Paul George: All-Star

[Yaroslavs1Fan]

Look Paul George is going to be a flat out stud. He can shoot well from inside, outside, and the free throw line. He is very athletic and will be a very good defender. He is a good passer and is not a selfish player. He is also a fairly good rebounder at 7 boards a game. Although people say he isn't good at creating for himself, in his recent workouts covered by chad ford, he is getting much better in that area. Also, people say he might not have the work ethic to be very good, but his coach at Fresno State recently said that his work ethic is his greatest asset. I believe Paul George will be an all-star. In my opinion he will definitely be a lottery pick and his ceiling is #8 to the clippers if both aminu and johnson are off the board. What do you think?

[vincecarter4pres]

I think he has the chance to be really good, really good.
Will he reach his ceiling? I don't know.
I think one of the biggest challenges he will have to overcome will be his stature. He is very slight of frame and most of the times players of his build are fairly injury prone, especially if they spend a lot of time in the paint.
He obviously has to improve his ball handling and his consistency as well.
He also doesn't get a ton of lift on his jumper, so it will be interesting to see how he adjusts to NBA defenders, who are sure to close out faster and stronger on him, although as a player that will at least start as a third or 4th option at best, he will likely get more open looks.
He needs to improve his pull up jumper as well, he's much better spotting up.
Also needs to cut down on the turnovers, but that has to come with the territory of being his teams #1 option and the main focus of opposing defenses even if it was against inferior comp.
He can be a very successful two way player though, which makes for quite the intriguing prospect as well.
If he tightens up his handle, he will have a chance to be a very tall and extremely long two guard, which is another interesting aspect to him as a player.

He has a chance to be everything Rudy Gay is supposed to be for the most part and it's going to be fun watching him attempt to get there, as long as he gets drafted to a situation where he is given the chance to succeed, but at the same time without the pressure and overwhelming responsibility of being thrust into a #2 option type of role, because I don't think he's even close to ready for all that and could prove him destine for failure if that happens.

[Yaroslavs1Fan]

I think he has the chance to be really good, really good.
Will he reach his ceiling? I don't know.
I think one of the biggest challenges he will have to overcome will be his stature. He is very slight of frame and most of the times players of his build are fairly injury prone, especially if they spend a lot of time in the paint.
He obviously has to improve his ball handling and his consistency as well.
He also doesn't get a ton of lift on his jumper, so it will be interesting to see how he adjusts to NBA defenders, who are sure to close out faster and stronger on him, although as a player that will at least start as a third or 4th option at best, he will likely get more open looks.
He needs to improve his pull up jumper as well, he's much better spotting up.
Also needs to cut down on the turnovers, but that has to come with the territory of being his teams #1 option and the main focus of opposing defenses even if it was against inferior comp.
He can be a very successful two way player though, which makes for quite the intriguing prospect as well.
If he tightens up his handle, he will have a chance to be a very tall and extremely long two guard, which is another interesting aspect to him as a player.

He has a chance to be everything Rudy Gay is supposed to be for the most part and it's going to be fun watching him attempt to get there, as long as he gets drafted to a situation where he is given the chance to succeed, but at the same time without the pressure and overwhelming responsibility of being thrust into a #2 option type of role, because I don't think he's even close to ready for all that and could prove him destine for failure if that happens.

I believe he will end up going #8 to the clippers and being that they have a good shot of signing either joe johnson or rudy gay, he will have a great mentor.

[vincecarter4pres]

I doubt he goes over Aminu, so him and Wes Johnson will have a lot of impact on Paul's draft position. There are the wild cards of Hayword and Babbitt as well. Then you can't count out Xavier Henry, although IMO he is a natural two guard and may have problems at the 3 and then there is the outside shot that someone takes James Anderson over George.

I think Paul George's realistic range is 8 to 17, which is pretty wide open.
He does interview well, which I'm sure teams appreciate though.

He absolutely has lotto talent, but this draft is deeper and more talented then many will give it credit for. A lot of who gets picked first between guys who are grouped together as prospects by position and value by draft range, will come down to personal decisions by teams, by god knows what criteria and we know most GM's are a fickle bunch.

There are some areas in this draft where prospects have such similar talent levels, measure out physically so close, are in the same age range and have such similar ceilings that teams may literally be flipping coins when they have to choose between a certain player or two.

