The LeBron Thread

[Bigmo5246]

Your'e still a couple million short of a max contact with that package. And why would the Raptors take Hinrich when they have Calderon? They are going to pay $18 million to another point guard when they have tons of money committed to Calderon?

They are going to pay $18 million to Hinrich just so they can get Taj Gibson and James Johnson? And they're trading their best player and taking crap in the process? It's not happening.

But the real reason the Bulls will never S&T for Bosh is that the Knicks can beat their offer if need be.

If Lee agrees to go to Toronto, it's over.

If not, we will take back Calderon or even Hedo if we have to block you and it means LeBron + Bosh for us and keeping those two from the Bulls. We can include Eddy Curry and take either of those contracts from the Raptors. Yes we will.

There's really no chess pieces that the Bulls have to beat the Knicks' offer. Noah is not going to be enough IMO because he is only under contract one more year and he's not so valuable that someone will take a bad contract for him, especially while trading Bosh. Again, I doubt they swallow even Hinrich unless they're dumping Calderon.

But truthfully, this Bosh S&T is overstated anyway. If he wants the Knicks, there's just as good a chance that he'll just sign with the Knicks and have an opt-out after 3 to re-negotiate. No big deal.

No, the Bulls aren't short. Hinrich, Johnson, Taj and the pick is more than enough to allow max cap space. Look it up.

You overstate Hinrich's contract so badly it's ridiculous.

He's on a descending contract with two years left. He's always been a very good starting PG who has been playing SG. The Lakers wanted him last trading deadline and another playoff team will gladly take him off Toronto's hands if they don't want to keep him next year.

And you keep writing $18 million (actually $17 million) as if he's not a nice expiring contract one year from now. Nice try there.

Look at the history of sign and trades. The Bulls offer is way more than the typical deal. In the end, it's going to be Bosh who makes the decision with Toronto getting whatever they can. That's why in sign/trades the team giving up the best player always gets screwed. Toronto has almost zero leverage.

I'm just showing you if Bosh wants to play with Lebron, he can go to Chicago and also play with Rose and Noah. NY can't beat that.

The question is: why would Bosh want to go to NY when he can go to Chicago and also play with Rose and Noah?

What I don't understand with Bulls fans is why everybody feels that Noah is somebody who everyone wants to play with. I can't take away that Rose is a marvelous player, but Noah isn't a guy who is a one of a kind player. If Lebron and Bosh sign with the Knicks, we can easily find someone else like Noah, a big that can score and hustle like he does. It bothers me so much when people think that Noah is such a great player that people like Lebron and Bosh would love to have.

[Bulls69]

Also Thibodeau preference is the Bulls coaching job but let's see how the dice rolls come July 1st.l

[Bigmo5246]

Also Thibodeau preference is the Bulls coaching job but let's see how the dice rolls come July 1st.l

umm yeah, If I was Lebron, I'd much rather play with D'Antoni than Thibodeau. And it isn't a guarantee that getting Thibodeau gets you Lebron

[Bulls69]

Your'e still a couple million short of a max contact with that package. And why would the Raptors take Hinrich when they have Calderon? They are going to pay $18 million to another point guard when they have tons of money committed to Calderon?

They are going to pay $18 million to Hinrich just so they can get Taj Gibson and James Johnson? And they're trading their best player and taking crap in the process? It's not happening.

But the real reason the Bulls will never S&T for Bosh is that the Knicks can beat their offer if need be.

If Lee agrees to go to Toronto, it's over.

If not, we will take back Calderon or even Hedo if we have to block you and it means LeBron + Bosh for us and keeping those two from the Bulls. We can include Eddy Curry and take either of those contracts from the Raptors. Yes we will.

There's really no chess pieces that the Bulls have to beat the Knicks' offer. Noah is not going to be enough IMO because he is only under contract one more year and he's not so valuable that someone will take a bad contract for him, especially while trading Bosh. Again, I doubt they swallow even Hinrich unless they're dumping Calderon.

