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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#21 » by DY_nasty » Mon May 24, 2010 10:01 am

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Fred Williamson wrote:An Ellis+Jax backcourt gives you the most inefficient scoring you've ever seen.

You mean except for the part where Ellis shot over 50%fg with 20ppg scoring back before he was asked to carry a terrible team?

Monta averaged nearly 4 turnovers per game this season. And having a hot streak on the Golden State Warriors is like having to go to the bathroom - EVERYONE on that team goes through hot streaks like that on that team, even the d-leaguers. Dude still can't shoot the three either.

I like him as a player, but all of his weaknesses would be magnified ten times on a team like ours.
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#22 » by fatlever » Mon May 24, 2010 2:58 pm

i actually think ellis' weaknesses could be hidden on a team like ours. with jax and diaw you dont need him to be a playmaker for others. defensively we can cover for him. and lb could probably get through to him to share the ball a little more and take better shots.
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#23 » by e4Nf6 » Mon May 24, 2010 4:32 pm

I can't believe that people are making the argument that he wouldn't be an upgrade....

The only reason we would even think of turning down this deal is salaries...

As somebody else mentioned, Memphis was going to give them OJ mayo for him and GS turned it down. Even if he didn't work out here for whatever reason he is still more of an asset than Chandler+DJ+Hendo.
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#24 » by DY_nasty » Mon May 24, 2010 8:32 pm

I think a lot of you have been spoiled by our teams stellar defensive play at all positions. Guys flip out when Boris is a littlie late to an assignment but even Boris is an above average defender who can guard multiple positions. Monta's defense isn't even notably better than DJ's.

Also, 4 turnover per game won't just go away over night. You put him on a team like ours where the offense struggles as a whole and each turnover gets magnified. Plus, the guy is only like 33% from behind the arc. The guy is really immature too...
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#25 » by floppymoose » Mon May 24, 2010 9:17 pm

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Fred Williamson wrote:An Ellis+Jax backcourt gives you the most inefficient scoring you've ever seen.

You mean except for the part where Ellis shot over 50%fg with 20ppg scoring back before he was asked to carry a terrible team?

Monta averaged nearly 4 turnovers per game this season. And having a hot streak on the Golden State Warriors is like having to go to the bathroom -



Except in this case the "streak" is his entire career prior to this season. You chose the short part as the significant part and the career as the "streak".
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#26 » by DY_nasty » Tue May 25, 2010 12:09 am

floppymoose wrote:Except in this case the "streak" is his entire career prior to this season. You chose the short part as the significant part and the career as the "streak".

I like Monta. In 2008, he was a beast. But since then... I reserve judgement. Especially because of his team this year. He's a young player, so I'm not going to say that he's always going to put up those kinds of numbers for the rest of his career. Judging a younger player off of one good year, before a major injury for that matter, isn't something I like to do. He's also got the 'one good player surrounded by scrubs'-syndrome going on - If his stats weren't inflated by Nellie-ball before, they definitely were when he was surrounded by d-leaguers and asked to play 40+ per game. Its also pretty clear that GS overvalues him as well. Any sane team would've shipped him out for Mayo in a heartbeat.

He can't shoot the three, he can't defend, he can't distribute the ball. In what way would he help our team again? We've already got scoring with amazing efficiency from 15 ft and in by Wallace. Jack jacks up enough bad shots for the entire roster to feel content. Tyrus is our resident headcase. Adding Monta wouldn't do anything for this team, at least not with Larry Brown at the helm. If Larry were to leave however, I may have a different opinion.

Monta would be a great fit in a lot of places. Dallas, Phoenix, Houston, Indiana.... Just don't see how anything about him would help the current Bobcats squad lead by LB.
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#27 » by floppymoose » Tue May 25, 2010 9:34 am

DY_nasty wrote:Judging a younger player off of one good year[...]

Every year he played well, until his efficiency this year (and turnovers, but I'm lumping that under efficiency for our purposes). I don't understand why you are suggesting he only had one good year. He had one good career.

DY_nasty wrote:He can't shoot the three, he can't defend, he can't distribute the ball.

He can shoot the three reasonably well - that was added this season. He defends fine. He's undersized, sure, but he defended Kobe, Durant, Roy all season long and had standout defensive performances against each of them. I would agree that he isn't really a good distributor, though he is improving. His turnovers were mostly from him driving into trouble, rather than from passing mistakes. He had 3.9 assists per bad pass. Steve Nash had 3.8. On a Larry Brown team, there is no way he would be trying to carry the team offensively. Brown wouldn't allow that. He would go back to be a 18-20ppg scorer with very good efficiency, an increasingly potent outside shot, good defense, and decent rebounding for a small. And he would instantly turn every fast break you have into a nightmare for the other team.
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#28 » by Tupik » Tue May 25, 2010 3:43 pm

I'm actually in favor of a trade bringing us Ellis, we need to shake things up, and he could finally bring that spark to our offense. I think our system would hide his defensive flaws and would reduce his turnovers.
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#29 » by truthbtold21 » Tue May 25, 2010 6:28 pm

BRING HIM IN........ BRING HIM IN, just the thought of a monta, gforce, and TT fast break gives me chills
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#30 » by toddlincoln » Wed May 26, 2010 12:23 am

DY_nasty wrote:On the bright side, if we had Jackson and Ellis both jacking up 45+ shots on any given night, Gerald would be the first 6'7 guy to average 17+ rebounds per game.


Looks like someone forgot about Dennis Rodman (unless this is a joke that went over my head)
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#31 » by Jaruff » Wed May 26, 2010 1:03 am

Like I said earlier, trade for Monta so we can ship him off to Memphis.

Mayo + Thabeet + someone else (what Memphis offered to Golden State) > Monta
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Post#33 » by floppymoose » Thu May 27, 2010 7:21 pm

umm, no?
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#34 » by Rich4114 » Thu May 27, 2010 11:48 pm

I wouldn't mind OJ Mayo on this team. Could we use him to run PG?
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#35 » by Jaruff » Fri May 28, 2010 12:26 am

I dunno, I believe that Memphis is planning to play him as a PG in the Summer League this year. Even if Mayo can't play the point, Jackson could move to SF and Wallace to PF.
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#36 » by Paydro70 » Fri May 28, 2010 1:23 am

What motivation would Minnesota possibly have for trading Mayo? He's young, talented, and cheap. Unless we're giving them Wallace, that's pretty bizarre.
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#37 » by SWedd523 » Fri May 28, 2010 2:14 am

Paydro70 wrote:What motivation would Minnesota possibly have for trading Mayo? He's young, talented, and cheap. Unless we're giving them Wallace, that's pretty bizarre.

Absolutely none. He plays for Memphis :wink: I'm also opposed to Crash playing the 4 spot. If you bring a guy like Mayo in then Jack or Crash would have to be on their way out.




wiretap says Monta bought a house in Memphis, so maybe they've already brought the deal back to the table
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#38 » by truthbtold21 » Fri May 28, 2010 2:03 pm

We need to do something our team is not good enough at this moment to make any kind of playoff run next year without an upgrade.
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Re: Trade Proposal With Warriors 

Post#39 » by floppymoose » Fri May 28, 2010 7:00 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:wiretap says Monta bought a house in Memphis, so maybe they've already brought the deal back to the table


I suspect it's because Memphis is fairly close to home, and that his fiancee is from Memphis. Of course, it wouldn't surprise me if he wanted to play there for the same reasons, but I don't think the house is a sign of anything currently in the works. ...other than marriage.

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