He seems to be the new hype pick, the flavor of the week, as I have noticed a big increase of people on RealGM suddenly on his jock. Personally I think there is a ton of substance to him, I have had him on my radar since last season, but I think a lot of people on here hyping him up haven't even seen him play, especially because he went to a small school on the left coast.
I mean I have only seen him play literally 4 or 5 times this season and I would bet I have seen him play 5 or 6 times more then most on here outside of those in Central Cali.

He has improved a lot this season from last and from the beginning of this season to where he's at now. I think he's a fast learner and the sky's the limit for him, but he could easily turn into nothing more then a role player in the same breath, but I think that is his basement. A very solid role player. I think that's another plus to drafting him, that when some of the other swingmen in his range aren't even in the NBA at the end of their rookie deals, or are rotting at the end of a bench on a vet minimum deal, Paul George will at least be a mid minute rotation role player that produces and has a positive impact on the game.

You still get big time potential with him on top of this though and I think that is what makes him so special and gives him such value compared to the other 3's in this draft after Wesley Johnson and honestly I like him a lot better then Aminu, although they're kind of night and day as prospects and players.

[nba_addict]

I dont understand the George love. As far as I can see in the highlights the only positive I can see is his shooting and length. Skillswise he wont contribute anything outside of his outside shooting. He wont be able to defend in the next level. He wont be able to finish inside unless its a transition opportunity. His midrange game is a little bit overrated. He doenst have the dribble and release that will work at NBA level, at least just yet.

I found a blogsite which I can no longer find the link where it shows out of 10 strong schools George fought last year he shoot 36% from the field and 20% something from the three point line. Note that George is playing for a small school whose quality of opponents is not topnotch.

George reminds me of another player few years back, named Joe Alexander. Alexander has better inside game but George has better outside shooting.

[BucksRUS]

I dont understand the George love. As far as I can see in the highlights the only positive I can see is his shooting and length. Skillswise he wont contribute anything outside of his outside shooting. He wont be able to defend in the next level. He wont be able to finish inside unless its a transition opportunity. His midrange game is a little bit overrated. He doenst have the dribble and release that will work at NBA level, at least just yet.

I found a blogsite which I can no longer find the link where it shows out of 10 strong schools George fought last year he shoot 36% from the field and 20% something from the three point line. Note that George is playing for a small school whose quality of opponents is not topnotch.

George reminds me of another player few years back, named Joe Alexander. Alexander has better inside game but George has better outside shooting.

The only thing Joe Alexander and Paul George have in common is that they are similar sized athletic small forwards. Joe Alexander is just clueless about playing 5 on 5 basketball. He continually misses assignments on offense and defense.

Skillswise George has the biggest upside of all the wing prospects. He has the athleticism to defend in the NBA. He will get playing time right away because he can shoot the ball. As far as being a shot creator he is by no means polished, but he is much further along in this respect than Wesley Johnson and Xavier Henry.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Every year, it seems, fans get enamored with a youtube phenom. I guy who is oozing with size and athleticism and who looks fantastic in a highlight video.

But if George is so good, why didn't he dominate more in an extremely weak WAC? George averaged 17 ppg on 42% FGs in the WAC for crying out loud. 42% FGs is an embarrassment for a forward in college anyway, but when you're that big and that athletic, it is especially bad. Did I mention he played in the WAC?

[BigSlam]

He also doesn't get a ton of lift on his jumper, so it will be interesting to see how he adjusts to NBA defenders, who are sure to close out faster and stronger on him, although as a player that will at least start as a third or 4th option at best, he will likely get more open looks.

This is the thing that stuck out to me too.

He's almost Childress like with the way he shoots - which looks to be very blockable.

[Pepe LePew]

He will be a bust if he is drafted top ten. Henry is better prospect, he will be around 15-20 where he is supossed to be. James Anderson is a better shooter and Henry is younger and much stronger.

[vincecarter4pres]

I dont understand the George love. As far as I can see in the highlights the only positive I can see is his shooting and length. Skillswise he wont contribute anything outside of his outside shooting. He wont be able to defend in the next level. He wont be able to finish inside unless its a transition opportunity. His midrange game is a little bit overrated. He doenst have the dribble and release that will work at NBA level, at least just yet.

It's a good thing you're rating him off highlights.

