Athletic Measurements From ESPN

[Upperclass]

Babbitt is quite the on paper athlete..

[#1 pick]

Dwayne Wade had a 36 inch max vert
Troy Bell had a 38 inch no step vert

Troy Bell is no longer in the NBA, Wade is an elite player. This is basketball, not football.

I dont think thats the right way to look at it at all, I dont even know who Troy Bell is but you have to take everything in conjuction. You cant just look at the measurements but they are part of the puzzle that includes a variety of things...

Troy Bell was one of the best scorers in the NCAA during his time in college. Great college player.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tro ... 652/stats/

[Xand1]

Babbitt is quite the on paper athlete..

This is a great example of what I was trying to say. Now, I don't know much about Babbit, but every scouting report I've seen panned his lack of athleticism. Are we now supposed to believe that he magically morphed into a great in-game athlete, or is it possible that he prepped for the tests or is just a combine wonder and that he'll continue to be the same player on the court as before the combine despite his results. I'm going with the latter.

[princeofpalace]

Dwayne Wade had a 36 inch max vert
Troy Bell had a 38 inch no step vert

Troy Bell is no longer in the NBA, Wade is an elite player. This is basketball, not football.

I dont think thats the right way to look at it at all, I dont even know who Troy Bell is but you have to take everything in conjuction. You cant just look at the measurements but they are part of the puzzle that includes a variety of things...

Troy Bell was one of the best scorers in the NCAA during his time in college. Great college player.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tro ... 652/stats/

I cant say whether or not he was athletic since I never saw him play but to be fair hewas undersized without length... He's not the first NCAA scorer to go that way

[#1 pick]

Dwight Howard
Predraft Measurements
Height w/o Shoes Height w/shoes Weight Wingspan Standing Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert Bench Press Lane Agility 3/4 Court Sprint Class Rank
6' 9" 6' 10.25" 240 7' 4.5" 9' 3.5" NA 30.5 35.5 7 11.21 3.14 29

Player - No step vert - Max vert - Bench press (185 lbs) - Lane agility - 3/4 court sprint
Derrick Favors 31.5 35.5 14 11.74 3.25

Favors and Howard are too similar terms of numbers.

As for Aminu, those are good numbers. 33.5 max vert is very good for his height+ length. Bobbitt numbers are more on Kevin Love's level as more weight room than on court athleticism.

[AQuintus]

The vertical numbers seemed really low to me for a lot of guys so I looked back at the numbers for the guys that measure previously:

Luke Harongody:

2009: 27" no step, 31" max
2010: 24" no step, 28.5" max

Damion James:

2009: 30" no step, 37" max
2010: 29" no step, 33" max

Gani Lawal:

2009: 30" no step, 34.5" max
2010: 27" no step, 31.5" max

This is another reason why these tests don't mean much, they very widely year to year even with the same people.

Edit: Fixed a typo in Lawal's measurements.

[#1 pick]

The vertical numbers seemed really low to me for a lot of guys so I looked back at the numbers for the guys that measure previously:

Luke Harongody:

2009: 27" no step, 31" max
2010: 24" no step, 28.5" max

Damion James:

2009: 30" no step, 37" max
2010: 29" no step, 33" max

Gani Lawal:

2009: 30" no step, 34.5" max
2010: 37" no step, 31.5" max

This is another reason why these tests don't mean much, they very widely year to year even with the same people.

Yep, you can argue all three of these players were more athletic this year in film.

[HeyIt'sMe]

Dwight Howard
Predraft Measurements
Height w/o Shoes Height w/shoes Weight Wingspan Standing Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert Bench Press Lane Agility 3/4 Court Sprint Class Rank
6' 9" 6' 10.25" 240 7' 4.5" 9' 3.5" NA 30.5 35.5 7 11.21 3.14 29

Player - No step vert - Max vert - Bench press (185 lbs) - Lane agility - 3/4 court sprint
Derrick Favors 31.5 35.5 14 11.74 3.25

Favors and Howard are too similar terms of numbers.

As for Aminu, those are good numbers. 33.5 max vert is very good for his height+ length. Bobbitt numbers are more on Kevin Love's level as more weight room than on court athleticism.

Howard's agility numbers are considerably better, and he's also faster. That's why Howard is such an awesome athlete. He's extremely long (might be even longer now than measured since he's grown a little), and can run and jump better than a lot of guards. He's just a freak athletically.

