill? Some questions pop into my head..

Why are we paying Anthony Morrow 4/$12mil to be 3rd string?
What kind of offense are you hoping we run with this team?
If its the current offense, how does iggy and young fit? I think they are bad shooters.
If we are trading for the #5 pick, are you really drafting Wes Johnson to play behind Thad Young? And if Johnson is gonna be the starter, than why give up so much for Thad Young?
And then once you decide this, you want Carmelo to come to MIN in 2011?
What exactly about Sherron Collins reminds you of Ty Lawson?
If SAC wanted to trade that pick, dont you think they could find a better offer than that?

I think this is exactly what you said it was 'a dream'..I dont find it very realistic or even a good fit...there are parts of it that would work well, but this looks like an NBA 2K10 roster where free agents, and prospects won't complain too much about playing 5 mins a game on a stacked roster... ]


Thank you for your numerous criticisms, thinking about this more I would take Young out of the deal and offer Big AL straightup. Then Anthony Morrow can play the appropraite minutes. And hey if you want to scrap the Sacramento deal, which really is just a dream deal, thats fine with me - I was hesitant on it anyways
- Sherron Collins reminds me of Ty Lawson for the following reasons: short, quick, underrated, older, black, point guard, very good in college, not raved about pre-draft.
-Carmelo in 2011 was simply an option if the Wolves do nothing with their cap room. The whole article is called a dream in the first place (duh) its not really going to happen (duh)

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PG- Flynn, Sessions
SG - Brewer, Morrow, Ellington
SF - Igoudala, George
PF - Love, Pekovic
C - Cousins, Darko, Hollins
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Re: My "Dream" Off-Season 

Post#30 » by shangrila » Tue May 25, 2010 11:05 am

I have to ask, why does anyone think Pekovic can play power forward? The guy is built like a brick. There's no way he can chase around the Lewis' and Gasols

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