[vincecarter4pres]

He also doesn't get a ton of lift on his jumper, so it will be interesting to see how he adjusts to NBA defenders, who are sure to close out faster and stronger on him, although as a player that will at least start as a third or 4th option at best, he will likely get more open looks.

This is the thing that stuck out to me too.

He's almost Childress like with the way he shoots - which looks to be very blockable.

Yeah, I think it's very legitimate concern.

I see some shades of Rashard Lewis in this kid though, mixed with Rudy Gay.

[BigSlam]

A taller Eric Gordon maybe?

[_BBIB_]

He has the highest ceiling out of all the swingmen in this draft and he belongs playing alongside Eric Gordon.

A 6'9 Eric Gordon would be a dang good player

I think he's Joe Johnson meets Rudy Gay

[Pepe LePew]

He has the highest ceiling out of all the swingmen in this draft and he belongs playing alongside Eric Gordon.

A 6'9 Eric Gordon would be a dang good player

I think he's Joe Johnson meets Rudy Gay

lol sure, thats why Wesley Johnson with zero upside and Aminu are ahead of him. Lol you are so funny.

[ponder276]

Seriously, who has actually seen this guy play? He plays for Fresno State in the WAC, if you say you've seen him play a decent number of games you're likely full of sh*t unless you're a Bulldogs fan or a professional scout. I'm guessing everyone in this thread is basing their opinions off youtube highlights and scouting reports. For example, this post:

I think he has the chance to be really good, really good.
Will he reach his ceiling? I don't know.
I think one of the biggest challenges he will have to overcome will be his stature. He is very slight of frame and most of the times players of his build are fairly injury prone, especially if they spend a lot of time in the paint.
He obviously has to improve his ball handling and his consistency as well.
He also doesn't get a ton of lift on his jumper, so it will be interesting to see how he adjusts to NBA defenders, who are sure to close out faster and stronger on him, although as a player that will at least start as a third or 4th option at best, he will likely get more open looks.
He needs to improve his pull up jumper as well, he's much better spotting up.
Also needs to cut down on the turnovers, but that has to come with the territory of being his teams #1 option and the main focus of opposing defenses even if it was against inferior comp.
He can be a very successful two way player though, which makes for quite the intriguing prospect as well.
If he tightens up his handle, he will have a chance to be a very tall and extremely long two guard, which is another interesting aspect to him as a player.

He has a chance to be everything Rudy Gay is supposed to be for the most part and it's going to be fun watching him attempt to get there, as long as he gets drafted to a situation where he is given the chance to succeed, but at the same time without the pressure and overwhelming responsibility of being thrust into a #2 option type of role, because I don't think he's even close to ready for all that and could prove him destine for failure if that happens.

Is pretty much just a summarized version of Draft Express' scouting report:

NCAA Weekly Performers, 3/10/10
March 10, 2010
Scott Nadler

Fresno State’s Paul George has steadily been climbing NBA draft boards since he broke out onto the national scene as a freshman last season. We were high on him a year ago and he’s certainly made improvements to his game – living up to the preseason hype that surrounded him in the beginning of the year. His versatility, athleticism and scoring ability are all part of the package of this highly talented small forward, and in a draft class limited with skilled wing players; George could be one of the best options at that position come June.

George has made huge strides from last season to this season, which is extremely encouraging considering the fact that he’s the go-to-guy on a struggling Bulldogs team and the focal point of every opposing defense. Despite all the attention, he’s averaging an impressive 20.3 points per 40 pace adjusted – getting the bulk of his points in transition and in spot up situations.

With a long and wiry frame, George runs the floor well and is good for a highlight reel dunk or strong finish at least once a game – which is one of his biggest improvements from last season. In ’08-’09, George converted a measly 39.3% of his shots around the basket. This year however, he’s finishing at a much higher rate, shooting a fantastic 55.8% at the rim, which dispels some of the questions regarding his lack of toughness.

He’s also increased his free throw attempts a game, albeit not by a considerable amount (3.9 FTA to 4.5 FTA), but it nonetheless shows his attention and focus to better his progress is in the right place. Furthermore, George has made a gigantic leap in his efficiency as a free throw shooter, going from a below 70% shooter from the charity stripe to making 90.6% of his attempts, ranking him 2nd in our entire database.

