ATL/ DAL

[FCNATL85]

Do you think this would work?
trade 1.
ATL sends to DAL Bibby/ Smith/ #24 for Haywood (3x8 S&T)/ Terry/ cash (3 mil)
trade 2
ATL signs and trade Childress (3X5M) + rights to Gladyr for Vujacic + LAL 2nd
trade 3
ATL moves up by packaging LAL 2nd and ATL 2nd to move in early 2nd (NJ, SAC or GS) or late 1st (WAS) to target a big man like Gallon, Seraphin or eventually Alabi to add to our big man repertoire (Howard's match ups)
move 4
resign JJ
move 5
not to mention the coach (hopefully soon), let go Mario, Joe Smith, Collins
either resign Morris or sign Kwame at minimum (or Hotello Hunter)

Teague- JC- FA? or JT
JJ- JT- Vujacic
Marv- Mo? or FA (Outlaw)
Al - Zaza -Gallon (or Seraphin)
Haywood- Kwame- Gallon (or Seraphin)

This accomplished a couple of key things. Getting rid of Smoothe and especially Bibby who played below what could be expected in the PO (and also for the second getting rid of an aging player with little for team comes PO time unless used off the bench which remains a huge ? mark).
Resigning Joe and moving Al to PF position whee he should strive.
Getting something back for Chill and getting big bodies to counter play (or slow down Dwight H).
This also give us some punch of the bench with JT and JC.
Thoughts?

[#1 pick]

Hell no. That's an awful trade. How about this Dirk SnT for Bibby, Crawford, and TPE?

[FCNATL85]

Obviously trade and moves in no specific order as trade 1 and move 4 (once we have a coach) would come first...

[FCNATL85]

Hell no. That's an awful trade. How about this Dirk SnT for Bibby, Crawford, and TPE?

Why is it awful? It is ealistic..at least I think.
Bib and Crawford would only make 15M and Dirk walked away from a 19M? Why Bib and Crawford for DAL when they already have Kidd and JT?
As far as ATL is concern, stronger starting 5 but weaker bench with less room to attract contributors of the bench. Your trade even make it harder to resign JJ. That also leave a hole and put a lot of pressure on Teague at PG.

Teague- FA? (Crinttenton cheap)
JJ- #24 (Warren, White, Stephenson, Bledsoe?)
Dirk- Marv
Smoothe- Dirk-Zaza
Al- Zaza

[evildallas]

You can't mix your draft picks and S&T. A sign and trade can't happen until July, a couple weeks after the draft. So that part isn't realistic.

As for your various moves:
#1 JT wasn't happy with the Hawks and after all these years I'm not sure he's gotten over it. I see him as a duplicate of Crawford in terms of skill set (good offense, not much on defense). The playoff fizzle has actually started rumors that Dallas might not resign Haywood. Not sure if these are true, but it would be worth a check in July to see if he could be had with the MLE before giving up Josh Smith in a trade. I see you are dumping Bibby in the deal, but giving up our pick and Josh to do it seems to be too high of price given the return.
#2 Hate this deal. Basically it is giving Childress away for a long distance shooter who plays little defense and has a questionable work ethic. Childress may never want to play for the Hawks again, but if we're holding on to his rights I'd hope to get something better back. On the bright side Sasha is expiring, but that is a very small bright side as we could just let Childress walk for nothing.
#3 Basically recover the pick sold in #1.
#4 Okay, but at what price? If this is resign Joe at the max I hate the move because I think it will cripple the Hawks down the road. If it is at 15M per year, then it isn't as bad.
#5 I was for taking a chance on Kwame when we signed Randolph Morris. Not anymore. His last 2 years in Detroit have left me with little interest in him.

The end lineup isn't horrible, but it's success is based on Al breaking out at the 4, Teague being ready at the 1, and Joe no longer stopping the ball on offense. You've loaded up on SG's so I guess the hope is that one of them will always be hot, but the lineup would still have defensive weaknesses. Furthermore, I would expect chemistry problems from all those SGs trying to co-exist. I do applaud the additional bulk up front in an attempt to match the Celtics formula against Orlando. I'm just not sure the talent is enough to get over the hump or the mix is right.

[saloonyk8]

I veto any trade with Lakers...I hate them too much.

Mavs can have JJ. All I want in return in Beaubois...you can keep Butler too. No thanks to any trade bringing JT back, just doesn't work here.

Haywood for MLE would be excellent offseason move for us. I'd throw a pick or Bibby/Marvin/Childress if it was needed to make a S&T work but never Smith/Horford.

[FCNATL85]

Thing is I do not see Chill bringing much back to the team and this would have a price tag. Having Vujacic and JCrawford expiring keep the door open for trades as they would be perceive as valuable complementary assets.
As far as our 3 SG, keep in mind that they can be spread from 1-3, opening up the middle for Al who I do beleive should become our 1-2 punch with Joe. Adding offensive talent around the perimeter could not hurt.
I was really disappointed with bibby and Smoothe in the PO. One is too old, the other cannot really play inside and drive the ball during PO ball as he does in the regular season. Hence the motivation for the move.
Would it work if you split the 1st in 2:
move 24 for cash then later S&T?

[geeman]

I veto any trade with Lakers...I hate them too much.

Mavs can have JJ. All I want in return in Beaubois...you can keep Butler too. No thanks to any trade bringing JT back, just doesn't work here.

Haywood for MLE would be excellent offseason move for us. I'd throw a pick or Bibby/Marvin/Childress if it was needed to make a S&T work but never Smith/Horford.

Can I just add I couldn't of said it better!!!!

[geeman]

Thing is I do not see Chill bringing much back to the team and this would have a price tag. Having Vujacic and JCrawford expiring keep the door open for trades as they would be perceive as valuable complementary assets.
As far as our 3 SG, keep in mind that they can be spread from 1-3, opening up the middle for Al who I do beleive should become our 1-2 punch with Joe. Adding offensive talent around the perimeter could not hurt.
I was really disappointed with bibby and Smoothe in the PO. One is too old, the other cannot really play inside and drive the ball during PO ball as he does in the regular season. Hence the motivation for the move.
Would it work if you split the 1st in 2:
move 24 for cash then later S&T?

I don't understand! Bibby ok he's old for his age. but Josh, I don't know what playoff you were seeing
other than him showing emotion. I thought he was one of the bright spots.

[HoopsGuru25]

Smith played well in the playoffs but the only thing people remember are the play where Lewis out hustled him for that offensive rebound and when he walked back on defense during that 4th quarter meltdown in game 2. The problem is that the entire team had given up by that point but Smith seems to get singled out because he just looks more frustrated than others when things go wrong. That makes him an easy target.

[Grover]

With finances a major concern and no clear way to see this team competing for a championship as currently constructed, I'd blow it up by trading Johnson to Dallas for Dampier's "dust chip", Beaubois, the rights to Nivins and Calathes, Stevenson's expiring, several picks and cash. I'd look to move Bibby for multiple expirings, a pick and cash and trade one of your two starting power forwards for a legitimate center. On free agency I'd wait out the market and pluck a few vets on minimum contracts while leaving some cap room for a one-sided deal after the season begins. It ain't pretty but aside from his analysis of Smith's lack of hustle Hubie Brown's comments were spot on.