Chat with Chad Ford: Bynum/Bosh trade a good possiblity.

[Tofubeque]

If Bosh wants to leave, then Bynum is probably our best bet. BUT.....

If BC does aquire a center and move Bargs to PF, then it will be an admission of guilt by BC. An admission that he never actually tried to build around Bosh properly. Because if u wanted to build around Bosh properly, he would have gotten a decent center to play with him. (yes he got JO, who I thought fit well with Bosh, it was the guys that surrounded them that sucked) And now by moving our "center" Bargnani to power forward, he's admitting that Bargs wasn't a proper center next to Bosh.

BC lied this whole time. Almost every move he made was to placate Andrea, not Bosh. From loading this team with international players early on to make it easier on him, to firing Sam because he and Andrea did not see eye to eye, to way overpaying for Jose because it seemed like ha and Bargs had good chemistry the first 2 season, to trading away JO the minute Bargs showed marginal improvement, to resigning Triano just because Andrea seemed to like playing for him. It's all been about Bargs since day 1, not Bosh, and now the truth is finally revealed.

Wow. Are you serious? JO got shipped out because he didn't mesh with BOSH in the starting lineup. Triano was promoted from being BOSH's shootaround buddy. We went out and signed BOSH's college roommate.

And moving a player from one position to another isn't an "admission of guilt." The 5 and 4 positions are two of the most interchangeable in the NBA. The Spurs moving Tim Duncan to C after Robinson's retirement wasn't an admission they couldn't build around Robinson. The Lakers moving Gasol to C when Bynum is injured ins't an admission they have no faith in Bynum. Moving Andrea to PF would be the same as his initial move to starting C: an effort to get the best 5 players on the floor, regardless of matchups.

[ForeverTFC]

If Bosh wants to leave, then Bynum is probably our best bet. BUT.....

If BC does aquire a center and move Bargs to PF, then it will be an admission of guilt by BC. An admission that he never actually tried to build around Bosh properly. Because if u wanted to build around Bosh properly, he would have gotten a decent center to play with him. (yes he got JO, who I thought fit well with Bosh, it was the guys that surrounded them that sucked) And now by moving our "center" Bargnani to power forward, he's admitting that Bargs wasn't a proper center next to Bosh.

BC lied this whole time. Almost every move he made was to placate Andrea, not Bosh. From loading this team with international players early on to make it easier on him, to firing Sam because he and Andrea did not see eye to eye, to way overpaying for Jose because it seemed like ha and Bargs had good chemistry the first 2 season, to trading away JO the minute Bargs showed marginal improvement, to resigning Triano just because Andrea seemed to like playing for him. It's all been about Bargs since day 1, not Bosh, and now the truth is finally revealed.

KRANG, those are some serious accusations to be tossing around. I'm not too sure about him bringing international players to appease Bargnani in the first year. We got Garbo and Parker from Europe. Parker, a native of the USA, was one of the best players not in the NBA and was signed by the Cavs this offseason. Garbo had value and was a cheap option veteran. Who else was brought in to appease Bargnani with any significance that year? Jose was already here, Rasho was a good veteran guy who won championships and to that point had never missed a playoff series. He brought in TJ Ford, Fred Jones and Juan Dixon. That is a short sighted accusation. We brough over an american and a Spaniard, and that was that.

Jose stayed here because he outplayed TJ Ford. Yeah, Colangelo signed Jose to a big contract because him and Bargs had good chemistry. Why did the Lakers have so much interest in signing him then? To appease Pau? Most that have watched this team always talk about how Jose never gives the ball to Bargs and yet, Brian has hinted at supporting Jose even over JJ. Again, another baseless argument.

And then you say we traded JO because of Bargnani? Bosh's play suffered immensely with JO here. He was costing us on the offensive end and couldn't stay on the court long enough for the defense to pay off. But we traded him to give Bargs more minutes? Why bring him over anyways then?

Terrible and baseless arguments to be honest with you.

[Ripp]

I mostly agree with the above posts. Bryan Colangelo probably doesn't even like Bargnani very much...he just has a lot of his ego tied up in the guy, and thus needs him to be a servicable player.