With that said, it would be nice to see George getting to the line more, and there are several reasons as to why he’s not doing so at a higher rate in his current state of development. Most glaring are his limitations as a shot-creator. He has average stationary ball handling skills and is capable of dribbling the ball on the perimeter at the WAC level, but when it comes to exploding by his man and getting into the teeth of the defense – he presently lacks that skill set. He plays a bit too upright and must learn how to play lower to the ground, which should enhance his ability to utilize his athleticism. Tightening up his ball-handling skills and improving his ability to create in the half-court will be a key part of his development moving forward.

Another reason is his love for the 3 point shot. George attempts 5.8 3-pointers a game, 6th in our database amongst all small forwards. At least one or two a night is of the settling nature – either an attempt early in the shot clock or a quick look in transition with no teammates in position to rebound. As his attempts per game have increased from 4.1 to 5.8, his percentage has dipped from an absurd 44.7% last season to 35.8% this season—a pretty dramatic drop-off.

George is not a very good off the dribble shooter at this point in time, but you would never guess that by the way he plays at times. He’s made just 5/28 attempts (a dismal 18%) of that nature in the 14 game-tapes we have at our disposal—showing how far off he is in this area. His talent level as a shot-maker should allow him to improve here down the road, but he should definitely try to avoid falling in love with his mid-range pull-up.

With that said, his shot is still one of his major selling points. He has an effortless stroke and unlimited range and in today’s NBA, teams are always looking for players who can help spread the floor. He doesn’t elevate particularly well on his shot, but with his excellent size, long wingspan and quick release, he doesn’t have a problem getting it off.

Another strong aspect of his game is in his ability to see the floor and his willingness to share the ball. With good size on the perimeter he can see over the defense and make difficult passes in the half court, averaging slightly over 3 assists a game which makes him one of the better passing small forwards in college basketball.

On the other hand, George averages the same amount of turnovers a game as he does assists. He can be very nonchalant with the basketball at times and tries to make spectacular passes on occasion when only a simple pass is needed. That nonchalant nature is consistent with his personality, which has raised questions about his on court effort. He tends to coast at times, just running up and down the court without great energy and not showing a real disposition to dominate the fairly weak competition he plays against in the WAC, something that obviously won’t cut it in the NBA.

As a defender, George has all the tools to be very solid on this side of the ball, but hasn’t fully put it all together just yet. He comes out of his stance too often and is unaware at times of his opponent’s strengths – backing off of a shooter or caroling a driver, suggesting he needs to pay more attention to scouting reports. Despite that, his length, anticipatory skills and quick hands have made George one of the nation’s leaders in steals, collecting over 2 a game.

Projected right now as a solid 1st round pick, it’s not unfathomable to see George creep his way higher up the board when it’s all said and done if he chooses to declare for the draft. Reminiscent of an [url=/profile/Al-Thornton-591/]Al Thornton or a [url=/profile/Wilson-Chandler-505/]Wilson Chandler, George has the talent, look and potential to be a successful rotational NBA player down the road.

[nba_addict]

My realistic assessment is he has to be in the right situation just like how Budinger was drafted. Drafting him in the lotto is a high risk high reward move which could actually turnout a bust move in a single blink of an eye. As I have mentioned the only positives I see in George based on some youtube highlights I have seen is his "outside shooting" and "length". A team that will draft him has to put him in the system where George is set-up as catch and shoot shooter and a runner in transition situations. A good example is assuming that Jared Dudley and Channing Frye role in the NBA. Outside than that, my assessment is he wont have impact in the NBA games in the next two years. He aint as skilled as everyone would like to fantasize here.

I wont dare say he is athletic as I have not seen that "certain" level of explosiveness in any youtube highlights I have seen. He can dunk sure, but so are other 98/100 prospects. I certainly dont think he is a stud defender, and maybe not even average as the DX report (which I find credible) did not mention such aside from his positive physical attributes.

George's handle is not adequate for a 3, moreso for a 2 guard. I rank George and Aminu as those guys with high bust possiblities because they are both unpolished in terms of skill level and teams will be hedging on their physical attributes more moving forward.

Going back to George, my assessment is he is not someone better than Budinger.

[BucksRUS]

George has been killing it in workouts. Teams are taking notice. Question is how high could he go in the draft? Bucks have interest at 15. I could see the Clippers, Hornets, and Grizzlies having interest in him earlier than 15. Just an example of a comment about his workouts.

