2010 NBA Draft Measurements

[HtownPA]

This is insane. The guy puts on 20 lbs of fat in 2 month and he hasn't even gotten his big payday yet.
I said the same thing about Sweetney, Curry, Darko, when they got drafted. How can you look at a player, not take into account if they will do the work to perform on the next level?

Curry will be out of shape and injured in the first month of the season.
Oden will come in out of shape and get injured by February.
Cousins will come in out of shape and get injured by February.

Favors will be in great shape at the start of the season and play 75+ games.

[Zeitgeister]

This is insane. The guy puts on 20 lbs of fat in 2 month and he hasn't even gotten his big payday yet.
I said the same thing about Sweetney, Curry, Darko, when they got drafted. How can you look at a player, not take into account if they will do the work to perform on the next level?

Curry will be out of shape and injured in the first month of the season.
Oden will come in out of shape and get injured by February.
Cousins will come in out of shape and get injured by February.

Favors will be in great shape at the start of the season and play 75+ games.

i listed weight was wrong, he's weighed this much all year.

[HtownPA]

Look at the image from the March 25th game against Cornell and compare it to the image 8 weeks later.
It's clear that he gained weight and gave up on conditioning.

[AQuintus]

Look at the image from the March 25th game against Cornell and compare it to the image 8 weeks later.
It's clear that he gained weight and gave up on conditioning.

How is that clear at all? He looks the same to me.

And on top of that, you've managed to completely ignore this post from the other thread:

As stated here he's been 290+ all season
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn5LSbf7lZA

[mid-post]

Look at the image from the March 25th game against Cornell and compare it to the image 8 weeks later.
It's clear that he gained weight and gave up on conditioning.

How is that clear at all? He looks the same to me.

And on top of that, you've managed to completely ignore this post from the other thread:

As stated here he's been 290+ all season
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn5LSbf7lZA

Maybe he was being sarcastic?

[HtownPA]

Look at the image from the March 25th game against Cornell and compare it to the image 8 weeks later.
It's clear that he gained weight and gave up on conditioning.

How is that clear at all? He looks the same to me.

And on top of that, you've managed to completely ignore this post from the other thread:

As stated here he's been 290+ all season
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn5LSbf7lZA

He looks heavier.

That video is confusing. He says that he is now eating a salad and seafood diet and he is now 290 lbs. Is he saying he is on a new diet and is down to 290?

A minute later, he says he always been 290 lbs? It doesn't make sense.

[AQuintus]

He looks heavier.

I still don't see it. The biggest difference between the two is that at the combine he was wearing baggier clothes and puffin out his cheeks.

That video is confusing. He says that he is now eating a salad and seafood diet and he is now 290 lbs. Is he saying he is on a new diet and is down to 290?

A minute later, he says he always been 290 lbs? It doesn't make sense.

Not much to it. He said at the combine he was around 290 and during the season he was around 294-295. I'm no math whiz, but the last I checked 290 was still less than 295.

He also states that he's more defined, which very well may be true. For all we know, he could have been around 295 pounds and 18-20% body fat during the season and cut down to 292 and 16% body fat.

I'll also post this here:

Circus show around DeMarcus Cousins at NBA Combine media day. Came out very quiet. Clearly lost weight. http://tweetphoto.com/23214274
2010-05-20 14:20:05

Now seeing as Jon G is the only one of the three of us who has both seen Cousins live during the season and at the combine, I think I'll trust his opinion.

[vincecarter4pres]

I just can't come to grips with the fact he doesn't lift weights. He's a professional athlete, how does he not lift weights?! His conditioning is obviously terrible as well. 16% body fat is absolutely terrible for a professional level basketball player. He has no work ethic, there's just no getting around it.

[mid-post]

I just can't come to grips with the fact he doesn't lift weights. He's a professional athlete, how does he not lift weights?! His conditioning is obviously terrible as well. 16% body fat is absolutely terrible for a professional level basketball player. He has no work ethic, there's just no getting around it.

You could be right about him not having a work ethic, but there might be a (difficult to defend) rationale behind his decision.
Maybe he never needed to lift weights before? Maybe he's worried how it will affect his game?
Herschel Walker claimed he never lifted weights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker. Although, who knows, maybe he would have been a lot better if he had.
I don't think the fact that he "doesn't lift weights" is too important anymore; he'll be lifting plenty when he gets to the NBA.
In my mind, there's an upside and a downside to the fact that he hasn't lifted weights before. The potential upside is that he'll be adding lean muscle mass, which theoretically should make him stronger and more explosive. It will also reduce his body fat %. The potential downside is that his game/body may respond...unexpectedly to the weight training regimen, in such a way as to negatively affect his coordination/skills.

[mattg]

I just can't come to grips with the fact he doesn't lift weights. He's a professional athlete, how does he not lift weights?! His conditioning is obviously terrible as well. 16% body fat is absolutely terrible for a professional level basketball player. He has no work ethic, there's just no getting around it.

he obviously never needed to lift before to dominate. and to that fact that a lot of developing players **** their jumper up because of lifting too much and it's not too hard to see why he didn't lift. why waste time trying to get stronger when you're already the strongest player in the NCAA as a high schooler?

[vincecarter4pres]

You don't just lift weights to get bigger, you lift them to maximize the strength you have in proportion to your size and weight and to help condition you for stamina and endurance, to give you more explosion and make you faster and more efficient.

What does messing up your jumper have to do with it anyway? He's a center or arguably a power forward and although having a jumper is nice, it's not as important as the other things, really just an irrelevant point.

He has never lifted weights before because he is skating by on natural talents and size advantage, because he's lazy and complacent, satisfied with his current ability and results.
That's not going to cut it on the next level. The competition is faster, stronger, more skilled and in general has a higher passion level and desire.

I think he has enormous potential, but the question still remains, does he have the drive and desire to be all he can, or will he be satisfied just getting by on his god given talents and being a rich, fat slob that plays limited minutes, is oft injured and foul prone?

He's in line for a rude awakening at the next level if that's the case and all things are pointing towards that being the likely outcome.