2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

[vincecarter4pres]

I hate the way this kid pronounces his name, but he's an interesting prospect...

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That left handed J is just pretty... Good interview too.

[vincecarter4pres]

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Meet Terrico White. Candidate for the 27th overall pick, although I think he might wind up moving up to between the very late teens and the early twenties, so a trade up could be necessary, but I don't see that as a problem for whoever we target, I imagine we will be looking to package CDR with one of the later picks to simply move up just a few spots if we really like someone late.

Hyper athletic with a sweet stroke and decent handles, he has good height, length and is in remarkable physical shape. Still young at 20 years old with a lot of upside.
He's somewhat of a ball hog and didn't take his team much of anywhere.
Not a top prospect by any means, but he could be a nice bench player down the road and an instant offense spark plug from the jump.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Terrico-White-5689/

[AkelaLoneWolf]

hey nets fans,
how about this trade?
3rd pick + T-Will for S&T Bosh.

Still leaves you with enough room to sign LBJ

Should be more enticing of a lineup for him...
Harris/?/?Lebron/Bosh/Lopez
def better than lineup in Chicago

[Jersey Generals]

I hate the way this kid pronounces his name, but he's an interesting prospect...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z8-n68XmSI[/youtube]

That left handed J is just pretty... Good interview too.

Yes, Vince, good, come over to the dark side. I knew you'd see it my way; the force is strong with you.

[vincecarter4pres]

hey nets fans,
how about this trade?

Ugh. These guys are like roaches...

[vincecarter4pres]

I hate the way this kid pronounces his name, but he's an interesting prospect...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z8-n68XmSI[/youtube]

That left handed J is just pretty... Good interview too.

Yes, Vince, good, come over to the dark side. I knew you'd see it my way; the force is strong with you.

Haha. I don't have anything against him, except the stupid way he pronounces his name of course, just not sure how we could land him, but you never know.

[Jersey Generals]

I don't see how we could. I think he would be great on this team, though, especially if we were to get Lebron (we won't).

[SpeedyG]

I hate the way this kid pronounces his name, but he's an interesting prospect...

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That left handed J is just pretty... Good interview too.

Ron Mercer with range?

[AkelaLoneWolf]

hey nets fans,
how about this trade?

Ugh. These guys are like roaches...

no need to call names.
a simple no would have sufficed.

[jeff1624]

[vincecarter4pres]

Ron Mercer with range?

Michael Finley Lite mixed with Dan Marjerle, IMO.

[vincecarter4pres]

hey nets fans,
how about this trade?

Ugh. These guys are like roaches...

no need to call names.
a simple no would have sufficed.

Ball.

[vincecarter4pres]

Figured I should give this guy a little love...

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[enetric]

Speaking of Greg Monroe, how do you feel about him E?

I am not 100% on where i see him yet...but I like him. He moves the ball well, really recognizes the double team. I like left handed bigs, present some matchup issues defensively for the other team.

Other than ft shooting...reminds me of a Brad Miller type offensively. But, as that he isnt a banger...in the NBA he MUST get more comfortable taking those midrange shots. I mean, if you are a big and you arent going to draw double teams you have to be a space creator by taking those shos without thinking. Kind of like Nenad did from 15-20 when he started progressing. Offensively, even though he isnt as impressive individually as Cousins, he would help us. Defensively, not an ideal fit either. I mean lets face it. Brook is great...but you know what he is, and what he isnt.

And I am not advocating only adding guys who fit Brook. But, I do think when chosing between guys who would play PF or C, you should look at it. If a case is overwhelming...just make your move....but in this draft class I dont think there is an overwhelming candidate to make me think we should be factoring in fit among the bigs. Turner is there...we take him...no other conversation necessary for me.

But among bigs? Hey....I think we are going to have a better shot at landing a free agent big than anything else. Why not offer David Lee 13 mil right out of the gate if you can get rid of Humprhies? We would still have the cap room to offer the max deal to Lebron...and we would take the Nix sign and trade option away from them as well as taking Lee away from them as a back up plan. I say all of this because lets face it. Lee isnt very good at guarding quick 4's or big 5's and isnt the ideal fit with Brook...but you woul drather have Lee at 13 mil and KEEP Devin rather than pay Bosh 17mil plus the extra 30 mil over 6 losing Devin in a sign and trade wouldnt you? So there are scenarios where fit goes out the window.

Did I answer the question...lol? I like Monroe and wouldnt be shocked to see him climb up the board after interviews and workouts. But as of now...I like Favors by far the most among bigs and each day I like him just a bit more as I read so many good things from those in the know.

[enetric]

I could see him going at 8 to the Clips.

Other than the top 2 talents in this draft plus Wes Johnson, tthe lottery will be big man dominant so I get why you like him. Not a lot of quality wing players in this draft. But, I see some issues at the NBA level which could take him a few years to work out.

First off, not a self creator so playing the 3 in the NBA very tough for him. Defenively, as well...doesnt have the build to bang with the current NBA SF. Can he stay with 2 guards on D? the knock on him is that he plys very straight up...stiff. Cant do that at his height against 2 guards at the NBA level.