I don't think there is some massive conspiracy going on here...Bryan Colangelo is just a dumb GM, not a conniving one. No reason to look for deeper meaning.

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^Yea, this conspiracy about Bargs being our secret franchise player this whole time seems a bit farfetched... I know BC likes the kid (probably more than he should), but he certainly hasn't orchestrated every move he's made around him

[COY0607]

were going to be no more than a borderline playoff team next year, at best...........our draft pick is not that high in the lottery so were either going to get a project player or an nba ready role player to replace someone who leaves........were not getting a new coach.......hedo, jose and bargs all look like they will be here next year......and out of the players available from the bosh s&t, bynum is the only player than would get me excited for the 2010-2011 raptors..........so getting bynum is the best thing that can happen to the raptors this offseason, imo

[Ripp]

^^Yea, this conspiracy about Bargs being our secret franchise player this whole time seems a bit farfetched... I know BC likes the kid (probably more than he should), but he certainly hasn't orchestrated every move he's made around him

I highly doubt he even likes him as much as we think. You draft a guy #1 overall and his per 36 minute stats barely budge over the course of four years...and you also give him a huge 50 million contract in the expectation that he improves, but he actually regresses in some ways? BC is probably more than a little pissed

[Brinbe]

^^Yea, this conspiracy about Bargs being our secret franchise player this whole time seems a bit farfetched... I know BC likes the kid (probably more than he should), but he certainly hasn't orchestrated every move he's made around him

I highly doubt he even likes him as much as we think. You draft a guy #1 overall and his per 36 minute stats barely budge over the course of four years...and you also give him a huge 50 million contract in the expectation that he improves, but he actually regresses in some ways? BC is probably more than a little pissed

There's probably a little truth in both sides. Bargs is BC's golden boy, and it's not a secret. But his current enmity (if such a thing currently exists within BC) it's probably more disappointment than anger.

[ForeverTFC]

And for those asking about why the Lakers would do Bynum for Bosh, it really is simple.

At the end of the day Bosh is the superior player. And although the team itself might not become that much better, the move seriously hinders other teams from becoming dynasties. The only dynasty that could be built this year is one that has a LBJ/Bosh or Wade/Bosh combo IMHO. Bosh could quite possibly become the best second fiddle of all time in NBA history. Either of those combos in NJ and your talking dynasty. LBJ and Bosh to Chicago and they are world beaters. So by taking Bosh off the market, your are giving yourself a better player and pretty much eliminating the competition. Its a great idea to be honest with you.

[KRANG]

Lol. Alright maybe I'm reaching a bit with some of those points. Maybe all of them, who knows ? I'm just in hard core denial that Bosh is bolting. I need help

[ForeverTFC]

Lol. Alright maybe I'm reaching a bit with some of those points. Maybe all of them, who knows ? I'm just in hard core denial that Bosh is bolting. I need help

I think we are all going to be a bit delusional until this Bosh situation is dealt with. I really though these summers were gone for a good half decade or so 3 years ago. I now find myself day dreaming about having had KO to coach this team last season, just so he coulda overdosed on Diet Coke and called a press conference again to tell us what in the hell happened this last season.

But since that's not going to happen .... we might as well just drink em down for the time being!

[Truthrising]

from a Raptors Perspective:

Advantages:
Bosh will be shipped to Western Conference so this will not effect us as much since we'd probably seeing him once or twice during the season. This will also not improve any of the ECF teams.

This will upgrade the frontcourt defensively as Bynum-Bargnani is better than a Bosh-Bargnani pairing

We have never gotten the opportunity to pickup a True C w/ Both Offense/Defensive skillset that we have been lacking since the history of the Raptors.

He's only 22 yrs old so he still has a lot of room for growth as well and it's probably safe to say he can last at least 2 more years

He only has 2 yrs left in his contract, so its a safe gamble anything goes wrong (injury-wise)

Will at least produce 20/10/1.5-2 BPG, if people took a look at his stats when pau gasol was injured in the beginning of the 2009 season you can really see what type of potential Bynum has.