Favors is no slouch in the athletic department, but he's not in Howard's class.

[Xand1]

Dwight Howard
Predraft Measurements
Height w/o Shoes Height w/shoes Weight Wingspan Standing Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert Bench Press Lane Agility 3/4 Court Sprint Class Rank
6' 9" 6' 10.25" 240 7' 4.5" 9' 3.5" NA 30.5 35.5 7 11.21 3.14 29

Player - No step vert - Max vert - Bench press (185 lbs) - Lane agility - 3/4 court sprint
Derrick Favors 31.5 35.5 14 11.74 3.25

Favors and Howard are too similar terms of numbers.

As for Aminu, those are good numbers. 33.5 max vert is very good for his height+ length. Bobbitt numbers are more on Kevin Love's level as more weight room than on court athleticism.

Howard's agility numbers are considerably better, and he's also faster. That's why Howard is such an awesome athlete. He's extremely long (might be even longer now than measured since he's grown a little), and can run and jump better than a lot of guards. He's just a freak athletically.

Favors is no slouch in the athletic department, but he's not in Howard's class.

I'm with you here. Size-wise Howard is nothing special. It's his quickness and especially his explosiveness that separates him from the pack. He flies off the ground like no other C out there and he's as agile as most SF's. Definitely just a freak.

I like Favors, but nothing I've seen puts him on Howard's level. That's not a knock on the guy as he's still a great athlete for his size, but Howard's the most athletic big in the league right now.

[#1 pick]

Dwight Howard
Predraft Measurements
Height w/o Shoes Height w/shoes Weight Wingspan Standing Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert Bench Press Lane Agility 3/4 Court Sprint Class Rank
6' 9" 6' 10.25" 240 7' 4.5" 9' 3.5" NA 30.5 35.5 7 11.21 3.14 29

Player - No step vert - Max vert - Bench press (185 lbs) - Lane agility - 3/4 court sprint
Derrick Favors 31.5 35.5 14 11.74 3.25

Favors and Howard are too similar terms of numbers.

As for Aminu, those are good numbers. 33.5 max vert is very good for his height+ length. Bobbitt numbers are more on Kevin Love's level as more weight room than on court athleticism.

Howard's agility numbers are considerably better, and he's also faster. That's why Howard is such an awesome athlete. He's extremely long (might be even longer now than measured since he's grown a little), and can run and jump better than a lot of guards. He's just a freak athletically.

Favors is no slouch in the athletic department, but he's not in Howard's class.

I think both players are phenomenal athletes, I think that Howard is a better defender at the same age as well as a rebounder, but offensively it's not even close. Favors is better. I think more of you will understand why I put Favors at #2 and why I think he maybe as good as a prospect as Wall. I remember the battle people (mainly scouts) were having about Howard being too raw and Okafor winning a title and being a much better player. Fast forward today and Howard is the second best player in the NBA and Okafor is regressing. There is more to it than what you see now. As for what you are not mentioning is Favors jumps higher no step and is much stronger (14 to 7 in the bench press). Plus Favors is 245 and Howard was 240. Their 3/4 court spirits aren't as far as you are saying.

[vincecarter4pres]

Fast forward today and Howard is the second best player in the NBA.

No.

[i<3basketball]

Babbitt is quite the on paper athlete..

This is a great example of what I was trying to say. Now, I don't know much about Babbit, but every scouting report I've seen panned his lack of athleticism. Are we now supposed to believe that he magically morphed into a great in-game athlete, or is it possible that he prepped for the tests or is just a combine wonder and that he'll continue to be the same player on the court as before the combine despite his results. I'm going with the latter.

Although the scouting reports say he isn't the best athlete, just watch some of his highlight reel on youtube and you can see he definitely is a decent athlete and these numbers prove he has athletic ability.

[J_Ray]

Babbitt is quite the on paper athlete..

This is a great example of what I was trying to say. Now, I don't know much about Babbit, but every scouting report I've seen panned his lack of athleticism. Are we now supposed to believe that he magically morphed into a great in-game athlete, or is it possible that he prepped for the tests or is just a combine wonder and that he'll continue to be the same player on the court as before the combine despite his results. I'm going with the latter.

Although the scouting reports say he isn't the best athlete, just watch some of his highlight reel on youtube and you can see he definitely is a decent athlete and these numbers prove he has athletic ability.