For us? I mean hell...we sure could use some more shooters. But I dont think he would surpass Lee or TWill on the depth chart anytime soon if that is what you are thinking. If your interest is depth related? Sure...I can see that. Thanks for the videos...I was getting tired of scouting all these bigs.

[enetric]

Figured I should give this guy a little love...

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If Minny cant trade up to 2...unless Cousins wows them....I think Wes goes to them. From there Cousins could drop a bit more.

[enetric]

You know...I have been racking my brains as to what makes the most sense now that we know we arent getting Wall.

I had my game plan. Get Wall, and then deal Devin in one of two ways. Either dump him for cap space plus fill another position with a cheaper alternative like a Marc Gasol, or future picks. Then go for Lebron plus one other max star. Or, just use Devin as part of the S&T to get one of the two max guys. Done. Wall gave us a lot of flexibility and hopefully long term upside improvement at the PG spot over Devin.

Now that its done, I still feel we go 100% all out with how do we get Lebron, and the more I break it down...the more that Lee comment I made before keeps coming back to me.

Sure, I think Lebron would prefer to play with Wade or Bosh as his number two if we can make that happen...and if we can, awesome. But, if the only way to get one of them is S&T...especially if its Bosh...or worse Amare or Boozer, are we better off paying so much more in talent and in salary than going hard after Lee for a few mil less? I mean, sure someone else might offer Lee a max deal if they think they have no shot at the top tier guys but they think they get him. OKC should go hard after Lee if you ask me day 1. No shot at landing a top tier guy to that market but why not Lee?

Anyway, this has become my currenty mode of thinking. If Wade says no thanks as Lebron is considering his options...why not go after him, keep Devin, and enough cash left for one maxed offer that will hopefully be Lebron this year or Melo next?

It really seems to me this might be our best move. Lee wants to stay in this area and the Knicks are going to let him dangle...unless of course Bosh says yes ASAP to them and Lee is willing to go to Toronto.

As for my Amare comment...if Amare is there for us as a straight signing right away fine. But I have some Amare fears as it is with him as a maxed guy. Certainly dont want to have to lose assets just for the right to give him the extra year and an additional 30 mil.

[vincecarter4pres]

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I really like this kid. He oozes confidence without coming off as cocky.

[jerseyjac]

I dunno E, I think Rod might like Cousins ...again you dont have to sell me on Favors, I know the differences, I've read the measurements...I'm still on the fence, probably will be for the next week...

As much as you think Cousins cant guard PFs now, in couple of years this guy may possibly be able to defend the majority of big men he's facing any night...(not guy. .ard, just to define the words as I use them...Defend is the ability to cover the player at the position he is playing, hence, Cousins should be able to defend the PF position., meaning slow that player down, maybe alter some shots, probably in some situations he'll need weakside help, ect... guard is the ability to defend any player at PF/C, check that player straight up and hopefully be able to stop them from scoring more times than not...semantics yes, but I want to be clear on what I mean) There is no doubting Favors is the better defender, but Cousins is probably the better rebounder...and you cannot deny his production/minutes...

Lets not get fixated on the now...My biggest issue with fans breaking down any draft class, is how they tend to look at the now, specifically when talking about the top picks in the draft...set aside all the bull about Cousins...

With a top 10 pick, you must evaluate any potential, considering the ability to improve and to progress over their rookie contract...Most of the time we're talking about improving a shot, getting better on the defensive end or becoming more physically fit/faster or increasing mobility (there are obviously other areas)

In addition, a known elementary fact when scouting, is understanding when a collegiate basketball player goes from the college ranks to the pros, there is a huge transition to get any player into NBA shape...

With both, Cousins 19yrs old who will turn 20 in Aug. and Favors who turns 19 in July, each have a lot of maturing to do physically...Fact is, they're bodys are still changing and maturing...both are going to be growing into their NBA body ...Obviously, its easier to put on weight as Favors needs to, but Cousins seems to know he has to shed some weight, add some more muscle and lateral quicknees to his game, specifically to improve his defense...

There is no denying Favors is the player which will most likely come in and fit best next to Brook now...but I'm not fixated on that...quite arguably, if we do pass on Cousins, we might be passing on the better potential at the #3 spot...Yeh, call him more of Center if you want, I just dont see a problem having potentially two centers starting for the Nets...Last thing to note figuratively speaking, if things didnt work out, and Cousins still did progress physically and defensively despite not complimenting a front court w/ Brook, Cousins still has excellent trade value with the right team...His ceiling as far as potential seems to be higher than Favors, its easier to committ to defense and learn to defend...on the other hand, you just cant teach offense, besides working on a shot, you either have the natural ability to score or you dont...Favors seems to be a dunker, in around the basket and its less likely for his offensive game to evolve...

A couple years down the road, I can see Cousins improving significantly everywhere...Favors ceiling or range on becoming a better overall player does not seem as great...