From DraftExpress Twitter:

Tough not to watch Paul George work out and not come away impressed. He's just oozing with talent already & has so much room to grow still.

[nba_addict]

There are set of criterias I follow in evaluating players if they will contribute or not and how to much more define what that "potential" means. The only positives that I clearly see is his outside shooting and length. Will that be enough to make him effective in playing 5-on-5 at NBA level? That I didnt clearly see in highlights and DX reports.

Joe Alexander has impressive workouts and we all know where he is now.

I'll get back in this thread next year and compare George's rookie season with Chase Budinger. Like what I said, I dont see George any better than Budinger.

[vincecarter4pres]

Seriously, who has actually seen this guy play? He plays for Fresno State in the WAC, if you say you've seen him play a decent number of games you're likely full of sh*t unless you're a Bulldogs fan or a professional scout. I'm guessing everyone in this thread is basing their opinions off youtube highlights and scouting reports. For example, this post:

I think he has the chance to be really good, really good.
Will he reach his ceiling? I don't know.
I think one of the biggest challenges he will have to overcome will be his stature. He is very slight of frame and most of the times players of his build are fairly injury prone, especially if they spend a lot of time in the paint.
He obviously has to improve his ball handling and his consistency as well.
He also doesn't get a ton of lift on his jumper, so it will be interesting to see how he adjusts to NBA defenders, who are sure to close out faster and stronger on him, although as a player that will at least start as a third or 4th option at best, he will likely get more open looks.
He needs to improve his pull up jumper as well, he's much better spotting up.
Also needs to cut down on the turnovers, but that has to come with the territory of being his teams #1 option and the main focus of opposing defenses even if it was against inferior comp.
He can be a very successful two way player though, which makes for quite the intriguing prospect as well.
If he tightens up his handle, he will have a chance to be a very tall and extremely long two guard, which is another interesting aspect to him as a player.

He has a chance to be everything Rudy Gay is supposed to be for the most part and it's going to be fun watching him attempt to get there, as long as he gets drafted to a situation where he is given the chance to succeed, but at the same time without the pressure and overwhelming responsibility of being thrust into a #2 option type of role, because I don't think he's even close to ready for all that and could prove him destine for failure if that happens.

Is pretty much just a summarized version of Draft Express' scouting report:

NCAA Weekly Performers, 3/10/10
March 10, 2010
Scott Nadler

Fresno State’s Paul George has steadily been climbing NBA draft boards since he broke out onto the national scene as a freshman last season. We were high on him a year ago and he’s certainly made improvements to his game – living up to the preseason hype that surrounded him in the beginning of the year. His versatility, athleticism and scoring ability are all part of the package of this highly talented small forward, and in a draft class limited with skilled wing players; George could be one of the best options at that position come June.

George has made huge strides from last season to this season, which is extremely encouraging considering the fact that he’s the go-to-guy on a struggling Bulldogs team and the focal point of every opposing defense. Despite all the attention, he’s averaging an impressive 20.3 points per 40 pace adjusted – getting the bulk of his points in transition and in spot up situations.

With a long and wiry frame, George runs the floor well and is good for a highlight reel dunk or strong finish at least once a game – which is one of his biggest improvements from last season. In ’08-’09, George converted a measly 39.3% of his shots around the basket. This year however, he’s finishing at a much higher rate, shooting a fantastic 55.8% at the rim, which dispels some of the questions regarding his lack of toughness.

He’s also increased his free throw attempts a game, albeit not by a considerable amount (3.9 FTA to 4.5 FTA), but it nonetheless shows his attention and focus to better his progress is in the right place. Furthermore, George has made a gigantic leap in his efficiency as a free throw shooter, going from a below 70% shooter from the charity stripe to making 90.6% of his attempts, ranking him 2nd in our entire database.

With that said, it would be nice to see George getting to the line more, and there are several reasons as to why he’s not doing so at a higher rate in his current state of development. Most glaring are his limitations as a shot-creator. He has average stationary ball handling skills and is capable of dribbling the ball on the perimeter at the WAC level, but when it comes to exploding by his man and getting into the teeth of the defense – he presently lacks that skill set. He plays a bit too upright and must learn how to play lower to the ground, which should enhance his ability to utilize his athleticism. Tightening up his ball-handling skills and improving his ability to create in the half-court will be a key part of his development moving forward.