Disadvantages:
Injury Issues - played 60 games this season, 10 less than Bosh, meaning we may need to find another Option at C just in case he goes down.

Personality issues - some people say he acts like a little kid sometimes but i'm thinking it could be the fact there's too many stars in the Lakers team, but it isn't something that we should just decline because of the fact. We have seen the likes of Stephen Jackson or Zach Randolph who have turned over a new leaf, so it could be the environment there is and they just need a new change of scenery.



Overall, i'd take this deal in a heartbeat because something is better than nothing, and if that something is Bynum, how could you complain.

[Tofubeque]

Bosh could quite possibly become the best second fiddle of all time in NBA history.

Hmm Pippen had MVP-level talent. And played defense.

I agree with the rest though, the Lakers should want that trade. I'm not sure Bosh does though. I've never gotten the impression the L.A. spotlight and a demanding Kobe-type were really for him.

[Jose_Matador]

I don't see a red flag here...we get him for 2 years with a team option, there really isn't a gamble because we'd be terrible without a center anyways. No GM is gonna pass up the opportunity to get Bynum for a franchise player who would walk if not for S&T (30 mill).

[ForeverTFC]

Bosh could quite possibly become the best second fiddle of all time in NBA history.

Hmm Pippen had MVP-level talent. And played defense.

I agree with the rest though, the Lakers should want that trade. I'm not sure Bosh does though. I've never gotten the impression the L.A. spotlight and a demanding Kobe-type were really for him.

I would argue that Jordan made Pippen an MVP level talent, while Bosh has been an All-Star on his own, although on decent to bad teams.

And honestly, with the DVD, music deal, intense website marketing, and his attitude at the all star game, I think the humble Bosh we used to know and love is long gone. I think the allure of LA doing wonders for his promotion company, exposure on national TV and going down as quite possibly one of the best players on one of the best teams in the history of the NBA might be enough. I don't blame the guy, I would do it in a heartbeat if I had the chance as well. As a business move, it is great. Add a couple more years to his career, exposure for his companies he has set up and being close to the technology sector also doesn't hurt. The big 3 in Boston made it OK for stars to play with other stars.

[God Squad]

I'm not against Bynum. But I would rather get picks. That's what other teams could offer(Houston and others). A 1st round pick from the Lakers is useless.

Question is it possible for the rap tors to move up in the draft lets say Top 10? Top 5?
I'm digging Cousins and Favours.

[mercy]

If New Jersey agrees to pony up a top 3 pick for him, I think thats a great first option.

Bynum would be a sweet consolation prize as well. All depends on his health though. If he's healthy next year we're a better team. Book it!

[Rapsobsessed7]

i fully see a Bynum + Sasha for Bosh deal happening. I also wouldnt be surprised if they took Jack from us also.

A Sasha + Bynum for Bosh deal saves them 2.5 million and that can go to a PG in FA or re-signing their own players. i do though see Jack being thrown into the deal with their 1st + 2nds and Shannon Brown or someone like that added.

[McFurious1]

i fully see a Bynum + Sasha for Bosh deal happening. I also wouldnt be surprised if they took Jack from us also.

A Sasha + Bynum for Bosh deal saves them 2.5 million and that can go to a PG in FA or re-signing their own players. i do though see Jack being thrown into the deal with their 1st + 2nds and Shannon Brown or someone like that added.

Jack is not a throw in... if they want a PG give them Calderon.

[Silk Wilkes]

i fully see a Bynum + Sasha for Bosh deal happening. I also wouldnt be surprised if they took Jack from us also.

A Sasha + Bynum for Bosh deal saves them 2.5 million and that can go to a PG in FA or re-signing their own players. i do though see Jack being thrown into the deal with their 1st + 2nds and Shannon Brown or someone like that added.

Jack is not a throw in... if they want a PG give them Calderon.

Straight up, if we "throw in" Jack BC is simply an idiot.

As for Bynum, make him a captain, maybe responsibility will be good for him just like Captain Jack.

[Prop]

i don't really like it that much for us due to his injury problems and inability to stay on the court...and i'm not sure if i like it for them that much either.