Remember what you see is NOT what you get, both players will take form over their rookie contract and you just cant make decision on who to pick by who is better for the Nets today...

When you add everything up its all about picking the best availabe player... Cousins has more potential, even as a below avg defender, but then there is more of a risk when drafting him due to certain mental or physical unknowns...Favors on the other hand, has a low risk, you know he's going to bulk up, he is more likley to compliment Brook's game now even though I do not feel his overall potential is as great as Cousins...

JJ I think you broke that about as backwards as you can get. Basing upside on the kid with the awful body athletically speaking who is more developed basketball wise and calling him the upside potential guy? HELL NO!

The upside guy is the vastly superior physical athlete who has a lean body but just needs the basic workouts and add normal mass as his body becomes a man. Cousins does not need to shed some weight. He needs to shed a life time of Big Macs and super size fries. This guy is NOT anywhere near being in the of shape you need to have at his age. He could diet and still not be anywhere capable of playing NBA minutes at a 24 second shot clock pace. No way can he guard the athletic 4's of the NBA 10 feet from the basket. He is an easy blow by or quick foul. And I am not convinced he will be the better rebounder either. See Eddy Curry. I think he could be a weakside shot blocker but not a guy who is going to take the guy with the ball in his hands and send him or the ball anywhere. He will either get blown by or have to foul at this size. he will be sucking wind in minutes.

Favors has to develop his game. get opportunities to do things on the court...but in the mean time he can give you hustle contribution. To me its clear he has the vastly higher upside as a player. I would argue this is Amare coming out of HS compared to Curry. Seeing the issues each faced in their development who would you prefer even if you didnt know how it turned out.

I am firmly looking at long term. If I were looking at the now as i think you clearly are without realizing it...I would be talking up the kid out of the big school with the big stats who was getting national attention all year, not the athletic kid who everyone says kicked the crap out of him head to head in HS.
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And lets go back to the what to improve physically over the long term again. When it comes to bigs...it is never about become more fit as in leaner or faster. its stamina and strength through muscle mass. Trying to add muscle mass when you have so much excess body fat is that much harder. And as you age into your 20's each year gets harder. Get into your late 20's and forget it. When you are younger you can eat anything. if you are already this awful fat % wise at such a young age it isn't going to get easier. he can drop weight...but it gets harder and harder.

Let me ask you. May, Big Baby, Stanley Roberts, Sweetney, Oliver Miller, Curry...guys we have seen who were really beefy high fat %
guys...Ever see ONE of them make impressive progress physically to become LEAN types after doing the workouts and playing the games? His body type and more importantly...the fact that he hasn't done something about it all year should be a massive red flag to you. If he could make major progress now at this age when he is playing for his first contract...why would you ever expect it after he GETS the contract?

As someone pointed out...he has only lost 5 pounds in the last month! At that size...one good poo and you lose 5 pounds that DAY!

One last thing. Two centers on the floor works in the NBA when its two athletes. Two guys who can step out and do some damage. TD/Robinson. Ha keem and Sampson. Two guys who cant guard any of the athletic 4's in the league will get in each others way. And offensively? Talk about a slow half court monotonous offense! it doesn't work. I always prefer drafting best talent not fit. But in this case I think Favors looks like the better long term talent, fit and everything else.

You know what? Lets she what things are said over the next few weeks. How he comes off in interviews...does he lose any weight before the draft. How his workouts go. Don't just listen to quotes...quotes this time of of year are always polite, no one wants to tip anyone off publicly as to where they are going. That was my point about Rod. he will compliment just about everyone.

You know who I am reminded of suddenly? Dwayne Schintzius. He was projected 1-3 the year he came out being talked about with DC and Payton as the top 3 prospects in that draft class. A good college player who had a big body and people felt he could be a stud center for years to come. By the time draft day came he fell all the way to 24. I am not saying that will happen...but I really wouldn't be shocked to see him drop. For guys like Monroe to go over him before its said and done. If he climbs...or stays high on mocks...great. Lets talk again about giving him more respect. But as of now? I dont like what I see from this kid. His key indicators look like a bad bet long term. So much so I am willing to ignore the short term obvious advantages his girth had on mostly guys who wont be playing pro ball EVER.

I spun it that way for a reason..I think the best comparison is a bigger Zach Randolph, from the weight/getting into nba shape to the so called attitude to the type of player they are...

When u dislike a player u tend to go off the deep end w/ exaggeration...big baby is phenomenal shape...dwayne, curry...come on...u think he has no skill, fine, but u haven't even touched on his game...or potential to be a player in this league...but have gone overboard a bit w/ cousins potential to suck...

U wanna pass on him because of the red flags, I agree, in the other thread I stated favors is my guy=low risk, high reward...
Wes johnson and others monroe, wake forest kid, all might get picked before demarcus...still think people are sleeping on him...

[vincecarter4pres]

I said it before and I'll say it again, if Cousins wasn't such a fat slob he'd likely be the consensus #1 overall pick or it would be a dead heat between Wall and him.