But truthfully, this Bosh S&T is overstated anyway. If he wants the Knicks, there's just as good a chance that he'll just sign with the Knicks and have an opt-out after 3 to re-negotiate. No big deal.

No, the Bulls aren't short. Hinrich, Johnson, Taj and the pick is more than enough to allow max cap space. Look it up.

You overstate Hinrich's contract so badly it's ridiculous.

He's on a descending contract with two years left. He's always been a very good starting PG who has been playing SG. The Lakers wanted him last trading deadline and another playoff team will gladly take him off Toronto's hands if they don't want to keep him next year.

And you keep writing $18 million (actually $17 million) as if he's not a nice expiring contract one year from now. Nice try there.

Look at the history of sign and trades. The Bulls offer is way more than the typical deal. In the end, it's going to be Bosh who makes the decision with Toronto getting whatever they can. That's why in sign/trades the team giving up the best player always gets screwed. Toronto has almost zero leverage.

I'm just showing you if Bosh wants to play with Lebron, he can go to Chicago and also play with Rose and Noah. NY can't beat that.

The question is: why would Bosh want to go to NY when he can go to Chicago and also play with Rose and Noah?

What I don't understand with Bulls fans is why everybody feels that Noah is somebody who everyone wants to play with. I can't take away that Rose is a marvelous player, but Noah isn't a guy who is a one of a kind player. If Lebron and Bosh sign with the Knicks, we can easily find someone else like Noah, a big that can score and hustle like he does. It bothers me so much when people think that Noah is such a great player that people like Lebron and Bosh would love to have.

The same way Knicks fans feels like everyone wants to play with Gallo.

[Bigmo5246]

Gallo actually has potential to do big things in this league. He has gained respect all over the league from some of the biggest players and is known to be complementary to Lebron's and Bosh's play. What has Noah done??

[Bulls69]

Anyone see the wiretap: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... icago_job/

Thibodeau has signed with World Wide Wes who is connected with Lebron.

It's just...interesting.

You also have to wonder about what Lebron thinks about the NY's coach's stance on defense.

Well, for one, the idea that D'antoni "doesn't care about defense" is false. The very first practice of the season was totally devoted to defense. Most of the rotation moves he made this season were based on defense, and not crap like FG%.

Also, Lebron's comments about defense:


James, who dismissed a question about joining the Knicks next season, was asked if he could play for a team that didn’t care about defense.

“I’m a winner. I just want to win,” he said. “I’ve yet to play for a team that doesn’t like defense, but that’s not about the team, it’s about individuals first. Individuals have to want the responsibility to guard the guy in front of them and then it makes it a lot easier as a team.”

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35654776/ns/sports-nba/

Jared Jeffries said the exact same thing, saying that it's simply the apathetic nature and low BBIQ of our expiring players that led to our poor defense this season.

Not true I remember reading, unnamed Knicks players laugh when they were asked if they practice defense in practice. The main reason Mike was let go in PHX because Steve Kerr who has 4 rings told Mike he must preach defense that's when they had a fall out.

[Striders]

Not true I remember reading, unnamed Knicks players laugh when they were asked if they practice defense in practice. The main reason Mike was let go in PHX because Steve Kerr who has 4 rings told Mike he must preach defense that's when they had a fall out.

1. How the fudge are you going to say, "Not true" when I just gave you an example of Mike D focusing on defense, and him constantly talking about how defense was the key to a winning season?

2. Context of that article wasn't given. Didn't you find it strange how players didn't further talk about D'antoni's attitude on defense? You would THINK that they would give more specifics. For all we know, they could be laughing as to say, "Of course he does." Shoot, we don't even know WHICH Knick he interviewed. It could be a bitter dude like Darko. Isola likes to create drama.

Seriously, leave if you're not going to check your facts.

[K_ick_God]

Man, it's called context.