Another reason is his love for the 3 point shot. George attempts 5.8 3-pointers a game, 6th in our database amongst all small forwards. At least one or two a night is of the settling nature – either an attempt early in the shot clock or a quick look in transition with no teammates in position to rebound. As his attempts per game have increased from 4.1 to 5.8, his percentage has dipped from an absurd 44.7% last season to 35.8% this season—a pretty dramatic drop-off.

George is not a very good off the dribble shooter at this point in time, but you would never guess that by the way he plays at times. He’s made just 5/28 attempts (a dismal 18%) of that nature in the 14 game-tapes we have at our disposal—showing how far off he is in this area. His talent level as a shot-maker should allow him to improve here down the road, but he should definitely try to avoid falling in love with his mid-range pull-up.

With that said, his shot is still one of his major selling points. He has an effortless stroke and unlimited range and in today’s NBA, teams are always looking for players who can help spread the floor. He doesn’t elevate particularly well on his shot, but with his excellent size, long wingspan and quick release, he doesn’t have a problem getting it off.

Another strong aspect of his game is in his ability to see the floor and his willingness to share the ball. With good size on the perimeter he can see over the defense and make difficult passes in the half court, averaging slightly over 3 assists a game which makes him one of the better passing small forwards in college basketball.

On the other hand, George averages the same amount of turnovers a game as he does assists. He can be very nonchalant with the basketball at times and tries to make spectacular passes on occasion when only a simple pass is needed. That nonchalant nature is consistent with his personality, which has raised questions about his on court effort. He tends to coast at times, just running up and down the court without great energy and not showing a real disposition to dominate the fairly weak competition he plays against in the WAC, something that obviously won’t cut it in the NBA.

As a defender, George has all the tools to be very solid on this side of the ball, but hasn’t fully put it all together just yet. He comes out of his stance too often and is unaware at times of his opponent’s strengths – backing off of a shooter or caroling a driver, suggesting he needs to pay more attention to scouting reports. Despite that, his length, anticipatory skills and quick hands have made George one of the nation’s leaders in steals, collecting over 2 a game.

Projected right now as a solid 1st round pick, it’s not unfathomable to see George creep his way higher up the board when it’s all said and done if he chooses to declare for the draft. Reminiscent of an [url=/profile/Al-Thornton-591/]Al Thornton or a [url=/profile/Wilson-Chandler-505/]Wilson Chandler, George has the talent, look and potential to be a successful rotational NBA player down the road.

I've seen him play, last season too.
There are a lot of concerns.
I am no scout, but I think he has a lot of "potential."
Boom or bust?
Sure.
He could be this year's Antoine Wright or Danny Granger.
I am no expert and was really strong on James Johnson last year...
But I'm comfortable saying he will be the 4th best wing prospect this draft this year behind Turner, Wes, and one of the wildcards like Babbitt and a 1st year Aminu after this season is over.
In the long run, I see him at worst, a really solid player.
Why don't you quote my second post?

[Pepe LePew]

My realistic assessment is he has to be in the right situation just like how Budinger was drafted. Drafting him in the lotto is a high risk high reward move which could actually turnout a bust move in a single blink of an eye. As I have mentioned the only positives I see in George based on some youtube highlights I have seen is his "outside shooting" and "length". A team that will draft him has to put him in the system where George is set-up as catch and shoot shooter and a runner in transition situations. A good example is assuming that Jared Dudley and Channing Frye role in the NBA. Outside than that, my assessment is he wont have impact in the NBA games in the next two years. He aint as skilled as everyone would like to fantasize here.

I wont dare say he is athletic as I have not seen that "certain" level of explosiveness in any youtube highlights I have seen. He can dunk sure, but so are other 98/100 prospects. I certainly dont think he is a stud defender, and maybe not even average as the DX report (which I find credible) did not mention such aside from his positive physical attributes.

George's handle is not adequate for a 3, moreso for a 2 guard. I rank George and Aminu as those guys with high bust possiblities because they are both unpolished in terms of skill level and teams will be hedging on their physical attributes more moving forward.

Going back to George, my assessment is he is not someone better than Budinger.

YES! about time, someone with Brain.
I think he will be from 15 to 30.

All you have to do is take a look at last year post and the same people doing hypes con Earl Clark, Budinger or James Johnson. And take a look at them nowadays.