I agree, if you have ever watched Babbit play, you can tell he's a bouncy type of athlete. Just watch his jumper and the guy gets up on it. I never understood where people got that he wasn't that great of an athlete from, maybe he was stereotyped for being white

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0_PCqoB0aI&feature=related

[Xand1]

Although the scouting reports say he isn't the best athlete, just watch some of his highlight reel on youtube and you can see he definitely is a decent athlete and these numbers prove he has athletic ability.

I agree, if you have ever watched Babbit play, you can tell he's a bouncy type of athlete. Just watch his jumper and the guy gets up on it. I never understood where people got that he wasn't that great of an athlete from, maybe he was stereotyped for being white

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0_PCqoB0aI&feature=related

Interesting, you wouldn't really guess it from his scouting reports. I guess it goes back to my point about watching guys play.

Maybe it's just his lateral quicks that are questioned. He's obviously a solid athlete overall. Sounds a bit like Budinger..

[DeBlazerRiddem]

The more I see of Terrico White's stats, he has very nice physical profile for the NBA. Big hands, good length/size, fast, cut, good hops...

His "lane agility" score didn't look too great though - anyone know what this is all about?

[_BBIB_]

This actually matters because of the size difference between NCAA and NBA players. Cousins & Aldrich had a considerable size advantage in the NCAA that wont persist in the NBA which makes their measurements concerning IMO... Neither Cousins nor Aldrich performed better than Monroe who gets a bad rap for his athleticism...

Yeah but Cousins isn't a guy taken because of his raw athleticism. He's actually a really skilled big man. Probably the most skilled in this class easily among the legit Center prospects.

Disappointed we don't have any athletic measurements for Paul George, that's one of his biggest strengths. I know his vertical had to be at least as good as Aminu

[mid-post]

The vertical numbers seemed really low to me for a lot of guys so I looked back at the numbers for the guys that measure previously:

Luke Harongody:

2009: 27" no step, 31" max
2010: 24" no step, 28.5" max

Damion James:

2009: 30" no step, 37" max
2010: 29" no step, 33" max

Gani Lawal:

2009: 30" no step, 34.5" max
2010: 27" no step, 31.5" max

This is another reason why these tests don't mean much, they very widely year to year even with the same people.

Edit: Fixed a typo in Lawal's measurements.

All those guys' numbers went down.
Just a theory, but do you think that's fairly common (as a result of putting on mass)? For me an intriguing prospect would be one who has gotten heavier over the years but hasn't lost anything on his vertical

[AQuintus]

Those players probably just got a little stronger and the added weight affected their vertical.

Harangody:

2009: 240 pounds, 11.2% BF
2010: 240 pounds, 11.1% BF

James:

2009: 224 pounds, 8.2% BF
2010: 227 pounds, 9.6% BF

Lawal:

2009: 229 pounds, 7.2% BF
2010: 233 pounds, 6.3% BF

Some slight changes, but nothing that would drop 3 inches off of someone's max vert.

[vincecarter4pres]

The vertical numbers seemed really low to me for a lot of guys so I looked back at the numbers for the guys that measure previously:

Luke Harongody:

2009: 27" no step, 31" max
2010: 24" no step, 28.5" max

Damion James:

2009: 30" no step, 37" max
2010: 29" no step, 33" max

Gani Lawal:

2009: 30" no step, 34.5" max
2010: 27" no step, 31.5" max

This is another reason why these tests don't mean much, they very widely year to year even with the same people.

Edit: Fixed a typo in Lawal's measurements.

All those guys' numbers went down.
Just a theory, but do you think that's fairly common (as a result of putting on mass)? For me an intriguing prospect would be one who has gotten heavier over the years but hasn't lost anything on his vertical

Yeah, I was thinking this myself, you put on muscle mass, your vert is bound to suffer...

[whatchaknow]

Demarcus not lifting weights shows me why he has such a high body fat %. Its just all natural pure strength, he is just a BIG dude. The small vert doesnt scare me at all with him because he doesnt use athleticism at all in his game. He uses his quick feet and big body to manuever around and keep guys from blocking his shot. He is a below the rim player even though he is basically a 7 footer.

I think in general people make too much of these athletic measurements. They are fun and all but dont tell the whole story. What about Brandon Roy having a 40' vert, 6' more than what Wade put up? I do want to know more about this Terrico White kid... anyone got a good feel for him?