This is in the third paragraph, spelling it out: "If Rose had talked to James or anyone else, he wasn't saying."

Clearly, Rose was laughing off Lebron staying at his house.

There is nothing in this piece at all.

Yeah and there was a report where Bosh laughed off the question of will he sign with the Knicks. They are just laughing at the hype this free agency is getting.

He then was asked the question and denied it. Thats a fact. Everything else is speculation on our points.

He was asked if he has talked to LeBron and he said no lol.

lol ... we're in denial huh?

And it looks like either they did not talk, or they did not talk about LeBron joining the Bulls.

I really have always felt this Bulls thing is junk. And Derrick is coming very close to confirming that.

Thanks Derrick.

[nyknicks2k2]

Only if you discount half the game.

Hinrich has always had top shelf defense which is why he's been asked -- for the vast majority of his career -- to defend bigger SGs (and now play SG) as we've always had a small backcourt.

Yes, he was and is a good starting PG. And yes he's overpaid about $2M a year.

The Rashard comment was based on Knicksgod's comments not you. I'm not baiting. I'm trying hard to get a real discussion here.

The little snide comments aren't going to be allowed. We have enough issues without people trying to throw them out there.

As for the rest of the post, I guess we should just agree to disagree. I don't know what makes Hinrich a very good starting PG (and yes, I am counting defense). I never saw it. From what I remember, Bulls fans never did either.

[Bulls69]

Only if you discount half the game.

Hinrich has always had top shelf defense which is why he's been asked -- for the vast majority of his career -- to defend bigger SGs (and now play SG) as we've always had a small backcourt.

Yes, he was and is a good starting PG. And yes he's overpaid about $2M a year.

The Rashard comment was based on Knicksgod's comments not you. I'm not baiting. I'm trying hard to get a real discussion here.

The little snide comments aren't going to be allowed. We have enough issues without people trying to throw them out there.

As for the rest of the post, I guess we should just agree to disagree. I don't know what makes Hinrich a very good starting PG (and yes, I am counting defense). I never saw it. From what I remember, Bulls fans never did either.

I'm not a big Kirk fan either but his contract is the only thing he has going for him.

[Bulls69]

Gallo actually has potential to do big things in this league. He has gained respect all over the league from some of the biggest players and is known to be complementary to Lebron's and Bosh's play. What has Noah done??

Heck Gerald Green, had potential Noah game had grown over the past couple of year he good shot blocker and rebounder. You don't think Noah has respect all over the NBA more then Gallo has now.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Gallo actually has potential to do big things in this league. He has gained respect all over the league from some of the biggest players and is known to be complementary to Lebron's and Bosh's play. What has Noah done??

Heck Gerald Green, had potential Noah game had grown over the past couple of year he good shot blocker and rebounder. You don't think Noah has respect all over the NBA more then Gallo has now.

Gerald Green had potential that he was never able to tap into. He was never anything more than a freak athlete. Gallo has SO much more going for him than Gallinari...so please, don't even compare the two. You don't think Gallo has gotten respect from players around the league? Dirk gave him respect saying he is more advanced that he was at that same age. He also said that Gallinari has a bright future ahead of him. Melo gave him A LOT of respect after going toe to toe with him at the Garden...you gotta read up my man before you say that Gallinari hasn't received as much respect as Noah. I don't see players going out of their way to say things about Noah...

[DLTGWH]

Only if you discount half the game.

Hinrich has always had top shelf defense which is why he's been asked -- for the vast majority of his career -- to defend bigger SGs (and now play SG) as we've always had a small backcourt.

Yes, he was and is a good starting PG. And yes he's overpaid about $2M a year.

The Rashard comment was based on Knicksgod's comments not you. I'm not baiting. I'm trying hard to get a real discussion here.

The little snide comments aren't going to be allowed. We have enough issues without people trying to throw them out there.

As for the rest of the post, I guess we should just agree to disagree. I don't know what makes Hinrich a very good starting PG (and yes, I am counting defense). I never saw it. From what I remember, Bulls fans never did either.

On what planet is. inrichs contact (2 years 17mil) a good thing? Knicks had to add a 1st round pick and Hill just to clear jeffries who had 1 and a half years remaining for 14 mil. And please don't say hinrich is a better player than jeffries. Neither are any good.

[K_ick_God]

To sum up the day's news ...

I like Derrick Rose's denial of anything going on with LeBron, which he repeated twice by the way -- and even a Bulls fan said that Derrick is very honest with the media and doesn't give untrue answers.

And what Falk said today is absolutely true and will certainly be a major obstacle to him joining the Bulls if it isn't already a deal-breaker. One or more people in LeBron's inner circle and LeBron himself may very well share Falk's opinion.

But I also think that Rose is more or less telling us that Broussard and ESPN are running with a story that has no foundation in reality.

Good Saturday

[K_ick_God]

On what planet is. inrichs contact (2 years 17mil) a good thing? Knicks had to add a 1st round pick and Hill just to clear jeffries who had 1 and a half years remaining for 14 mil.

Exactly. Look at the price of clearing Jeffries who had only about $10M left. And the Knicks had to do the pick swap too which you didn't mention.

So now they want the Raptors to accept a much worse contract WHILE they're trading their best player in Bosh and all just so the Raptors can get back Taj Gibson who is not the prospect that Jordan Hill is?

Not happening.

[ITGM]

When asked if he feels the Knicks are the favorite to sign LeBron, Wesley smiled and said: "Barack Obama could use Donnie Walsh to clear salary-cap space for the country."

[nykgeneralmanager]

When is that quote from? Don't remember reading that in the past.

[ITGM]

When is that quote from? Don't remember reading that in the past.

It's an old quote from two years back.

When asked during Wednesday's Knicks-Pistons game at Auburn Hills if he feels the Knicks are the favorite to sign LeBron in two years, Wesley smiled and said: "Barack Obama could use Donnie Walsh to clear salary-cap space for the country."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... z0pM0PaNxf

[nyknicks2k2]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post ... 25367&cp=2

[Betta Bulleavit]

Gallo actually has potential to do big things in this league. He has gained respect all over the league from some of the biggest players and is known to be complementary to Lebron's and Bosh's play. What has Noah done??

Heck Gerald Green, had potential Noah game had grown over the past couple of year he good shot blocker and rebounder. You don't think Noah has respect all over the NBA more then Gallo has now.

Gerald Green had potential that he was never able to tap into. He was never anything more than a freak athlete. Gallo has SO much more going for him than Gallinari...so please, don't even compare the two. You don't think Gallo has gotten respect from players around the league? Dirk gave him respect saying he is more advanced that he was at that same age. He also said that Gallinari has a bright future ahead of him. Melo gave him A LOT of respect after going toe to toe with him at the Garden...you gotta read up my man before you say that Gallinari hasn't received as much respect as Noah. I don't see players going out of their way to say things about Noah...

These are the types of things that happen when you are trying to support an argument that doesnt make a damn bit of sense to begin with. Noah is more respected in this league than Gallo because Noah has flat out proven more. Please...talk to everyone when Gallo proves something when it counts.....in the playoffs. You guys are sucking on the Gallo juice way too hard in my honest opinion. I mean...I like the guy's potential too. But as it currently stands, thats all that Gallo is..potential. Until he proves something, he is nothing. I remember when a prime Shaq had the best things to say about Eddie back when he was with the Bulls. Even went as far as to say that Eddie would be a top 3 center in the league. Now you tell me how that one is working out.

I know I know...the truth can taste nasty as hell sometimes, but it is often a necessary evil. And I will say it again...I will be the first person to come to this board and grab my slice of crow pie when Gallo turns into everything that you guys say he is gonna be. I hope the guy becomes a star. Id love to see our two teams doing battle again in the playoffs. But I just cant but into the Gallo hype at this point.